The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - - Part 12

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I love the idea of starting the movie off with Spidey taking down miscellaneous villains, such as Shocker. That was how I always felt he should be introduced into a film. Not as a main villain, but just part of a cool action sequence to open the movie.

Agreed, Shocker would be perfect for an opening action scene and quick take down, don't know why more CBMs don't do it.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Some people think Shocker could be main villain lol.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Some people think Shocker could be main villain lol.

Na, he is too limited, as a movie opening though he would be perfect.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Rhino too.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't care that Spider-Man can easily dodge his shock wave and kick his face into unconsciousness, I'd love to see more of Shocker than just an opening fight.

And with a pudgy middle aged man with no super human strength managing to stay on top of a moving train and still survive a series powerful attacks from a guy who is somehow able to hold a wall and throw it without even a black eye or his shades falling and no one laughing at him being a main movie villain but instead he's taken seriously, I think the series can handle Shocker as the main baddie.

 

[Venom 1988]

Man I totally would have sacrificed the existence of ASM 1 and 2 for this movie.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Here's some official artwork for what would have been Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 made by Jeffrey Henderson.

http://movieweb.com/spider-man-4-concept-art-mysterio-bruce-campbell/

http://www.gamezone.com/news/here-s...d-have-looked-like-if-it-ever-existed-3437751

Whhhhhhhhy? My beloved organic webbing, lost forever.

 

[harryoscop]

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Man I totally would have sacrificed the existence of ASM 1 and 2 for this movie.

For that you would need to update the management of Sony Pictures with newer and more competent people, and I don't mean marginally.

Whhhhhhhhy? My beloved organic webbing, lost forever.

That's ok bro, at least you still have three movies with those.

 

[The Joker]

Man I totally would have sacrificed the existence of ASM 1 and 2 for this movie.

Ditto. Raimi could have gone out on the high note he wanted, too.

 

[BrollySupersj]

If they those bozos would have just given Raimi the time he needed.

That's ok bro, at least you still have three movies with those.

Yeah, but I want them to come back.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

If they those bozos would have just given Raimi the time he needed.

He didn't approve with their take, and they were blinded by the idea of money brought in by hip new ideas they lost touch with how to make a good movie and didn't allow the clever director to make things better despite the money he brought them in.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed. Rhino too.

I mean... we kind of got that. But as an extra bonus, he showed up to bookend things too. The artistry.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Whhhhhhhhy? My beloved organic webbing, lost forever.

You can create your own 'organic webbing'. Assuming you are a male.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Ah, one of those jokes.
Ha. Ha. Ha.

 

[DX]

I mean... we kind of got that.

No we didn't.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

You can create your own 'organic webbing'. Assuming you are a male.

Tell that to Stan.

No we didn't.

"SAY KULLO TO ALEKEI SETSEVEEECH, AAAHH-HHAAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA"

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Wow, Cliche Rhino ended an entire film franchise and now apparently a really good thread too? Sheesh. Just wanted to throw in a quick 'n' dirty very preliminary thought about these movies in.

The Raimi movies will always hold a special spot in my heart. I'm younger than probably a majority of the people who post in this thread, and was first introduced to Spidey by the 90s animated series, the early PS1 games, and then these movies. I didn't pick up a comic book until much later (Ultimate Spider-Man Ultimate Collection Hardback Vol. 1 at Books a Million--fell in love) and it wasn't until much more recently that I started picking up single issues (aside from a promotion Marvel ran right before Civil War in the mid-00s where they placed reprints of the first 20-or-so Stan & Steve classic issues in a local paper--loved those things!).

While I always loved watching the cartoon and it really captured my imagination, six-year-old me was STOKED when I first saw Spider-Man. It all seemed so real. I was sucked in, never to escape. The lore was so rich, the world so lived in, the characters so relatable and fleshed-out. Tobey Maguire WAS Spider-Man (although, even a preteen ItchyWebShooter didn't believe Tobey Maguire was in high school)!

