Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

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the next writer(s) must be willing to mine more of the comics/cartoon mythologies. At this point, it's become rote to have a Lex-based scheme at the center of every film. There are other villains in the superman universe, who are just as worthy. they should read Alan Moore's "What happened to...?" arc and that's just a summary..

"If" Singer reaches out to Donner, hopefully Geoff Johns will get involved..

The only "problem" I see is resolving the super-son subplot.. ah well..
 
"A retelling of the origin is required when the original telling feels dated, and STM as far as I´m concerned still holds up very well in that department. Other than just timeline, there´s nothing about Donner´s telling of the journey from Krypton to Kansas to Metropolis I feel necessary to retell."

Someone gets it. Reboot the franchise again and start here and it'll be suicide for WB to do it after Superman Returns.
 
So if a script or treatment is not greenlit then they don't monetarily owe Singer anything for involvement with SR2?

I don't know to tell you the truth. I believe Singer gets paid, but I am not sure. Somebody else might know about contracts more than I do.
 
Look, this is variety, and how has their track record been? Terrible. I could totally see this being true, and I could also easily see this as more ****ty reporting. Either way, I would love to see what they come up with if they still actually are on it, and I could also dig a new take. I'll tell you one thing though, I'm sure as hell not losing any sleep over it.

And what is all this 'Get Donner back!' talk? Donner is not the end all, be all of Superman. He had a great take on it, but I doubt his ideas on the character have changed at all since 1978. not to mention, I doubt he'd want to work with anybody but Chris Reeve.
 
Steve Younis also said they walked.

Then I guess they walked out due to their frustration of their ideas not being greenlit by WB. What I don't get is those ideas are Singer's as well, why wouldn't he leave with them, to show his loyalty to them.
 
In fact you don't have to. Even if you insist to name that 'crap' and a sequel were confirmed, you wouldn't have to watch it. It's that simple.

I don't know it would be crap till I saw it and movie tickets aren't cheap nowadays. I wanted a new Superman movie, not a rehash of the film from 78, it was a total rip.

And Christ imagery? lol? Was Spiderman in that train being helped by people in a crucifixoon pose Christ imagery too? It seems not even the writers being posted out is reason enough to stop your angry temper tantrums.

Please Singer was commenting on Superman being Christ in the movie, in a bunch of interviews. That made the film completely pretenious.


Your post says otherwise..

I don't care about your opinion on the film, but i found your suggestion that SR was so perfect that if sequel was different it shouldn't be created, because it would be lessen SR's prefection, i found that to be silly.


SR was seen by more people than Batman Begins pal. Everything reduces to the amount of money on executives' pockets, not about the kiddy fascination of a ride on the bandwagon you're suffering of.

Batman had a smaller budget, so it would have gotten better returns. Here is the bandwagon I'm on, the one where the movie is similar to the comic and isn't a rehash of the 78 film. How about a movie where lex isn't a idiot and was actually intelligent or that actually has a super villain in it, like one from the comics. Is that too much to ask for?

And by what it seems, it's what you're getting. So I must ask, in the words of Jacob (Harvey Keitel) "Are you such a loser you can't tell when you've won?" :huh:

I just took issue with your silly suggestion on the sequel, that's all.
 
Singer's going to leave. This story is just the beginning, unless Singer's connection to Superman is so strong that he doesn't want to leave...not to mention repeating his history on the X-Men franchise.

Singer's going to leave and then the character will be in limbo for a long while because it'll be stupid to reboot again in just a few years. Totally stupid.
 
Then I guess they walked out due to their frustration of their ideas not being greenlit by WB. What I don't get is those ideas are Singer's as well, why wouldn't he leave with them, to show his loyalty to them.

He might have, that could be the next report.
 
A retelling of the origin is required when the original telling feels dated, and STM as far as I´m concerned still holds up very well in that department. Other than just timeline, there´s nothing about Donner´s telling of the journey from Krypton to Kansas to Metropolis I feel necessary to retell.
Ok, as far as you're concerned. That's fine. But these films aren't just for geeks like me and you who have seen all these comic book movies, no matter the date they've come out on. Nor are these films just for the adults today, that have seen the Donner film when they were kids. It's for everyone.

30 years; that is a huge gap. And IS dated. The world today is not the same as it was in the late 70s. I'm sure that's not news to you. Of the "average" kid/teen you know, how many do you think have actually seen the original Superman film? Or at least know it well enough to tell you what it was about from beginning to end? Very few I bet.

I'd wager their knowledge of Superman's origins have either been through Timm's series, L&C, or Smallville. ALL tv shows, which means there are millions more that don't have much exposure to Supes in a significant way. At best, they'd have some vague sense of who Superman is, and where he came from.

We're in a completely new age of film, which means limitless possibilities of what you can put up there now. An origin film, if done right, can be quite epic in it's own right, from a technical standpoint alone. Not to mention that a major motion picture reaches a broad audience worldwide, compared to television. I'd say Superman deserves the best that can be offered, no? It's time he makes a grand return to pop culture.

There were confirmations from several sources that the script leak of JL was real, the most important WB putting down the page with the leak, which is a classic sign of the information being real.
Source confirmations still aren't fact. Look, I know you clearly do not want this film to happen, I've read your thoughts on it. But some people have hope that this could actually turn out good.

Saying a film will outright suck, based on some silly rumors/speculation is just being ahead of yourself. The film isn't even in production, not a single still has been released. Not even a script review. So really, we're still on square one. I don't think it's too much to ask for a little bit of patience at this point.
 
