Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[buggs0268]

so they will stall, not make the movie and lose money by not having a superman movie so they can wait till he walks so they can then bring in one of the hacks that signed on to do GL or Flash?

Right now they are not happy with SR. And they know that a lot of Superman fans weren't and it had to crawl to 200 mill. It was supposed to be a tentpole for them and it wasn't. They lost money when you factor in advertising. So they really don't want a sequel, but they signed a developement deal for a smaller fee. if the film is greenlit, then he gets the big fee for directing and producing it. However, his deal is if he is fired from the project, he still is paid as if he wasn't anyway. Only if he walks do they not have to pay him any more then they have for development. if they fire him, they have to pay him his fee anyway. If he walks on his own, then they don't. He also had a percentage of the films profits from SR into his pocket, which the WB was not happy with as it underperformed. So they are not really happy with him at the moment, but they need him to testify for them so they are stringing him along. Trust me studios do this all the time. Same thing happened with Emmerich/Devlin and Godzilla 2. Almost exact same thing, except it was kept out of the trades as the trades knew the eventual outcome.

They put a lot of extra money advertising the film that they didn't want to, or think they woudl have to to get it to 200 mill dom.

 

[wellsy]

Right now they are not happy with SR. And they know that a lot of Superman fans weren't and it had to crawl to 200 mill. It was supposed to be a tentpole for them and it wasn't. They lost money when you factor in advertising. So they really don't want a sequel, but they signed a developement deal for a smaller fee. if the film is greenlit, then he gets the big fee for directing and producing it. However, his deal is if he is fired from the project, he still is paid as if he wasn't anyway. Only if he walks do they not have to pay him any more then they have for development. if they fire him, they have to pay him his fee anyway. If he walks on his own, then they don't. He also had a percentage of the films profits from SR into his pocket, which the WB was not happy with as it underperformed. So they are not really happy with him at the moment, but they need him to testify for them so they are stringing him along. Trust me studios do this all the time. Same thing happened with Emmerich/Devlin and Godzilla 2. Almost exact same thing, except it was kept out of the trades as the trades knew the eventual outcome.

They put a lot of extra money advertising the film that they didn't want to, or think they woudl have to to get it to 200 mill dom.

Please buggs. I know I live half way around the world, but how come my money is owrth less to WB execs than the US $? Or is it because we're smart and use different colours and sizes of plastic, rather than green paper (I kid, I kid). Seriously though, please stop ignoring the other $US190 million that they got from around the world. As I understand it, thats actually a fairly good international taking (even if the US box office was lacking).

Though as a tentpole, it may be considered a failure, as a movie on its own, it was successful.

Also, I believe that WB is jumping the gun signing directors to Flash and GL before JL has even started filming. To me, thats just asking for trouble. I also have said that if the script is half as bad as what has been leaked on the internet, then I'm not sure that it will be much more successful than SR all up (even if it takes $300 million at the US box office, I don't think it will go down well elsewhere). And if thats the case... then where are we in three years time?

WB is just making a pigsty of its franchises. Problems with SR can be fixed (and Singer knows they need them fixed) and can achieve a better US box office result, while still maintaining the attraction that saw the International taking almost hitting $US200 million. JL can be as much mindless action WB can cram in, but if there is horrid acting, then no amount of punches will save it from being just as much a tentpole failure as SR is considered to be.

I think WB execs need counselling for gambling...

 

[Angeloz]

Please buggs. I know I live half way around the world, but how come my money is owrth less to WB execs than the US $? Or is it because we're smart and use different colours and sizes of plastic, rather than green paper (I kid, I kid). Seriously though, please stop ignoring the other $US190 million that they got from around the world. As I understand it, thats actually a fairly good international taking (even if the US box office was lacking).

Though as a tentpole, it may be considered a failure, as a movie on its own, it was successful.

Also, I believe that WB is jumping the gun signing directors to Flash and GL before JL has even started filming. To me, thats just asking for trouble. I also have said that if the script is half as bad as what has been leaked on the internet, then I'm not sure that it will be much more successful than SR all up (even if it takes $300 million at the US box office, I don't think it will go down well elsewhere). And if thats the case... then where are we in three years time?

