The Official Lois Lane Casting & Discussion Thread - Part 4

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So you can take my words to the bank. You need an actress with the regal Cavill who's real, not a male-fantasy, not otherworldly, not unattainable, or else they won't have chemistry and their romance won't be romantic.

I don't disagree that Lois shouldn't be a male-fantasy otherwordly type beauty (whatever that means to you, or him, him, or him), but I have to maintain that you can't decide chemistry on looks alone. My original statement is that chemistry between two people either exists or it doesn't. You can throw a half dozen of your described ideal "real" type at Henry, and some of them will have "it" with him and some of them won't. The reverse is true. You won't know that until they test. That was my point.

And by your logic, poor Henry will never have a hot leading lady (tongue-in-cheek):(
 
This whole 'too sexy' thing is ridiculous.
 
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"She's ... I don't know ... not as beautiful as a movie star, but she has ... a quality. Something I've never seen in any other woman. Almost a fire in those big, dark eyes. For just a moment it seemed as if something passed between us. A spark." Clark to Ma Kent.

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"She's ... I don't know ... not as beautiful as a movie star, but she has ... a quality. Something I've never seen in any other woman. Almost a fire in those big, dark eyes. For just a moment it seemed as if something passed between us. A spark." Clark to Ma Kent.

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MEW is beautiful, but Lois also has to have a vibrant, attractive personality....something that MEW has never been able to portray in any of her roles.
 
I don't disagree that Lois shouldn't be a male-fantasy otherwordly type beauty (whatever that means to you, or him, him, or him), but I have to maintain that you can't decide chemistry on looks alone. My original statement is that chemistry between two people either exists or it doesn't. You can throw a half dozen of your described ideal "real" type at Henry, and some of them will have "it" with him and some of them won't. The reverse is true. You won't know that until they test. That was my point.

And by your logic, poor Henry will never have a hot leading lady (tongue-in-cheek):(
1) I didn't talk about looks alone (although that's part of it), I talked about "screen quality," which is every quality that the person gives off. The way they look is a large factor in that, but it's about how they look specifically, what type of feeling do their specific features conjure? What is their voice like, style of speech? How do they carry themselves? Etc. Note: (I hate it when people either don't read my posts, don't understand my posts, or try to spin my posts into something I didn't say in order to favor their arguement. It gets really tedious having to repeat myself and say, "No, I didn't say that, you're drawing an argument out of thin air.")

Also, don't try to pretend that "male fantasy" is so objective. Olivia Wilde? C'mon. Mila Kunis? These are exotic, sunsual-looking women. That's exactly why they're getting roles, because they appeal to the majority of the public, which Hollywood uses to make money off them. When we're talking about that high a level of hotness, there's no subjectivity. Otherwise, anyone can say anything, which in debate terms in bull****. You could say, "I find Angelina Jolie to be homely, that's just my taste," even though she's famous for being sultry and sexy. So let's just get that out of the way right now. I'm not going to get into a bogus debate of subjectivity here with people who are gonna pathetically try to claim, "I don't find Olivia Wilde that sexy," when that's what she's famous for. Homey don't play 'dat.

2) Some actresses within my semi-broad category of "real" (although I wrote more details than that) might have more chemistry with Cavill than others, yes, but that depends on each individual actresses' specific combination of qualities and we weren't talking about specific actresses, we were talking about predicting chemistry in general, so I said, "This general type will have chemistry with Cavill within these two roles." Again, you're not grasping my post so I'm having to repeat myself. I don't want to do this again.

And by your logic, poor Henry will never have a hot leading lady (tongue-in-cheek):(
"Within these two roles" is key. Again, you're spinning my words into something that wasn't there to desperately, shallowly favor your arguments.

Within the roles of Superman and Lois -- those characters specifically -- everything I'm saying is true. If you want to go make a Hitchcock-style thriller with Henry Cavill in the Cary Grant role, then obviously the type of chemistry he needs with his leading lady is gonna be completely different, so don't you dare try to distort my words into sweeping statements that I would never be ignorant enough to make. If you want a sleek, stylish thriller with a leading lady who's mysterious matched with the handsome, capable, yet trusting and idealistic Cavill, if you want the chemistry to be "steamy" or "cool" then obviously you'd cast a different type of actresss, not the same woman who would play Lois Lane because that's a completely different role! For God's sake!

My point was this entire "Well, we won't know until the screen test" thing is bull because:

1) You and I aren't gonna see the screen test, so we may as well leave this board and never come back and 2) Yes you will know before the screen test! because if you know what you're talking about, you can tell who's gonna work well together.

