The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

[Venom75]

I was reading up on the Spidey trilogy today and it kinda made me a bit sad when I remembered that the two news reporters from Spider-man 3 had died. Especially the woman,Lucy Gordon,who committed suicide in 2009.

 

[Human Torch]

I never heard the reason why she committed suicide.Was it publicly revealed?In any event,it's very sad.

 

[SpideyVille]

Spider-Man 2 was more than that. It really boiled down to other things than Spider-Man swinging around the city, saving NYC from baddies, like the core of Peter/Spidey himself.

Spider-Man 2 essentially asks us, "Why would Peter continue to do this if all he is ever going to get is resentment and unhappiness?"

Once Peter realizes that not only is it his destiny, but also that he may not be the hero that NYC wants, but the one it needs (sorry for basically quoting TDK, but that's the best way to put it.) It's also an exceptionally personal and well-directed film.

Yes!

And to add to this, I personally feel like SM2 best captured the true essence of what made the Spider-Man as good as they were. A lot of people complain about Tobey not having enough wise-cracks, and how that made it seem more like the comics, but the truth is that Peter was more than just that. What makes Spidey stand out against heroes like Superman and Batman is that he has superhuman powers, but has to deal with so many basic human problems, and SM2 had the perfect mix of that.

We got some great Spidey action and fights, but what stands out the most in the film is that Peter, in his decision to do what is right, does not use his powers to his selfish advantage. He works two jobs and still tries to get an education, while also trying to provide for himself and his widowed aunt, and understands that the girl of his dreams deserves more than he can give, while his secret forces him to live with the guilt of playing a role in events that have hurt those who are closest to him. I believe Stan Lee said himself that the comics were like a soap opera where the star was not the hero, but the person, and Peter's story in SM2 was handled very well to the point where you cannot help but feel bad for him, which makes the ending so much better since he finally gets what he wants, even though it the last shot of MJ hints that even with this, Peter will never truly have a happily ever after ending, which I love.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For TASM, it's the 100% opposite. I used to like it, but the more I watched it, the more I disliked it lol. Couldn't care less about the sequel either.

Well TASM has grown on me a lot, didnt like it in the cinema, like it now due to re-watch's on BD. The sequel I HAD no interest in, but the trailer was pretty cool and my nephews love Spider-Man, so I will be going to see it I think.

Sony should have invested in Raimi for another trilogy in my opinion. They could have easily been approaching their own film-event with the obvious Sinister 6th movie, and it would have been garnering more hype without all the confusion surrounding the reboot.

Glad SM3 provided enough closure, but I think there was plenty of room for more development in the original series.

Agreed, Spidey 3 had some closure sure, but it wasnt as if the series had no were to go after that, they had plenty of places to go and the characters were far from done. Spidey 3 was a mis-step, but I am sure Raimi would have gotten things back on track and back to the level of the 1st 2 movies.

 

[Venom75]

I never heard the reason why she committed suicide.Was it publicly revealed?In any event,it's very sad.

I tried looking up a few stories and it was never really mentioned. She left 2 notes for her family,but I didn't see any mentions of why she did it. Either way,it was very sad. She seemed like a nice and beautiful young actress.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Well TASM has grown on me a lot, didnt like it in the cinema, like it now due to re-watch's on BD. The sequel I HAD no interest in, but the trailer was pretty cool and my nephews love Spider-Man, so I will be going to see it I think.

You know what's weird? I watched TASM the other night on netflix, and I don't dislike it. It's still got alot of stuff I dislike in it, but it isn't that bad. It's the most indecisive I've ever been on anything, because I feel like i'll watch it, enjoy (most of) it, and be okay with it. Then I think about it, and I dislike it.

Yes!

And to add to this, I personally feel like SM2 best captured the true essence of what made the Spider-Man as good as they were. A lot of people complain about Tobey not having enough wise-cracks, and how that made it seem more like the comics, but the truth is that Peter was more than just that. What makes Spidey stand out against heroes like Superman and Batman is that he has superhuman powers, but has to deal with so many basic human problems, and SM2 had the perfect mix of that.

We got some great Spidey action and fights, but what stands out the most in the film is that Peter, in his decision to do what is right, does not use his powers to his selfish advantage. He works two jobs and still tries to get an education, while also trying to provide for himself and his widowed aunt, and understands that the girl of his dreams deserves more than he can give, while his secret forces him to live with the guilt of playing a role in events that have hurt those who are closest to him. I believe Stan Lee said himself that the comics were like a soap opera where the star was not the hero, but the person, and Peter's story in SM2 was handled very well to the point where you cannot help but feel bad for him, which makes the ending so much better since he finally gets what he wants, even though it the last shot of MJ hints that even with this, Peter will never truly have a happily ever after ending, which I love.

 

[Human Torch]

I tried looking up a few stories and it was never really mentioned. She left 2 notes for her family,but I didn't see any mentions of why she did it. Either way,it was very sad. She seemed like a nice and beautiful young actress.

Yes,I thought she had a good career ahead of her.She was quite attractive.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

You seem pretty cool too

"Pecker."

"Parker."

"Zat is wat I saeed, Pecker."

Ah well, I preferred when the real Clouseau did that routine.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Look what came in the mail today!

 

[Picard Sisko]

I wish that came in blu-ray.

 

[Green Goblin]

Spider-Man 2 was more than that. It really boiled down to other things than Spider-Man swinging around the city, saving NYC from baddies, like the core of Peter/Spidey himself.

Spider-Man 2 essentially asks us, "Why would Peter continue to do this if all he is ever going to get is resentment and unhappiness?"

