The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

[Picard Sisko]

I think if Judy Dench can return as 'M' in the James Bond reboot, why not JK Simmons as Jameson in TASM3? Maybe it would confuse people, IDK. Although I usually say that nothing should carry over into a reboot, this is one exception that I would have to make. JK Simmons was literally Jameson pulled off the comic book page.

 

[Spooderman]

I think Spider-Man 1 & 2 make a great duology.

The problem is, I have a hard time seeing the Spider-Man films as a duology, because Spider-man 2 ends with Harry plotting revenge against Peter. Plus we don't really see Peter and MJ's relationship. I don't think Spider-Man 3 was good, but it was a decent conclusion.

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight make a great duology since TDK ends with Batman quitting, all villains captured, and the love interest dead, so I can ignore TDKR happened.

It will be a challenge, for sure. In any case, he's 'my' JJ.

 

[Picard Sisko]

SM2 doesn't end with Harry plotting against Peter. It ends with him discovering the Goblin lair with all the equipment.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I was walking through Union Square over the summer and walked into a pizza place. There was a huge sign put up on the wall that said, "You saw us in Spider-Man." I'll try to get a photo of it next time I stop by.

 

[Green Goblin]

It's kinda sad to see Spider-Man 1 have aged. It's kinda sad that's like the Batman Returns of the franchise. In terms of personal enjoyment it's on my top 10. I'll always say that it was both a good film and a good Spider-Man film.

 

[spiderman2]

yeah spider man 1 hasnt aged that while. A lot of the CGI looks dated and just my over all enjoment of the movie compard to other movies. Dont get me wrong i still love it but it is not rank has high has it used to be. Now spider man 2 on the other hand has aged great has like 98% of the CGI looks good still even though the movie is 10 years old and heck 5 years is a lot of time in technoligy lol. Plus i still love the store and find it to be my second favorite movie ever!

 

[A Necessary Evil]

There's barely any bad shots in the film. Maybe like two or three, and if it weren't for Macy Grey being in it, it could be any contemporary setting.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Even with Macy Grey I think the film still feels contemporary. If they came out with a remastered edition of SM1 and just updated some of the CGI shots then I could believe that the movie came out in the last 4-5 years.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

But it didn't, and that's okay. I'd love for CGI to age perfectly in everything ever too, but of course what looked good 12 years ago won't look so hot by today's standards sometimes. The Goblin/Spidey fight in the first is all CG, look how perfect that looked.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Do you mean the first GG/Spider-Man fight at the Unity Day festival? There was some iffy CGI but my issue has more to do with how the fighting between them felt too choreographed. It was the first time Spider-Man was on film so I understand the challenges that the filmmakers faced.

I feel like watching SM1 again now. It's on netflix instant.

 

[The Joker]

It's kinda sad to see Spider-Man 1 have aged.

How has it aged? Because there's a couple of duff CGI shots? Do we have to name a ton of classic movies that have bad special fx in them? That doesn't make the movies aged. Heck some of the modern CBMs have some dodgy effects in them, including the new TASM movies.

It's kinda sad that's like the Batman Returns of the franchise.

In what way? Batman Returns was controversial in that it got a backlash for being too dark and violent, which is why we got campy Schumacher movies after it. It's polarizing with Batman fans because many feel it's too Tim Burton rather than Batman.

How is Spider-Man 1 like that in any way?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Do you mean the first GG/Spider-Man fight at the Unity Day festival?

Nope, the one in the burning building when Norman pretends to be a woman. All CGI. Absolutely perfect.

How has it aged? Because there's a couple of duff CGI shots? Do we have to name a ton of classic movies that have bad special fx in them? That doesn't make the movies aged. Heck some of the modern CBMs have some dodgy effects in them, including the new TASM movies.

In what way? Batman Returns was controversial in that it got a backlash for being too dark and violent, which is why we got campy Schumacher movies after it. It's polarizing with Batman fans because many feel it's too Tim Burton rather than Batman.

How is Spider-Man 1 like that in any way?

to this.

Also #BatmanReturnsRules

 

[Picard Sisko]

There are some shots in SM1 that are really, really bad, but then there are shots that are really, really good.