WB is just making a pigsty of its franchises. Problems with SR can be fixed (and Singer knows they need them fixed) and can achieve a better US box office result, while still maintaining the attraction that saw the International taking almost hitting $US200 million. JL can be as much mindless action WB can cram in, but if there is horrid acting, then no amount of punches will save it from being just as much a tentpole failure as SR is considered to be.

I think WB execs need counselling for gambling...

LOL on the gambling.

If they don't do a sequel then I think it crap. I know I'm not alone. I really want to see Singer and especially Routh back. Anyone else is second best to me.

Angeloz

 

[Porygon]

I just think it's pointless discussing studio politics and domestic/international gross, because when it all comes down to it, we just want another Superman movie.

We just want two different Superman movies.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Im sure we all want a good Superman movie. Wether from Singer or anybody else.

I dont want Snger back though cause i think he blew the first time. And he is probably fired right now...otherwise we would have a confirmation of some sorts on the sequel.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LOL on the gambling.

If they don't do a sequel then I think it crap. I know I'm not alone. I really want to see Singer and especially Routh back. Anyone else is second best to me.

Angeloz

Agreed, if Singer leaves, i will be gutted but still on board if they keep Routh, but if both leave, then i am officially not going to see the sequel.

 

[Super Kal]

I welcome a new movie if Singer is gone

 

[matthooper]

Although Singer had some script input, I never gave all the blame to Singer. Most of the blame lies with Dougherty and Harris and the WB for approving the film in the first place. However, since it's not the film that Singer and Co. promised the WB, I let the studio off the hook a bit on that one.

Dougherty and Harris along with their loose Donnerverse, lack of action, uninteresting story and cookie cutter characters are to blame. Singer can put a fine film together, that we know from his previous work. If we get a script from people who know who Superman is, and write an exciting screenplay, Singer can do fine. SR aside from the hoorid colors, looks like a good film, and Singer knows where the mistakes lie, and can come out swinging with a good script.

All that said, if a sequel is ever made, which I doubt. Singer isn't coming back. He had complete autonomy during SR and this time he will have no control. He is a successful director with an ego, he will never allow the studio to breathe down his neck for 3 months of filming and 6 months of post.

 

[buggs0268]

Please buggs. I know I live half way around the world, but how come my money is owrth less to WB execs than the US $? Or is it because we're smart and use different colours and sizes of plastic, rather than green paper (I kid, I kid). Seriously though, please stop ignoring the other $US190 million that they got from around the world. As I understand it, thats actually a fairly good international taking (even if the US box office was lacking).

Though as a tentpole, it may be considered a failure, as a movie on its own, it was successful.

Also, I believe that WB is jumping the gun signing directors to Flash and GL before JL has even started filming. To me, thats just asking for trouble. I also have said that if the script is half as bad as what has been leaked on the internet, then I'm not sure that it will be much more successful than SR all up (even if it takes $300 million at the US box office, I don't think it will go down well elsewhere). And if thats the case... then where are we in three years time?

WB is just making a pigsty of its franchises. Problems with SR can be fixed (and Singer knows they need them fixed) and can achieve a better US box office result, while still maintaining the attraction that saw the International taking almost hitting $US200 million. JL can be as much mindless action WB can cram in, but if there is horrid acting, then no amount of punches will save it from being just as much a tentpole failure as SR is considered to be.

I think WB execs need counselling for gambling...

Because there is a bigger split with the foreign box office. But what the industry up here recognizes as successful or not is the Domestic box office. That is just the way it is. And a film is really considered a hit by studios if it makes close to or over twice the production budget in domestic returns. That is just the state of the industry. Unless a movie takes in a really big amount oversees, if it doesn't do what is expected, or well domestically, then it is considered a failure. And it is no secret that the top brass at the WB consider SR a failure. That is pretty much fact. They wont come out and outright say it, but privately they have said it. And what they have come out and publically said is basically the same thing they saw when a film is considered a failure to them.

And the fact is that a lot of people here have been offering theories of what they think will happen based on some post of some guy who knows nothing about the industry says and everyone here congratulates him. And then that thing he said never happens. Showtime can verify that I have a good track record of predicting what will happen with this movie before the first one even came out. Everything I have said has happened. I know the inustry and how they do things.

 

[wellsy]

buggs, I'm not questioning your knowledge of the industry, or your predictions. Whatever happens, happens. I can't change the minds of the WB suits. I do happen to disagree with their decision, and I thought it only right to make that disagreement known.