I could wax nostalgia about these films all day--my dad and siblings and I used to sleep in the living room, eat ice cream, and watch Spider-Man whenever my mom was out of town. Spider-Man 2 is the first movie I ever remember being so excited to go see, and so awed and thrilled walking out of the theater. And even as Spider-Man 3 brought a close to my favorite film trilogy of all time, it sort of served as a close to my childhood--a chapter in my life.

These films were my favorite because I grew up watching them and Spider-Man was my favorite fictional character. These things remain true to this day. But as I've gotten older and started appreciating more of the technique and nuance of film and filmmaking, I've realized just what great examples of superhero cinema these films are--especially at the time they were released! Sam Raimi had a way with tracking shots, unique POVs, and a real sense of location in his scenes. There was never a boring shot in this series. And even as some of the CGI effects have become dated, 90% of the effects in these movies look as realistic as some of the big-budget blockbusters being released today. I'm sure that is in large part due to Raimi's affinity for using practical effects when possible, something I will never stop loving and respecting him for.

I'll never quite be able to fully divorce my feelings for these films from the memories I have of the joy they brought me--watching with friends, eagerly anticipating 3 with one of my closest friends to this day, playing all the video game tie-ins with many friends, etc.--so I'll never be completely impartial, but as distanced as I can get myself from all that; my feelings about these movies shift only marginally. I still enjoy the heck out of them, and I believe that I would if I'd just seen them for the first time a few weeks back.

Of course nothing is perfect. There are flaws in each of these, the most visible appearing in the much-derided Spider-Man 3, but there's a true sense of energy, of love for the characters pulsating throughout each--and I think that's what continues (and will continue) to separate them from such trite money-grabs as X3, Ghost Rider, and many other of its contemporaries. I can't remember who said it (it may have been Peter Travers, or perhaps Roger Ebert--and I'm paraphrasing) but the statement "There is a heartbeat under the action and drama" has never rung truer. I believe that's why MCU films have been so successful, and I hope the success continues with a great new Spidey film next summer. But Raimi's masterpieces--the Spider-Man trilogy--will always hold a special spot in my heart (and obviously millions of others). Regardless of what some snobs and nitpickers think, I believe it's very obvious that the man had a true and genuine love for the character and his mythos and that he gave us what he believed was the best version he could do on film. These movies will always be some of my favorites and will live on as my favorite film trilogy ever indefinitely!

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That great post Itchywebshooter.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's become more and more apparent to me that Spider-man 2 is probably the best directed mainstream superhero film ever (sans Unbreakable, but it's a lesser known film).

Sam Raimi is a masterful director and every shot has purpose and meaning.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Sony should have let him keep doing that for third Spider-Man.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

That great post Itchywebshooter.

Thank you! I've been following these forums for a long time, so it's nice to finally get in on the action.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

It's become more and more apparent to me that Spider-man 2 is probably the best directed mainstream superhero film ever (sans Unbreakable, but it's a lesser known film).

Sam Raimi is a masterful director and every shot has purpose and meaning.

I'd put it in the top 5, probably top 2 alongside TDK. Another I find particularly striking is Iron Man.

Agreed on that. Above all else, the man really knows how to make an extremely engaging film!

Agreed. Sony should have let him keep doing that for third Spider-Man.

Or the 4th! What could have been... I'm not mad at how things have shaken out, but I sometimes wonder what we are missing out on.

 

[AnneFan]

It's become more and more apparent to me that Spider-man 2 is probably the best directed mainstream superhero film ever (sans Unbreakable, but it's a lesser known film).

Sam Raimi is a masterful director and every shot has purpose and meaning.

I completely agree. Spider-Man 2 was a perfect storm.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'd put it in the top 5, probably top 2 alongside TDK. Another I find particularly striking is Iron Man.

As much as I like TDK, it's not consistently well directed at all. It's filled to the brim with editing mistakes, sloppy camera work, and rushed directing of actors. Nolan simply didn't have the mastery of cinematic form (at the time) that Raimi had in Spider-man 2.

Also shout out to Bill Pope, the brilliant cinematographer of Spider-man 2.

Iron Man is great. The first two thirds that is. The rest is just good. The climax lacks the gut punch of TDK and Spider-man 2.