The really, really bad moments:

*spider-man climbing up the wall after Uncle Ben dies*
*unity day festival balloons*
*green goblin catching spider-man after gassing him*
*spider-man trying to catch the tram car after green goblin hits him*

The rest I think was really good, such as the final swing or Spider-Man dodging the razor bats in the burning building.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How has it aged? Because there's a couple of duff CGI shots? Do we have to name a ton of classic movies that have bad special fx in them? That doesn't make the movies aged. Heck some of the modern CBMs have some dodgy effects in them, including the new TASM movies.

Well the aged CGI definitely contributes to SM1 feeling dated to some people. But if it weren't for some CGI shots then I could believe that the film took place in a contemporary setting.

 

[The Joker]

Well the aged CGI definitely contributes to SM1 feeling dated to some people. But if it weren't for some CGI shots then I could believe that the film took place in a contemporary setting.

That complaint can be applied to many classic movies, and modern day movies, including TASM movies. They all have some dodgy sfx. The special fx on the whole hold up really well in SM-1.

It's not like the effects are looking like this:

And that's from Robocop, a Sci Fi classic.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I don't think the film feels overly dated, but if anything that only adds to the retro charm Raimi was going for.

 

[Green Goblin]

How has it aged? Because there's a couple of duff CGI shots? Do we have to name a ton of classic movies that have bad special fx in them? That doesn't make the movies aged. Heck some of the modern CBMs have some dodgy effects in them, including the new TASM movies.



In what way? Batman Returns was controversial in that it got a backlash for being too dark and violent, which is why we got campy Schumacher movies after it. It's polarizing with Batman fans because many feel it's too Tim Burton rather than Batman.

How is Spider-Man 1 like that in any way?

Really? It's pretty famous for it, not as much for SM2 though. The audience still gave that film 80% but SM1 is in the 60's. I actually like returns more than 89, I get why others don't but I think it's good anyway. I wouldn't quite say fans are as split on it as they are on returns.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That complaint can be applied to many classic movies, and modern day movies, including TASM movies. They all have some dodgy sfx. The special fx on the whole hold up really well in SM-1.

I never said otherwise. But special effects contribute to how well a film will age years to come, and SM1, Robocop, the Matrix, etc. are somewhat dated due to their effects.

And although SM1's effects aren't as bad as RoboCop, some of the CGI shots are really bad and don't hold up well at all. Then there are others that look good even in 2014. The SM1 SFX are a mixed bag.

 

[The Joker]

Really? It's pretty famous for it, not as much for SM2 though

Famous for what?

The audience still gave that film 80% but SM1 is in the 60's. I actually like returns more than 89, I get why others don't but I think it's good anyway. I wouldn't quite say fans are as split on it as they are on returns.

You've lost me. Fans are more split on what over Returns?

I never said otherwise. But special effects contribute to how well a film will age years to come. SM1, Robocop, the Matrix, and more are somewhat dated due to their effects.

Again you can apply that same complaint to modern day CBMs, including the TASM movies. When people say it has some bad or dodgy looking sfx, you can say that about TASM 1 and 2 as well, among other modern CBMs.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Again you can apply that same complaint to modern day CBMs, including the TASM movies. When people say it has some bad or dodgy looking sfx, you can say that about TASM 1 and 2 as well, among other modern CBMs.

And the bad CGI that you see in modern day CBMs will look even worse 10 years from now.

 

[The Joker]

And the bad CGI that you see in modern day CBMs will look even worse 10 years from now.

How do you know? For example some of the CGI shots you listed as bad in SM-1 looks better than some of the stuff you see in today's movies.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How do you know? For example some of the CGI shots you listed as bad in SM-1 looks better than some of the stuff you see in today's movies.

Special effects get better as time goes on. Between better technology, new techniques, CGI will always improve. It's not illogical to assume that the effects we see today won't look as good 10-15 years from now.

 

[The Joker]

Special effects get better as time goes on. Between better technology, new techniques, CGI will always improve. It's not illogical to assume that the effects we see today won't look as good 10-15 years from now.

It's also illogical to assume that the sfx now will look bad in ten years, especially when so many movies from years ago have sfx that still hold up today.

 

[Kanon]

I don't think SM1 has aged bad at all, and SFX wise, it still looks awesome. There are worse SFX in movies coming out today that are far more noticiable, and are accepted. That's OK in my book

 

[Picard Sisko]

It's also illogical to assume that the sfx now will look bad in ten years, especially when so many movies from years ago have sfx that still hold up today.

Well if you really think that SM1's CGI looks better than most CGI today then the more power to you. Some CGI will age well and others not so much.