The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - - Part 12

[ehh]

I didn't like that Peter kisses Gwen at the Spider-Man day event, very well knowing that Mary Jane was watching. It's like they made him a jerk before he got the symbiote.

 

[The Joker]

I didn't think there was anything wrong with that. It was a publicity thing that didn't mean anything, and it wasn't even his idea. The crowd was cheering him on to do it. Should he get jealous if MJ kisses a guy in a play she's doing?

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

That was definitely a questionable choice. It works for the storyline, but, c'mon. Any guy in a committed relationship should be smarter than that.

It sort of works because of Peter's aloofness and social awkwardness, combined with his enthusiasm at finally being the hero, but I think it could have definitely worked without it.

I can tell that's the point my wife/then gf checked out on Peter and was like "Nope, he's an ***hole, don't care if he dies anymore". lol

 

[PeterBenParker]

Peter and Mary Jane were oil and water. Peter and Gwen, however, could've been a better avenue to explore.

It really is a shame Raimi did MJ and Gwen backwards.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Peter and Mary Jane were good couple. It be boring if relationship was smooth with no problems.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Others have said it before, but Spider-Man 3 really should have been the movie where his love life was okay.

We spent 2 films of melodrama and tension building to the end of Spider-Man 2. Both the characters and the audience deserved a break from all that and a nice enjoyable, fun to watch relationship between the two for a while.

 

[ehh]

I'm really sad that we never got to see Peter and MJ get married in that series.

 

[The Shape]

I didn't like that Peter kisses Gwen at the Spider-Man day event, very well knowing that Mary Jane was watching. It's like they made him a jerk before he got the symbiote.

That was dumb and the moment payed as very unrealistic/artificial/telegraphed, with the crowd chanting "Kiss her!" out of nowhere, for no reason other than to have Peter duplicate the exact kiss he had with MJ in SM1 in order to make him seem like a jerk.

Even watching it in the theater at that time, it was a real eye-roll, "WTF" moment.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The symbiote doesn't invent a brand new personality. It just heightens traits already present. It makes sense that Spider-man already developed a big head before he bonded with the symbiote.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I'm really sad that we never got to see Peter and MJ get married in that series.

I just wanted to see the MAN in Spider-Man finally. See Peter as a full fledged adult and out of school.

They just keep shoving him back in high school though with each new reboot.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

The symbiote doesn't invent a brand new personality. It just heightens traits already present. It makes sense that Spider-man already developed a big head before he bonded with the symbiote.

I think that was pretty obvious. Did anyone argue otherwise?

I just wanted to see the MAN in Spider-Man finally. See Peter as a full fledged adult and out of school.

They just keep shoving him back in high school though with each new reboot.

I'd love to see adult Spidey on film someday, but it makes sense to start him in high school in the MCU. It fills the "young protagonist" void they had and if you're going to do classic Spidey, that's the setting he was created for.

Youth, while far from his defining characteristic, is part of the character that many people identify with.

 

[The Shape]

The symbiote doesn't invent a brand new personality. It just heightens traits already present. It makes sense that Spider-man already developed a big head before he bonded with the symbiote.

Of course, but there were other ways they could have shown that side of Peter, beyond having him kiss another woman in public at a Spider-man celebration (thrown for him by the city) and irritating MJ by talking about being Spider-man too much.

I'm sure there were also plenty of ways to better demonstrate how the symbiote was effecting him and bringing out the negative aspects of his personality, aside from having him do things like order a girl to bring him cookies and milk, put his feet on his boss's desk, and dance around the city.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Peter and Mary Jane were good couple. It be boring if relationship was smooth with no problems.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions.

Others have said it before, but Spider-Man 3 really should have been the movie where his love life was okay.

We spent 2 films of melodrama and tension building to the end of Spider-Man 2. Both the characters and the audience deserved a break from all that and a nice enjoyable, fun to watch relationship between the two for a while.

Yup, for sure.

I'm really sad that we never got to see Peter and MJ get married in that series.

I'm happy we didn't with the way SM3 turned out. Yuck. Had it been a happy, functional relationship then absolutely but the fact that it was always the plan to give Peter and MJ more problems for the third film just strengthens that they were water and oil. A soft reboot maintaining all the previous continuity while also starting fresh for a '4th' film could've fixed all of that. Such a shame.

As much as I liked TASM series, I would've taken the previous series continuing (to some degree) any day.

That was dumb and the moment payed as very unrealistic/artificial/telegraphed, with the crowd chanting "Kiss her!" out of nowhere, for no reason other than to have Peter duplicate the exact kiss he had with MJ in SM1 in order to make him seem like a jerk.

Even watching it in the theater at that time, it was a real eye-roll, "WTF" moment.

That kid in the crowd screaming, "NO SPIDER-MAN NO!" was the true hero that day.

I just wanted to see the MAN in Spider-Man finally. See Peter as a full fledged adult and out of school.

They just keep shoving him back in high school though with each new reboot.

I feel your pain. I like high school but I do agree with this at the end of the day, especially in the previous series' where we could've easily had that.

Now we'll be waiting a while to get to that and who knows what 'Adult Peter Parker' will mean to Marvel Studios.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

who knows what 'Adult Peter Parker' will mean to Marvel Studios.

It means a bumbling incompetent who's too idiotic to hold a job yet somehow stumbles into owning (and inevitably destroying) an international, multimillion dollar corporation, of course!

Just as Joe Quesada.

Or Dan Slott.

Or Axel Alonso.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

It means a bumbling incompetent who's too idiotic to hold a job yet somehow stumbles into owning (and inevitably destroying) an international, multimillion dollar corporation, of course!

Just as Joe Quesada.

Or Dan Slott.

