The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[Fifthchild]

So Norton came up with the whole schpiel about the gun and the hulk spitting the bullet out?

It was a direct lift from an out of continuity comic series called "Banner" by Brian Azarelloo. Came out around the time of the original Hulk movie.

 

[Roose Bolton]

"Banner" is perhaps the darkest, dare I say it, realistic Hulk story I've ever read. It's quite good

 

[Polux]

Pretty off-topic, but could any of the comics conoceurs suggest any great runs when it comes to Hulk comics?? (and to that effect, Thor, Ironman, Cap, Hawkeye and Avengers too??), I'm a huge fan of the movies and I've seen the cartoons when I was a kid, I "know of" many of the stories but rarely ever actually read the comics, so if you could point me in the right direction to get a better grasp of the characters, it would be much apreciated.

Thanx in advance.

Polux

 

[Roose Bolton]

Are you looking for something more modern or just all round great Hulk stories?

Peter David had a legendary run that lasted 12 years and is generally considered the definitive run on the character, among that I'd single out the stories "Ground Zero", "Future Imperfect", "Hulk:the end"
Probably the greatest modern Hulk story is "Planet Hulk" by Greg Pak,
Jeph Loeb's "Hulk:Gray" is another good story.
For the more older stories I'd probably recommend Bill Mantalo's great run, most notably "the crossroads saga."

 

[Polux]

Are you looking for something more modern or just all round great Hulk stories?

Peter David had a legendary run that lasted 12 years and is generally considered the definitive run on the character, among that I'd single out the stories "Ground Zero", "Future Imperfect", "Hulk:the end"
Probably the greatest modern Hulk story is "Planet Hulk" by Greg Pak,
Jeph Loeb's "Hulk:Gray" is another good story.
For the more older stories I'd probably recommend Bill Mantalo's great run, most notably "the crossroads saga."

Thanx dude! I was looking for all around great stories, but something that goes along with the character's current characterization; I heard from many people that Planet Hulk is great, I've been kinda iffy on that since I hated the movie (actually, I liked the movie, but the Hulk's characterization was complete inconsistent and didn't make sense at all to me), guess I'll have to check it out.

Thanx a lot again! Any word on any of the other avengers??


Polux

 

[Roose Bolton]

For Iron Man I'd recommend the "Demon in a bottle" storyline which is considered one of the best, but probably the best modern stories would be "Iron Man: extremis"
I'd also recommend the current "Invincible Iron Man" series by Matt Fraction, particularly " The Five Nightmares", "Worlds most Wanted" and "Stark: disassembled".

Thor I'd probably go with Walt Simonson's legendary run which is a huge saga,
"The Reigning" by Dan Jurgens, "Thor: ages of thunder" by Matt Fraction,
I'd also strongly recommend J.Michael Straczynski's run, which is not only one of the best Thor story's ever told but one of the best modern comic runs around.

Can't help you with Cap much, though from what I've read of Ed Brubakers run is pretty good, so that might be worth it.

 

[warcam]

One thing that I've been meaning ask is this:

In your guys' opinion, could you honestly see Ed having portrayed the Banner shown in TA, or Mark having portrayed the Banner shown in TIH?

Personally, i could see Mark in the role that was shown of the character in TIH, but I have the hardest time imagining Ed in the role shown of Banner in TA.

One scene that I can not picture Ed in is the one in the lab where Stark shocks Banner. I just have a hard time picturing Norton saying "Owww" and then laughing it off. Not saying he couldn't have or wouldn't have, but I have a hard time picturing it.

 

[Obi-Ron]

(though I prefer the Hulk's body in TIH over the pseudo-flabby Avengers body)

What the hell does that even mean?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah same here

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OK wtf ..... they will allow that scene in the video game, but Feige wouldn't allow it in the actual movie? So freakin' stupid.

 

[Nathan]

What the hell does that even mean?

Means he's been smoking some strong ****.

 

[Polux]

For Iron Man I'd recommend the "Demon in a bottle" storyline which is considered one of the best, but probably the best modern stories would be "Iron Man: extremis"
I'd also recommend the current "Invincible Iron Man" series by Matt Fraction, particularly " The Five Nightmares", "Worlds most Wanted" and "Stark: disassembled".

