The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[Gianakin_]

My fave Hulk-out is in TIH, where Bruce is strapped on Sterns' lab.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm not sure why they can't still have elements of the transformation from the Bill Bixby show. That has more suspense for what it doesn't show. At the moment the transformations still look a bit like he's just being computer morphed from one state to another. Maybe they need to slow some of it down too and not have it look so fluid. We should get a sense of muscles really growing and ripping out of his clothes. They could show bits of his shirt ripping in places like the old show. I also wish they still had the flaring white/ green eyes and the eerie music.

The first transformation in the rain from the TV movie beats all other transformations IMO.

 

[Fifthchild]

It's almost like the Ang Lee Hulk has no skin texture. He looks like a really crude 3d model now. Almost something unfinished that is just used to figure out the animation, not the final product. Or if not that, he looks like he belongs in an animated movie.

Thats a pretty blurry shot thats being used of 2003 Hulk. IN Hi resolution he actually looks really good and he definitely has pores.


Heres another shot thats probably more representative of how he looks a lot of the time in the movie:

Not perfect. But not bad.

The thing is Lee wanted a very, very vibrant shade of green that didnt really help the Hulk to blend into anything. It gave ILM a lot of grief and apparently they would often turn their monitors to B&W and marvel at how much more real the Hulk looked.

One of the best shots:

and

etc:

Of course there were a lot that didnt look that great at all.

 

[Fifthchild]

It seems that, when it comes to recommendations for Hulk comics, Peter David's run and Planet Hulk tend to always be the undisputed front runners. It's a shame, but it seems like The Hulk doesn't quite have the classic comics back catalogue to match his iconic status.

Well depends what you like. I think for pretty much any mainstream character: Hulk, Thor, Spidey, Superman, Batman most of what has been written about them doesnt really stand up to scrutiny as an adult reader if you arent already a fan. If you dont mind that sort of stuff there a ton of Stan Lee older stuff while the character was evolving and changing and a bunch of Banner on the run/rampaging Hulk stuff from the 70s. Which is fine but it can be a bit tiring.

I remember when I was a kid, I got a whole bunch of 90s Hulk comics in back issue stores. There, he was depicted as having the intelligence and personality of Bruce Banner, but in The Hulk's body. And Rhino - a villain I'm very fond of - seemed to show up in quite a few of the stories. I remember enjoying those.

Dont know about the Rhino but if its the 90s that would be the Merged Hulk from Peter David's run. Subtle but important difference was that his personality was actually a combination of Banner and the Hulks.

I actually have high hopes for Jason Aaron's current run on The Incredible Hulk. It's not there yet - the series has been hampered with some murky art - but Jason Aaron is one of the best writers around, with his Scalped a true comics masterpiece. I think that with the right artist, and just a little nudge in momentum, this run could become something really special.

Havent read it yet but i'm optimistic and i like what i have heard. Get the feeling that the choppy and sometimes substandard art is putting a lot of people off.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Great shots of Ang's Hulk Fifthchild!

Honestly, I still maintain that Ang's Hulk, in terms of realistic CGI, kicked the crap out of TIH Hulk. The amount of detail that was present was astonishing, coupled with the fact that he actually looked photorealistic at many points. TIH's Hulk had a lot of design elements I liked better than Ang's Hulk (darker skin, a more brutish appearance), but in terms of realism he didn't cut it for me at all. The scene where he lands on campus and does his first roar (my avvy, ironically) made me shake my head.

 

[The Guard]

I agree that he needed Hulk and TIH to become the Avengers' Hulk story progression-wise, but I really didn't care for the character up until then. Too much focusing on his curse, not enough on the queally important part of Banner/Hulk: That he fights/hates/whatever the Hulk because when he transforms he loses his humanity, his life. When they don't show me this humanity and life, they've lost me.

In the previous movies, I was seeing a walking corspe, hard to get behind and feel for that. In the Avengers I saw a human being that fought.

I feel like maybe you weren't watching the Hulk movies very closely.

 

[terry78]

That shot from Ang Hulk where he's watching his wound regenerate was the one I thought was insanely photorealistic.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Gale Anne Herd, who produced both Hulk and TIH, said "We couldn't quite figure out how to term this ... It's kind of a reboot and it's kind of sequel."

I remember expecting more of a reboot before seeing TIH, and they did tweak the backstory (mainly by having Thunderbolt Ross at the experiment), but the connections were there:

*In the end of Hulk, Bruce is in the Amazon Rainforest. A lot of the AR is in Brazil. Where does TIH begin? Brazil..

Only at the end of Hulk, Banner is clearly speaking Spanish, and in TIH he's in Brazil where they speak Portuguese.

A minor nitpick really since it's not hard to travel from Spanish speaking to Portuguese speaking countries in South America.