If my predictions are too general for you, Dar, and you'd really like me to get specific name some names and I'll tell you how well I'd think they'd do with Cavill and as Lois in general. Like I said, you can save my post and put it to the test later: whoever is cast, I'm gonna end up being right about. Not that you seem to respect my opinion in the first place, but as I stated, I've been right every time before when everyone else called me an idiot, so I have a pretty good track record.

i love that people are already claiming this actress will not have chemistry with henry

it is hilarious LOL
What's hilarious is blindly thinking that all things are equal, which they aren't. Something only appears complicated or "magical" or "unknown" when you don't have the knowledge to understand how it works.

This whole 'too sexy' thing is ridiculous.
Agreed tenfold.
What's ridiculous is thinking that every woman who you feast your eyes on in a movie should be smokin' hot just because that's the default setting without thinking about what would actually be best for the story.

Who is your pick for Lois? All your responses are so well thought out, you seem to know what you're talking about.
There's no one who I think is so perfect that I'm willing to endorse her (especially after I've talked up how much I know what I'm talking about, haha), but I'll wait and see if Dar throws out some names for me.
 
I don't understand the notion that Olivia's beauty makes her unable to have a "real" chemistry/relationship with Cavill's Superman. Just because she's hot doesn't mean that Cavill's Clark can't fall for her personality. I saw someone suggest a while ago that perhaps Clark is reading an article by Lois before he has even met her and makes note of some special quality he sees in it. Or he could be surprised that Lois is such a genuine person, perhaps he assumed she was a typical city girl with good looks but no depth to her. And, personally, Wilde comes off pretty genuine and real in interviews, she carries herself well and seems "real" despite her amazing looks.

You can't decide whether or not an actress would have good chemistry with an actor or vice versa, without ever even seeing them together at all, let alone a screen test/audition. I do think that Cavill and Wilde could be a good match on screen, but perhaps they would be the worst on screen couple of all time. I don't know. But, I am pretty sure that Wilde is a good choice for Lois, she has the looks and the talent. I don't believe in the "She's too hot" argument. If she can pull off Lois as a character, then her hotness is icing on the cake, it does nothing to make the Lois and Clark relationship any less real.
 
Couldn't agree with you more.
Ah, hopefulsuicide. From this post you wrote, you sound wonderful. You seem to know exactly what you're talking about. And from the sound of it, you're female. I think I'm in love. It is such a relief to find someone on this board who is a) intelligent with obviously sharp observations and b) understands and is passionate about this character.

In a lot of ways, it's why I think you have to find someone who is naturally like Lois in a lot of ways. Yes an actress is supposed to be able to play different roles... but that chemistry can't be faked. And since I see Cavill having a natural air about him that just screams Superman, I think whoever they cast as Lois will have too equally naturally encompass Lois. That's why Lois and Clark have chemistry, and it's the only way Cavill and whoever they cast will too IMO.
YES! YES! YES! YES! and did I say YES!? I covered this exact point previously and no one seemed to care:

Margot Kidder was tough, confident, smart, tenacious, and everything in-between when she was around Clark, in the office, and out reporting, but when she was around Superman... she melted like a school girl and was putty in his hands. Teri Hatcher was exactly the same way. Lois must have this duality!

Tough when Superman's not around, Jell-O when she's standing in front of him. I know what you're thinking right now: "That's what acting's for!" NO! Not many actresses can pull this off. You have to have a certain combination of qualities in order to make that transition and it's not about acting ability, it's about naturally having both those sides to your personality in real life. Acting goes a long way, certainly, but there's a limit, which I think a lot of people don't realize. Only a rare, RARE breed of actor can transform into any character at will and I'm talking count-them-on-one-hand rare: Daniel Day-Lewis, Cate Blanchett, Christian Bale, Meryl Streep and that may be it. Heath Ledger could do it, so could Marlon Brando. Ralph Fiennes seems pretty good, so goes Sean Penn, but these actors are once or twice in a generation. Olivia Wilde and Ashley Greene cannot manifest any quality at will for the role they play. That's why people in the movie business say that 90% of doing a good job directing the actors is casting. Because if you cast the person who already has the right qualities for the role, they're going to nail the role.


I adore that line. It's not something that often comes across on film or TV, because a lot of the time the actresses they cast ARE drop dead gorgeous.