Thor I'd probably go with Walt Simonson's legendary run which is a huge saga,
"The Reigning" by Dan Jurgens, "Thor: ages of thunder" by Matt Fraction,
I'd also strongly recommend J.Michael Straczynski's run, which is not only one of the best Thor story's ever told but one of the best modern comic runs around.

Can't help you with Cap much, though from what I've read of Ed Brubakers run is pretty good, so that might be worth it.

Thanx a lot man!!!


Polux

 

[Doctor Jones]

I was flipping through Bruce Jones work of Hulk and just about every page has guns pointed in people head's or mouths, people popping pills, people with their heads down, people yelling, etc.

So just about the most depressing things possible.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Thanx a lot man!!!


Polux

For Cap I'd start with Brubakers Winter Soldier vol 1 and 2. I think they collected both in an Ultimate edition as well

For Hulk, you might try Incredible Hulk Visionaries - Peter David

Definitely try Simonsons Thor Visionaries, that run is legendary for a reason

 

[Fifthchild]

"Banner" is perhaps the darkest, dare I say it, realistic Hulk story I've ever read. It's quite good

Indeed it is very dark. People were getting full on pulped when that Hulk rampaged and he didnt really notice/care/understand. From memory he was one of the least intelligent Hulks but intelligent enough to make it a bit unsettling. The art wasn't in the standard comic style either. To be honest I didnt like it much at all mostly because it was part of the whole Bruce Jones/Axel Alonso zero continuity direction they were pushing at the time.

Peter David had a legendary run that lasted 12 years and is generally considered the definitive run on the character, among that I'd single out the stories "Ground Zero", "Future Imperfect", "Hulk:the end"
Probably the greatest modern Hulk story is "Planet Hulk" by Greg Pak,
Jeph Loeb's "Hulk:Gray" is another good story.
For the more older stories I'd probably recommend Bill Mantalo's great run, most notably "the crossroads saga."

Solid recommendations! I'd perhaps only throw in the Peter David "Countdown" story as a good stand alone storyline. Maybe "The Big Change" if you want some old school Savage Hulk fun.

For Iron Man I'd recommend the "Demon in a bottle" storyline which is considered one of the best, but probably the best modern stories would be "Iron Man: extremis"
I'd also recommend the current "Invincible Iron Man" series by Matt Fraction, particularly " The Five Nightmares", "Worlds most Wanted" and "Stark: disassembled".

Thor I'd probably go with Walt Simonson's legendary run which is a huge saga,
"The Reigning" by Dan Jurgens, "Thor: ages of thunder" by Matt Fraction,
I'd also strongly recommend J.Michael Straczynski's run, which is not only one of the best Thor story's ever told but one of the best modern comic runs around.

Again good choices. I'm not huge on Iron Man but I quite liked Hypervelocity and its well regarded by IM fans. Not as relelvant to the character as the Extremis storyline though. And yeah the JMS run from No 1 thru 600 (not as bad as it sounds ) is fantastic.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Pretty off-topic, but could any of the comics conoceurs suggest any great runs when it comes to Hulk comics?? (and to that effect, Thor, Ironman, Cap, Hawkeye and Avengers too??), I'm a huge fan of the movies and I've seen the cartoons when I was a kid, I "know of" many of the stories but rarely ever actually read the comics, so if you could point me in the right direction to get a better grasp of the characters, it would be much apreciated.

Thanx in advance.

Polux

In terms of Iron Man, Captain America and Thor:

IRON MAN:
People have recommended Extremis and Matt Fraction's run, both worthy enough choices (though Matt Fraction's run went downhill after the excellent World's Most Wanted. But in my humble opinion, by far the best recent Iron Man stuff is what came between Warren Ellis and Matt Fraction, the run of the Knaufs:

Civil War: Iron Man
Iron Man: Director of SHIELD
Haunted

A fantastic story arc, which owes as much to espionage thrillers as it does to the superhero genre.

CAPTAIN AMERICA:
All I've really read is Ed Brubaker's run, and even then I haven't been reading in the past couple of years. But the early part of the run, starting with Winter Soldier through The Death of Captain America, was pretty brilliant. I'd recommend picking up the Omnibus.