I'd probably say that the change from Hulk back to Banner in 2003 is actually the best looking of all the transformation scenes. While we are at a stage where technology has pretty much nailed the creation and animation of a near photorealistic humanoid if you invest enough money/time I think you can still see the gaps in the transformation scenes - thats much harder. Though i hate it and most of the CGI work I also have to say the transformation scene in the lab from TIH was pretty well done for a "full frontal" shot.

Rewatched The Wolfman the other day and that has a terrific transformation scene when Del Toro is in the asylum. Apparently it took a lot of time and work. I dont think the transformation scenes in Avengers were given as high a priority.

what I thought was cool was the way the steam came off of him and he was soaking wet. That really sold the fact that he was losing so much mass.

I'm not sure why they can't still have elements of the transformation from the Bill Bixby show. That has more suspense for what it doesn't show. At the moment the transformations still look a bit like he's just being computer morphed from one state to another. Maybe they need to slow some of it down too and not have it look so fluid. We should get a sense of muscles really growing and ripping out of his clothes. They could show bits of his shirt ripping in places like the old show. I also wish they still had the flaring white/ green eyes and the eerie music.

The first transformation in the rain from the TV movie beats all other transformations IMO.

That's what I liked about the Hulk out in TIH where Banner is in the glass walkway and the military fires the gas cannisters into it. and you just see his eyes start to glow and then his hand and arm turn green and grow and his foot bust out of his shoe.

Also, they also need to have bear-tossing in the next movie, just like the TV show

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[Drummerdude7]

HAHAHAHA the bear toss.

Dead of laughter every time.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Also, they also need to have bear-tossing in the next movie, just like the TV show

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Seriously though, they could never do that in these days. PETA would be in an uproar, and I doubt Joss Whedon wants a bunch of naked girls to show up in front of his house protesting.

 

[CaptainCraig]

The only thing I've still yet to get for Hulk on film is a more talkative and interactive character.

Sigh, perhaps by Avengers 2.

 

[Dark Raven]

Seriously though, they could never do that in these days. PETA would be in an uproar, and I doubt Joss Whedon wants a bunch of naked girls to show up in front of his house protesting.

So that's how to get some naked girls to show up at one's house!!! t:

*Off to find a bear to toss*.

 

[TomPiltoff]

Seriously though, they could never do that in these days. PETA would be in an uproar, and I doubt Joss Whedon wants a bunch of naked girls to show up in front of his house protesting.

They didn't actually catapult a real bear, dude.

 

[Nathan]

Man Raven, your Avatar, there's like one frame that looks like it could belong to some Japanese horror movie sequence. o_o

 

[Drummerdude7]

So that's how to get some naked girls to show up at one's house!!! t:

*Off to find a bear to toss*.

 

[Iceman]

Ang Hulk's traps are way out of proportion!

 

[Pink Ranger]

They didn't actually catapult a real bear, dude.

Doesn't matter. PETA will protest any depiction of a physical aggression on an animal, even if it's on Family Guy, where nothing's real.

So that's how to get some naked girls to show up at one's house!!! t:

*Off to find a bear to toss*.

Tomorrow's headlines: Avengers enthusiast eaten alive by grizzly bear at local zoo

 

[Savage]

Ang Hulk's traps are way out of proportion!

His traps? His delts are bigger than his head. I just kinda figured that's what makes him Hulk. His hands and feet are ridiculous too. His look in The Incredible Hulk was the most proportionate but I find I like him more when he's a little deformed looking.

 

[Captainhulk]

Do you guys remember the comic-con when they did the Avengers line-up introductions and they booed Mark Ruffalo? I wonder how those people feel now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkINcovFxaY

 

[Fifthchild]

His traps? His delts are bigger than his head. I just kinda figured that's what makes him Hulk. His hands and feet are ridiculous too. His look in The Incredible Hulk was the most proportionate but I find I like him more when he's a little deformed looking.

Exactly. He's a monster. He has to be disproportionate or he's just a big green man. Giant hands, giant feet, massive upper body...

 

[LostSon88]

Do you guys remember the comic-con when they did the Avengers line-up introductions and they booed Mark Ruffalo? I wonder how those people feel now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkINcovFxaY

If they're like most fanboys, they'll simply play it off and act as if they supported him the whole time...

 

[Drummerdude7]

Do you guys remember the comic-con when they did the Avengers line-up introductions and they booed Mark Ruffalo? I wonder how those people feel now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkINcovFxaY

I cannot believe that...

 

[Dark Raven]

If they're like most fanboys, they'll simply play it off and act as if they supported him the whole time...

I think it would be quite easy for them to say they were booing Kevin Feige and his decision, and that it was nothing personal against Ruffalo.

 

[Drummerdude7]

I'll be honest when I say I was skeptical of Ruffalo, especially since I'm a big Ed Norton fan, as well as a stickler for continuity. In the end, Whedon and Marvel made the perfect choice; Ruffalo was the best Banner we've had on film, bar none.

 

[terry78]

Fans don't know what they want. I have learned that after years of being in this circle.