Or Axel Alonso.

Also, forgot to add--he absolutely cannot be in a committed relationship! That's for weenies and dorks.

 

[PeterBenParker]

It means a bumbling incompetent who's too idiotic to hold a job yet somehow stumbles into owning (and inevitably destroying) an international, multimillion dollar corporation, of course!

Just ask Joe Quesada.

Or Dan Slott.

Or Axel Alonso.

Also, forgot to add--he absolutely cannot be in a committed relationship! That's for weenies and dorks.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The symbiote doesn't invent a brand new personality. It just heightens traits already present. It makes sense that Spider-man already developed a big head before he bonded with the symbiote.

Agreed.

 

[spiderman2]

Spider-Man 3 I still like and always liked but it is my number 3 most disappointing movie of all time. I can tell if I am going to like a movie from the previews like 95% of the time and even though I liked it I thought it would be much better. The only movies I have been more disappointed in is star wars 1 and 2. Spider-Man 3 is probly around my 15th favorite CBM but if it was has good has I thought it would be it would be my number 1 and 15 to number 1 is a big difference. It has by far the most flaws of any of the Spider-Man movies.

1. Didn't like that half the movie Harry has no memory.
2. Venom only being in the movie for the last like 30 minutes just to kill him. Should have found a way to leave the movie with a end to set up Venom for Spider-Man 4 insteady.
3. MJ made her complain and just look really bad in this movie.
4. Don't know what it is but the acting from like ever one was worse then Spider-Man 1-2
5. The dancing stuff with Peter
6. Sandman being involed with Uncle ben
7. Not enough of peter being really bad or crossing the line like when he hits MJ could have used more moments like instead got more just kind of silly/chessey rather then Peter being bad type of stuff.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I did not mind Harry amnesia because that happen in comics too.

 

[ehh]

I didn't like that Harry conveniently gets knocked out to make room for Sandman. And then Sandman gets defeated only for Harry to regain his memory. The writers didn't know how to juggle the two characters existing at once, so each one had to make room for the other in the story.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I didn't like that Harry conveniently gets knocked out to make room for Sandman. And then Sandman gets defeated only for Harry to regain his memory. The writers didn't know how to juggle the two characters existing at once, so each one had to make room for the other in the story.

Exactly. It seemed like something would happen to Harry for Sandman, then something would happen to Sandman for Eddie, and it repeated or mixed and matched.

I remember Confused Matthew summing all that up perfectly.

 

[Herofan]

since Raimi wasn't a fan of Venom and the symbiote in the first place, he probably didn't put as much stock in that compared to Sandman, seeing how Eddie Brock is practically a footnote in the film.

Sandman was, aside from the special effects, pretty bad too though.

It's weird that Raimi couldn't get into Venom since he seems really into sympathetic-or-at-least-understandable villains and Venom can certainly provide that, IMO a lot more easily and naturally than the Sandman does.

I didn't like that Peter kisses Gwen at the Spider-Man day event, very well knowing that Mary Jane was watching. It's like they made him a jerk before he got the symbiote.

At least too egotistical. The films were generally unrestrained but it went too far with something like that.

 

[The Joker]

Sandman was, aside from the special effects, pretty bad too though.

Apart from the contrived connection to Uncle Ben's death, Sandman was spot on. The character evolved into a bad luck thief with a heart. He even went full good guy and joined the goodies working for Silver Sable, and even fighting with The Avengers.

I remember the only reason he rejoined the Sinister Six was because Doc Ock blackmailed him into it;

It's weird that Raimi couldn't get into Venom since he seems really into sympathetic-or-at-least-understandable villains and Venom can certainly provide that, IMO a lot more easily and naturally than the Sandman does.

A loser who blames his loserness on someone else that had no part in his bad luck. Venom is one of the most unsympathetic villains ever. Raimi may not have been a Venom fan, and who could blame him, but he at least gave Brock a valid reason to hate Peter, because in SM-3 Peter does directly cause Eddie's downfall.

Which I personally think was leaps and bounds better than what the comics did with the character. The movie actually improved Venom over the comic book version. In the comics Eddie Brock hates Spider-Man because Eddie published a news story about Sin Eater's identity that turned out to be false when Spidey caught the real Sin Eater. He got fired and his life went to crap, and he blames Spidey for that. All Spidey did was catch a serial killer. He didn't even know Eddie from Adam. They never met. Spidey was not an obstacle to Eddie writing a good honest news story.

In SM-3 Raimi made an actual connection between Peter and Eddie, and he gave him real reasons to hate him. Peter exposed Eddie's fraud, roughed him up and humiliated him, and dated the girl Eddie was infatuated with.

Infinitely better than comic book Venom. Comic book Venom has one of the stupidest motives in comic book history. He's also one of the most overrated characters ever. Why is he considered a top Spidey villain, who some rank beside Goblin and Ock? Because he has similar powers to Spidey? Whoop dee doo. He know Spidey's identity? Big deal. What's he ever done with that? Stalk him? Scare MJ once? Pathetic and boring.

What did Goblin do when he learned Spidey's identity? Killed Gwen. What did Ock do when he found out Spidey's identity? Killed Peter himself and stole his body. That's not even counting all the other major stuff these guys did like Captain Stacy's death, hospitalizing Aunt May, making Peter and MJ lose their baby etc. Venom has never done anything that hard hitting.

Venom is a classic example of style over substance. A character who rose to popularity because of cool look and powers. Scratch that surface and there's not much underneath. I always thought it was ridiculous that he got ranked along side Goblin and Ock. They earned their A-list status. Venom didn't.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Venom in the movies is so much better than his lame counterpart in the comic books.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Good 'ol hivemind.