Singer's going to leave. This story is just the beginning, unless Singer's connection to Superman is so strong that he doesn't want to leave...not to mention repeating his history on the X-Men franchise.

Singer's going to leave and then the character will be in limbo for a long while because it'll be stupid to reboot again in just a few years. Totally stupid.

I agree, Singer will leave, eventually. May take a little longer though. But when all is said and done, WB can just continue Superman down the line with the actor they get for Superman for JL and then start a new continuity/franchise.
 
Drexx,

Is WB going to redo the origin of Batman in 30 years for another generation after they're done with Nolan's trilogy?

I mean, seriously, why do it for every new generation? This is why we have DVD. This is why we have books. Do some research, a little reading, and you won't have to keep retelling origins for these characters for a new generation.

The basics don't change because fans aren't willing to let them change. So, why keep retelling the basics of every characters origin for a new generation? It makes little sense to me when we all have access to find out about such things quite easily.
 
Notice how the article writes it? Dougherty and Harris weren't fired, they are just moving on to more directing gigs. Next you are going to see Singer get a new movie that he falls inlove with, so he leaves SR2. Then Warners just sweeps it under the carpet. That is how this works. It is a planned PR move so everyone involved saves face. Hell, Noveck's comments last week may have even been a planned part of this to keep the illusion that Warners was trying to work with Singer so no one is embarrassed by this.
 
Notice how the article writes it? Dougherty and Harris weren't fired, they are just moving on to more directing gigs. Next you are going to see Singer get a new movie that he falls inlove with, so he leaves SR2. Then Warners just sweeps it under the carpet. That is how this works. It is a planned PR move so everyone involved saves face. Hell, Noveck's comments last week may have even been a planned part of this to keep the illusion that Warners was trying to work with Singer so no one is embarrassed by this.

We've been trying to tell them. :csad:
 
Drexx,

Is WB going to redo the origin of Batman in 30 years for another generation after they're done with Nolan's trilogy?
As thoroughly as BB did it? No, probably not. But will they gloss over it from time to time? Yes, probably so. It's an important event in Bruce's life, so it will always have a place in the mythos.

I mean, seriously, why do it for every new generation? This is why we have DVD. This is why we have books. Do some research, a little reading, and you won't have to keep retelling origins for these characters for a new generation.
So you'd be fine with the original interpretations of these characters? Have you read the first few issues of Superman and Batman? Pretty different from what we know today. Hell, even the comics themselves have rebooted these characters a number of times. It's what you do to keep these characters relevant.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a modern take. It's certainly better than remaining stagnant. By very definition, you've cornered yourself into a wall doing things that way.

The basics don't change because fans aren't willing to let them change. So, why keep retelling the basics of every characters origin for a new generation? It makes little sense to me when we all have access to find out about such things quite easily.
Like I said; relevance. What kids/teens/adults liked 20 years ago, aren't the same from what they like today. It's simple logic, you appease the needs/wants of your demographic. If you can't attract their interest, you lose the audience.
 
Exactly on point, Matt. It sort of reminds me of the situation with WB and Katie Holmes on The Dark Knight.

Did people really think Katie Holmes turned down a film as massive as The Dark Knight is going to be for a comedy? Get real. The same will happen with Singer.
 
Notice how the article writes it? Dougherty and Harris weren't fired, they are just moving on to more directing gigs. Next you are going to see Singer get a new movie that he falls inlove with, so he leaves SR2. Then Warners just sweeps it under the carpet. That is how this works. It is a planned PR move so everyone involved saves face. Hell, Noveck's comments last week may have even been a planned part of this to keep the illusion that Warners was trying to work with Singer so no one is embarrassed by this.

I agree. So what's the percentage that we can put on Singer not being involved with SR2 anymore?
 
Did people really think Katie Holmes turned down a film as massive as The Dark Knight is going to be for a comedy? Get real. The same will happen with Singer.

That's what my argument was, for a small time Queen Latifah movie?
 
WOW!

I view this move as a GOOD thing.

If Singer is going to direct he needs better writers IF he is going to have chance to making a kick a$$ sequel.

I wonder who WB's has in mind?

Maybe Christopher McQuarrie? Steven Gaghan??

Maybe bring in Mark Waid as a consultant?

Does anyone have inside info on whether or not this is the first step of Singer not coming back as well or what other writers maybe brought onboard?
 
I agree. So what's the percentage that we can put on Singer not being involved with SR2 anymore?

Let's put it this way. He just got finished throwing NK into space and is now lying in the hospital with a Kryptonite Shard in his side.
 
I want Singer to return. But if he doesn't I'll be fine. I just want a sequel with Brandon as Superman and a really good director and script. And I do not want it rushed.
 
Drexx,

Let me ask you this, do you see New Line redoing The Lord of the Rings to keep it revelant another generation from now?

You'll probably answer no so what's the difference between Lord of the Rings or something like Star Wars and not Superman?

Hell, for my money, I want a redo of Spider-Man's origins based on Raimi's first film but I actually don't want it because it's been covered to somewhat universal praise...the same with Donner's Superman.
 
The article says nothing about Singer not out of the project yet (though I wouldn't be surprised) and it seems that the project is indeed moving forward. I am really hoping for a sequel and with new screenwriters on board (hopefully they'll be good), they'll take the good of Superman Returns and fix the flaws of the movie (needs more action and more Clark)
i agree....Singer can survive without harris and Dougherty provided they get good writers and Singer clicks with them.....i dont think things are dead.....infact things are gonna start to pick up actually
 
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