THOR:
J Michael Straczynski's run got me into Thor, but I think as great as that run was, it's dampened by the lacklustre end. It seems like JMS got bored and gave up writing the book, and Kieron Gillen had to come in and cobble together an ending from JMS' loose threads. Speaking of Gillen, his current run on Journey into Mystery, with Loki in the lead role, is in my opinion Marvel's best current book. My favourite Thor comic though, is a no-brainer:

Thor/Loki: Blood Brothers

Previously marketed just as Loki, this tells the "what if" story of Loki conquering Asgard and becoming its ruler, and the moral quandries he faces in the aftermath. It's a brilliant, sympathetic character study of Loki, and one of my favourite Marvel books ever.

 

[musterd]

Must be a regional thing, because at every viewing I've been to the cheers didn't come until the green guy did. You from Ruffalo's hometown?

I watched it in Singapore and the audience reacted very positively to Ruffalo right from his first 'what does Fury want me to do, swallow it?' joke. It's slightly amusing for me to see how people can attribute a performance to '70% writing' but in any case, we mustn't forget that Ruffalo, other than RDJ, spent the most time with Whedon in pre-production even before the script was written to sculpt an evolved Banner.

Ruffalo gives off a laid back vibe but he actually does have a reputation of intensely prepping for a role - very few people go through a Fincher film and actually say that his multiple-take approach was fantastic and rewarding. I did think he elevated the script with his acting in Avengers - love his delivery of lines in particular which has a distinctly different beat to other actors. He does have the advantage of having a very natural charm on screen but this doesn't mean he plays very similar roles. Just compare his roles in Zodiac, Kids Are Alright and Avengers: completely different but his onscreen presence is always impactful. I don't think it is a surprise that his performance has been singled out by critics as well.

It's great to have debate but just think it's weird that people are actively putting down either Ruffalo and Norton's performances when both actors have been very gracious to each other regarding recasting issue. I think both have brought brilliant stuff to the table and hopefully there will continue to be good writing for this this character.

 

[Obi-Ron]

After watching TA again yesterday, I'm wondering what happened to the group of Chitauri that were hammering the Hulk with death rays? There was a good size crowd teaming up against him...then seconds later we see the Hulk getting up (the "bloody nose" shot) and they were just gone.

 

[Golgo-13]

Maybe he thunder clapped 'em.

 

[Golgo-13]

One thing that I've been meaning ask is this:

In your guys' opinion, could you honestly see Ed having portrayed the Banner shown in TA, or Mark having portrayed the Banner shown in TIH?

Personally, i could see Mark in the role that was shown of the character in TIH, but I have the hardest time imagining Ed in the role shown of Banner in TA.

I love Ruffalos Banner over Nortons.....i can see Norton fitting into all the scenes in Avengers. I can't see Ruffalo fitting into all the scenes in TIH - most notably the foot chase scene in Brazil.

Also, i never got the sense that Norton was angry before any of his Hulk-outs, even the one in the bottling plant.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Maybe he thunder clapped 'em.

Give that man a No-Prize.

 

[darknight7]

Can anyone confirm what Banner/Hulk says while he transforms the first time in front of Black Widow.

I've seen it all 3 times and every time I hear "GET A LIFE" while BW is trying to calm down Banner, telling him "everything is going to be alright"

--dk7

 

[Herolee10]

Can anyone confirm what Banner/Hulk says while he transforms the first time in front of Black Widow.

I've seen it all 3 times and every time I hear "GET A LIFE" while BW is trying to calm down Banner, telling him "everything is going to be alright"

--dk7

I thought it was either "YOU'RE LIFE???" or "YOU LIE!!", but I'm inclined to say the first one.

 

[Savage]

I love Ruffalos Banner over Nortons.....i can see Norton fitting into all the scenes in Avengers. I can't see Ruffalo fitting into all the scenes in TIH - most notably the foot chase scene in Brazil.

Also, i never got the sense that Norton was angry before any of his Hulk-outs, even the one in the bottling plant.

Yeah, it would seem fear was always the trigger. At least for the bottling plant and Harlem hulkouts anyway. I think Betty being tackled genuinely pissed him off and sent him over the edge.

 

[Roose Bolton]

BW said that she "swears on her life" that everything will be okay.
Banner's response is:
"ON YOUR LIFE !"

 

[Savage]

I thought it was either "YOU'RE LIFE???" or "YOU LIE!!", but I'm inclined to say the first one.

It was definitely "On your life?" as if to say "Are you sure about that?".