The thing is, to me, Lois Lane is not just some hot peice of ass in a Superman movie. She is my NO.1 favourite character of all time. Even more than Superman! She is my role model as a woman, Clark's reasons for loving her are how I imagine the perfect relationship to be, and it is incredibly important to me that they portray her properly, and in a way that a lot of people will relate to.
YES! I can't believe I'm actually reading these words on this message board. You completely get this character. Your passion is so sincere. It's funny you mention Clark's reasons for loving Lois and having yourself idealized their relationship. I think I know why:

Actually, Lois is not supposed to be portrayed as overly attractive. 04nbod is right, Superman is attracted to Lois because of her intelligence.

I believe it's from Byrne's Superman that goes: "She's... I don't know... not as beautiful as a movie star, but she has... a quality. Something I've never seen in any other woman. Almost a fire in those big, dark eyes. For just a moment it seemed as if something passed between us. A spark."

"Not as beautiful as a movie star." It's one of the elements of the Superman story that makes it so charming and emotional -- Superman is seduced by Lois' personality (what a thought) and her looks are irrelevant. I don't know for a fact, but it's probably taken from Pride & Prejudice in which Lizzie is "plain," but the stunningly handsome Darcy, who could have any woman he wants, falls in love with Lizzie because he is so enchanted by her wit and intelligence. That's one of the major elements of Pride & Prejudice that has made it such a beloved story that people have come back to over and over again through the centuries, and it's just as appealing in Superman. So casting some flavor-of-the-week Hollywood knockout as Lois would ruin the dynamic and dilute the power of the story.

Diluting the power of beloved stories seems to be Hollywood's speciality, though, so this is all irrelevant. We know that a movie studio is not going to cast an "average" looking woman as Lois (even though "average" in Hollywood terms is still gorgeous). Hell, to Hollywood Keira Knightley was supposed to be "plain" in Pride & Prejudice. Yeah, right. We got Kate Bosworth the last time around (who miscast beyond just her looks) and I'm sure they'll screw it up again this time.


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If only Cate Blanchett were 15 years younger.


I really don't see Olivia Wilde accomplishing this, or any director who cast her in the role having a true understand of the Lois i'm talking about.

The one thing that consoles me, is that they haven't announced it yet. That maybe just because she isn't a big part of the movie.

But if she is, that shows me that they are giving it ALOT of consideration, and that they are struggling (just like I am TBH, in considering absolutely every suggestion on this forum) to find someone who is perfect for the role. But at least I feel like when they do, she really will be perfect.
Here's hoping. I'm so glad I have a partner in passion for Lois Lane.
 
GA1U5 and hopefulsuicide, I'm with you too! :cwink:
 
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What about to Live Free or Die Hard?
i barely remember her in that movie. i barely remember her in most of her movies. the only reason i remember her in Scott Pilgrim is because she was the female lead and unnaturally colored hair. Knives Chau was 10 times more memorable in that movie than Ramona.
 
ok this "so and so is to sexy for Lois" stuff is nothing but total crap and just annoying, yes I think Olivia Wilde is the best choice for Lois, but there are so many that others have brought up that while not my choice could work as Lois, there being turned away so to speak with the lines of "there to sexy for Lois".

WTF?? That makes no sense whatsoever, Diane Lane is to sexy to play Martha Kent........GUESS WHAT lol.

If they have the look (to sexy or not) and they can act, put em on the list is what I say lol
 
Yeah, this too sexy "debate" is getting tired and only makes those saying 'too sexy' as idiotic as those using lame reasons 'too fat, too ugly, horsefaced, etc' about beautiful actresses just because they don't want them in the role.

I understand it's a message board full of geeks/nerds/etc, but seriously now, grow up.
 
I'm all for just casting the best actress who has chemistry with Cavill and I really don't care if she's as hot as Camille Belle or has the girl next door looks of Julia Roberts. As long as she's good and works well with Cavill, she's got my support .
 
Yeah seriously, whenever i hear the reason "too sexy" it just sounds stupid. Hey they have to think of a reason not to like Wilde, and i guess that reason is because she makes them ejaculate prematurely, thats on you. :whatever:

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Its whatever, Olivia Wilde is one of the best, if not the best actress for the role, she seems to fit everything in terms of age, acting chops, and a rising star plus she has a background in journalism. Whats not to like? Its her or McAdams for me, but i must say Wilde shouldnt be dismissed for the role simply because some of you think she's too sexy.
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What's ridiculous is thinking that every woman who you feast your eyes on in a movie should be smokin' hot just because that's the default setting without thinking about what would actually be best for the story.

While I do find Wilde very attractive, that's not the reason she's my favourite. I just think she'd be a great Lois. You don't and that's fine with me. We're not all going to agree on the same thing.
 