Once Peter realizes that not only is it his destiny, but also that he may not be the hero that NYC wants, but the one it needs (sorry for basically quoting TDK, but that's the best way to put it.) It's also an exceptionally personal and well-directed film.

I didn't get how Peter's nobility grew. He already learnt that in SM1.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Peter learned everything he needed to in the first Spider-Man movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just feel like Raimi's Spider-Man captured the essence of who Spider-Man is and what the story was supposed to be about than TASM did. TASM has morphed the Spider-Man story into a legacy storyline between the son taking up the mantle his father left behind in order to combat his archenemy, and for me that isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man isn't about watching Luthorco, er....Oscorp's freaks of the week taking on Spider-Man because his father was on to something. Spider-Man is an average and ordinary guy who has average and ordinary problems, which complicate his life and creates a burden that weighs on him. This why I just can't get into TASM series on a conceptual level. To me, it just isn't Spider-Man (ignoring some of TASM's more idiotic moments in the movie, of course). This is why I am not jazzed for TASM2, why I felt TASM was a mediocre effort at the character, and why when I want my Spider-Man fix, I still go to Dr. Raimi.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I wish that came in blu-ray.

Not only that, but how pathetic is it that :

A- The first run on the SM had no Blurays, then they re-release them with those god awful covers

B- There's no new special features on the blurays.

Spoiler

Watched Spider-Man last night, other than a few things it's aged beautifully.

I just feel like Raimi's Spider-Man captured the essence of who Spider-Man is and what the story was supposed to be about than TASM did. TASM has morphed the Spider-Man story into a legacy storyline between the son taking up the mantle his father left behind in order to combat his archenemy, and for me that isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man isn't about watching Luthorco, er....Oscorp's freaks of the week taking on Spider-Man because his father was on to something. Spider-Man is an average and ordinary guy who has average and ordinary problems, which complicate his life and creates a burden that weighs on him. This why I just can't get into TASM series on a conceptual level. To me, it just isn't Spider-Man (ignoring some of TASM's more idiotic moments in the movie, of course). This is why I am not jazzed for TASM2, why I felt TASM was a mediocre effort at the character, and why when I want my Spider-Man fix, I still go to Dr. Raimi.

Absolutely! I like TASM as a whole, but I can't tell you how much I hate that all the villains are...a byproduct of Oscorp.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm fine with the villains coming out of Oscorp. Makes it less random, like TSSM.

 

[DX]

I just feel like Raimi's Spider-Man captured the essence of who Spider-Man is and what the story was supposed to be about than TASM did. TASM has morphed the Spider-Man story into a legacy storyline between the son taking up the mantle his father left behind in order to combat his archenemy, and for me that isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man isn't about watching Luthorco, er....Oscorp's freaks of the week taking on Spider-Man because his father was on to something. Spider-Man is an average and ordinary guy who has average and ordinary problems, which complicate his life and creates a burden that weighs on him. This why I just can't get into TASM series on a conceptual level. To me, it just isn't Spider-Man (ignoring some of TASM's more idiotic moments in the movie, of course). This is why I am not jazzed for TASM2, why I felt TASM was a mediocre effort at the character, and why when I want my Spider-Man fix, I still go to Dr. Raimi.

Once again, Spider-Fan is the man.

 

[Spidey's Curse]

Once Peter realizes that not only is it his destiny, but also that he may not be the hero that NYC wants, but the one it needs (sorry for basically quoting TDK, but that's the best way to put it.) It's also an exceptionally personal and well-directed film.

 

[Human Torch]

I just feel like Raimi's Spider-Man captured the essence of who Spider-Man is and what the story was supposed to be about than TASM did. TASM has morphed the Spider-Man story into a legacy storyline between the son taking up the mantle his father left behind in order to combat his archenemy, and for me that isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man isn't about watching Luthorco, er....Oscorp's freaks of the week taking on Spider-Man because his father was on to something. Spider-Man is an average and ordinary guy who has average and ordinary problems, which complicate his life and creates a burden that weighs on him. This why I just can't get into TASM series on a conceptual level. To me, it just isn't Spider-Man (ignoring some of TASM's more idiotic moments in the movie, of course). This is why I am not jazzed for TASM2, why I felt TASM was a mediocre effort at the character, and why when I want my Spider-Man fix, I still go to Dr. Raimi.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I live in VA, and the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts is holding a costume expo. Look who made an appearance! Looking gorgeous, 11 years later.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just feel like Raimi's Spider-Man captured the essence of who Spider-Man is and what the story was supposed to be about than TASM did. TASM has morphed the Spider-Man story into a legacy storyline between the son taking up the mantle his father left behind in order to combat his archenemy, and for me that isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man isn't about watching Luthorco, er....Oscorp's freaks of the week taking on Spider-Man because his father was on to something. Spider-Man is an average and ordinary guy who has average and ordinary problems, which complicate his life and creates a burden that weighs on him. This why I just can't get into TASM series on a conceptual level. To me, it just isn't Spider-Man (ignoring some of TASM's more idiotic moments in the movie, of course). This is why I am not jazzed for TASM2, why I felt TASM was a mediocre effort at the character, and why when I want my Spider-Man fix, I still go to Dr. Raimi.

This sums things up perfectly for me. I will probably see TASM2 as the trailer was okay, but I am not excited for these new movies like I was in the Raimi era. When those movies were being made I couldnt be more excited for them.

 

[webhead731]

Love the avvy. ^

 

[gohei_]

I watched the first one yesterday and just got done with the second one tonight. God I love these movies.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Love the avvy. ^

Thanks, I am a huge Terminator fan so cant seem to get rid of it t:.

 

[webhead731]

Love Terminator.

Yeah really if we exclude comic-related movies, Terminator 2 is my all time favorite film.