What I am trying to say is that, epsecially with all the rumours around JL and the spin offs, WB is getting a long way ahead of itself, and it could easily ruin all its major superhero franchises in one fell swoop. Thats the last thing I want to see (and I'm sure we're both agreed on that). To me, that is just asking for trouble, and is threatening to really cause the company to struggle financially if they put money into developing films that never eventuate because their base was a flop.

I'm not saying JL will be a flop (I haven't got a crystal ball, unlike you buggs ), but I think a wait and see approach is definately more warranted with the JL spin offs than MoS. I think being the operative word.

But then again, if JL ends up being classified as Australian...

Or not .

 

[romeogbs19]

YAY!!!! I'm so glad those two are gone ... they might work for the X-Men but their SR script was terrible -- simply terrible.

 

[Porygon]

YAY!!!! I'm so glad those two are gone ... they might work for the X-Men but their SR script was terrible -- simply terrible.

Actually, their script was much better than the actual film itself.

 

[Sebastos]

I enjoyed both the script and the movie.

 

[Porygon]

I enjoyed both the script and the movie.

So did I.

 

[Super Kal]

I didn't... two down, one to go.

 

[Sebastos]

I didn't... two down, one to go.

To each their own kakarot.

But I'm ok with them leaving. I wouldn't mind a new director even though I liked what Singer did with his version of Superman.

 

[Nightwing1977]

But I'm ok with them leaving. I wouldn't mind a new director even though I liked what Singer did with his version of Superman.

Same here. It not like they did all movies with Singer & that Singer doesn't direct with any scripts from them. I'm curious to see if they hire Christopher McQuarrie & what his story will be if that happend.

 

[Sebastos]

Same here. It not like they did all movies with Singer & that Singer doesn't direct with any scripts from them. I'm curious to see if they hire Christopher McQuarrie & what his story will be if that happend.

Exactly. If Singer left, I would be interested as to what some of the other directors have in mind for Supes.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I didn't... two down, one to go.

lol.

Nice Kakarot.

As long as Routh stays I don't mind if Singer leaves.

 

[Super Kal]

I thoroughly enjoyed Routh... I want him to stay on.


the rest can leave.

 

[Showtime]

Kak is out as Braniac, that was just a rumor.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Kak is out as Braniac, that was just a rumor.

No wonder he's been messing with our mind. You weren't strong enough to use me, Kak.

 

[Roland]

I ran across the following while time travelling:


April 11, 2024

Variety reports that Warner Bros. is planning its fifteenth reboot of the "Superman" franchise.

WB studios spokesman Jerry Thunderkunt reports that studio execs are greenlighting another reboot of the ancient and enervated superhero franchise. "We've learned from the last fourteen critically panned flops which failed to recoup their initial budget," said Thunderkunt. "Clearly, audiences did not respond to the characterization of Lois Lane as a ****ed-up Jezebel attempting to seduce a bisexual autistic Man of Steel."

According to Thunderkunt, the WB Studio's nearly $320 billion combined loss on the past fourteen "Superman" trainwrecks has done nothing but steel studio executives' resolve to "buckle down, lay off the coke for fifteen minutes, and attempt to wring another dime from a bloodless and lifeless franchise."

"Clearly, having Superman undergo sexual transgendered reversal at the hands of Brainiac, travel back in time, impregnate himself, and then give birth to his own son who was--in fact---himself, confused audiences and accounted for the Burbank WB studios being firebombed by Underoo-wearing fanboys."

The Superman reboot saga goes back to the first decade of the century when forgotten director Bryan "Coxsman" Singer produced "Superman Returns" on a budget of over $200 million. The massively budgeted movie featured miniature train sets being destroyed by a home crystal-growing set, a super-powered bastard child, a seventeen-year-old Lois Lane, and a Superman on loan from the "Man-Hole" corner bar in San Francisco's Castro district. Years after the debacle, Singer remarked, "I was attempting to pull the greatest subversive act in the history of cinema: to slip right under the noses of unsuspecting straight Americans a totally gay superhero with virtually no interesting qualities, conflicts, or action. In the end, I simply made an unwatchable movie that sucked almighty balls."

 

[Angeloz]

Bugger and I was hoping for a "Superman :heart: 's Batman" film already.

Angeloz

 

[Milu]

Get Timm and Dini!!!!!