Ah, hopefulsuicide. From this post you wrote, you sound wonderful. You seem to know exactly what you're talking about. And from the sound of it, you're female. I think I'm in love. It is such a relief to find someone on this board who is a) intelligent with obviously sharp observations and b) understands and is passionate about this character.

YES! YES! YES! YES! and did I say YES!? I covered this exact point previously and no one seemed to care:

Margot Kidder was tough, confident, smart, tenacious, and everything in-between when she was around Clark, in the office, and out reporting, but when she was around Superman... she melted like a school girl and was putty in his hands. Teri Hatcher was exactly the same way. Lois must have this duality!

Tough when Superman's not around, Jell-O when she's standing in front of him. I know what you're thinking right now: "That's what acting's for!" NO! Not many actresses can pull this off. You have to have a certain combination of qualities in order to make that transition and it's not about acting ability, it's about naturally having both those sides to your personality in real life. Acting goes a long way, certainly, but there's a limit, which I think a lot of people don't realize. Only a rare, RARE breed of actor can transform into any character at will and I'm talking count-them-on-one-hand rare: Daniel Day-Lewis, Cate Blanchett, Christian Bale, Meryl Streep and that may be it. Heath Ledger could do it, so could Marlon Brando. Ralph Fiennes seems pretty good, so goes Sean Penn, but these actors are once or twice in a generation. Olivia Wilde and Ashley Greene cannot manifest any quality at will for the role they play. That's why people in the movie business say that 90% of doing a good job directing the actors is casting. Because if you cast the person who already has the right qualities for the role, they're going to nail the role.

It is so nice to have someone post on this thread, who is not just posting pictures of girls in skimpy outfits, but actually gives too hoots about the character and what it takes to pull her off.

It's weird, because I generally don't like the original Superman films, but Margot Kidder's Lois is one thing I think they got right, for all the reasons you said.

One of the biggest things missing from Superman Returns IMO, was Lois full on risking her life for a story, and getting into Hot Water. Like Superman 2's Eiffel Tower scene (god I love that scene :)). But there were almost NO aspects of Lois Lane as I understand her in Kate Bosworth's portrayal.

No, you can't know for certain how a particular actress is going to turn out. It would be ridiculous for me to say that Olivia Wilde (or any other actress I have felt wrong for the role) cannot possibly pull off Lois and has absolutely zero chance of chemistry for Cavill...

... but what I CAN do, is say that given everything I have seen of her, and given everything I understand of her public image, everything I can seen of Cavill, and everything I know about Lois Lane (which as i'm sure people can tell, is not just 'oh yeah she's Superman's girlfriend'... she's an iconic character all on her own), that it is not very likely.

YES! I can't believe I'm actually reading these words on this message board. You completely get this character. Your passion is so sincere. It's funny you mention Clark's reasons for loving Lois and having yourself idealized their relationship. I think I know why:

Actually, Lois is not supposed to be portrayed as overly attractive. 04nbod is right, Superman is attracted to Lois because of her intelligence.

I believe it's from Byrne's Superman that goes: "She's... I don't know... not as beautiful as a movie star, but she has... a quality. Something I've never seen in any other woman. Almost a fire in those big, dark eyes. For just a moment it seemed as if something passed between us. A spark."

"Not as beautiful as a movie star." It's one of the elements of the Superman story that makes it so charming and emotional -- Superman is seduced by Lois' personality (what a thought) and her looks are irrelevant. I don't know for a fact, but it's probably taken from Pride & Prejudice in which Lizzie is "plain," but the stunningly handsome Darcy, who could have any woman he wants, falls in love with Lizzie because he is so enchanted by her wit and intelligence. That's one of the major elements of Pride & Prejudice that has made it such a beloved story that people have come back to over and over again through the centuries, and it's just as appealing in Superman. So casting some flavor-of-the-week Hollywood knockout as Lois would ruin the dynamic and dilute the power of the story.

Diluting the power of beloved stories seems to be Hollywood's speciality, though, so this is all irrelevant. We know that a movie studio is not going to cast an "average" looking woman as Lois (even though "average" in Hollywood terms is still gorgeous). Hell, to Hollywood Keira Knightley was supposed to be "plain" in Pride & Prejudice. Yeah, right. We got Kate Bosworth the last time around (who miscast beyond just her looks) and I'm sure they'll screw it up again this time.


If only Cate Blanchett were 15 years younger.

Here's hoping. I'm so glad I have a partner in passion for Lois Lane.

That's EXACTLY the point.

And I feel like you've just given me this massive epiphany as to why I love Superman, more than any other Superhero.

Because he has such good taste in women!

It's why Smallville can be so difficult to sit through sometimes, especially during seasons 5-7... it gets to a point where you loose respect for him, because he is pathetically 'in love' with a character that is completely unlikeable.

Lois is a character who, if you don't completely screw her up Kate Bosworth style, is hard to portray as anything but likeable and relatable. Every woman in the world has a Lois Lane side IMO. And embracing that is something that should be encouraged.

To reboot this story, and to have it show these aspects, of the Hero falling for a girl who ISN'T unbelievable hot, is sending out all the right messages to the youth of today.

Girls might actually believe that they don't have to get skinny and wear a tonne of make-up to be attractive, because if a guy is really a good guy (like Superman), then he is going to see past all of that, and fall for you for all the right reasons.

Guys might actually realise, that sometimes the best girls AREN'T drop dead gorgeous, and learn to see past their own egos.

As I said before, I know that it is going to be damn near impossible to cast someone who isn't attractive. And I'm not saying that's what I want.

I just want to avoid casting someone who has a reputation as a sex symbol, who has high cheekbones and strong jawline like a catwalk model, and whose natural charisma screams 'classy, smooth or unattainable'.

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I'd rather go for someone who is attractive enough for a big blockbuster hollywood film, has a natural 'Lois Lane' air about them, and who doesn't have the problems mentioned above.

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I can actually picture her working REALLY well with Cavill!

I think she's the best we're gonna find amongst modern actressess. She's cute, but not drop-dead-gorgeous, she seems intelligent and can be tough and tenacious, but you could also imagine her being overwhelmed by Superman.

I say to Snyder: cast Michelle Monaghan... because I'm worried we're gonna get someone a lot worse.

To those who want Olivia Wilde, you're out of your minds. Lois is not an exotic, seductive supermodel. And Wilde doesn't even have the personality traits of Lois. Anyone who wants Wilde for Lois doesn't understand or care about the character, period.

I agree with everything you said, mainly as you support my suggestion of Michelle Monaghan lol! But I also think they really need to avoid casting an actress who is sexy/hot/drop dead gorgeous. Lois Lane isn't a Megan Fox/Angelina Jolie type. I've always thought of Lois as someone who IS attactive, but is someone who focuses on her career rather then her appearance and therefore this should be reflected by casting an actress who - although attractive - is not distractingly so. I think Olivia is TOO exotic and TOO sexy. She's not the kind of woman you see walking down the street everyday and therefore she is NOT relatable. We're casting Lois Lane here, NOT Lara Croft.

It seems Michelle's age to some is a factor (predictably!) I personally think she looks very young for her age as opposed to Olivia Wilde who is the oldest looking 26 year old I've ever seen. If Olivia was cast I wouldn't be totally devestated as I'm sure they will choose who they believe is BEST for the part. But I will have my doubts.

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Michelle Monaghan would be great, as well as Keri Russell, my choice by the time Superman Returns was in production.

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I'm of the opinion that Lois isn't as hard a role to cast as many people here are making her out to be; a lot of the names suggested could pull it off, IMO. But Russell is one I just can't get on board with. I've never seen "Waitress," (though it's buried somewhere in my neverending Netflix queue) and perhaps when I do it will change my opinion of her... but so far, I've always found her so... bland in everything she's ever been in. She doesn't ruin a movie for me, but I don't find her to elevate it either. She's just kind of... there. I've never understand why her name always seems to come up in these superhero love interest discussions when it seems like there are always 200 other actresses who would be better than her.
 
I did a quick search of the forum. Seems like none suggested Camilla Belle yet. How can this be?


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I tried to find some more recent pictures of her, since I'll admit she has a very youthful look, but I think she looks great!
 
People have suggested her in the past... she usually gets shot down pretty quickly though for being a fairly lousy actress.
 
I'm of the opinion that Lois isn't as hard a role to cast as many people here are making her out to be; a lot of the names suggested could pull it off, IMO. But Russell is one I just can't get on board with. I've never seen "Waitress," (though it's buried somewhere in my neverending Netflix queue) and perhaps when I do it will change my opinion of her... but so far, I've always found her so... bland in everything she's ever been in. She doesn't ruin a movie for me, but I don't find her to elevate it either. She's just kind of... there. I've never understand why her name always seems to come up in these superhero love interest discussions when it seems like there are always 200 other actresses who would be better than her.

She was almost cast as Lois Lane in Returns, but in the last minute they cast Bosworth, so they could have Spacey as Luthor. You can see her in the DVD extras. She would be much better than Kate. She's terrific in Waitress, she just need to choose better roles, she was also good in Leaves of Grass (but it's a small part). :cwink:
 
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