The Official Superman Fan Art & Manips Thread - Part 4

[The Red Hood]

'Symbolism'? Honestly, comic book fans are the only ones that take this stuff this seriously. The other portion of this film's audience, who will very likely already recognize Superman as a piece of Americana regardless, will still accept any new design as long as it doesn't look completely half-assed and void of the spirit of the character. Which means that as long as it has a cape, an S, and still follows the color palate of red/blue/yellow, it'll still be Superman to them. Everything else about the design is completely irrelevant.

They completely redesigned the Batsuit for the newer Batman films and no one, not a single member of the general audience has ever complained about the fact despite the character being iconic. Going back even further, the Batsuit for the Burton film was even more drastically redesigned because it was the first time Batman was ever presented with a completely black costume. Yet it never once hindered the consensus for those movies and their quality, nor was it unrecognizable as the character. It won't affect Superman in the least if his is similarly redone to such a degree.

As I pointed out in another post (maybe in the costume thread?), The Batman's costume can be modified (and quite radically in some cases) as long as the general silhouette is maintained, i.e., the appearance of a giant bat. This is created by the elements of that design which can never be sacrificed in a re-design: the "ears" and the scalloped cape.

With Superman, the trunks are a core element of the design. They are now known as part of Superman's look, regardless of why they were initially part of the design.

 

[sepharih]

^I challenge that. It is not the trunks, necessarily, which are a core element of the design, but rather the red which breaks up the blue of the suit. If you can find a way to do that without trunks, which I believe DC has, you can replace them.

 

[El Payaso]

As I pointed out in another post (maybe in the costume thread?), The Batman's costume can be modified (and quite radically in some cases) as long as the general silhouette is maintained, i.e., the appearance of a giant bat. This is created by the elements of that design which can never be sacrificed in a re-design: the "ears" and the scalloped cape.

Nevertheless it was never radically changed untill 1989. In fact nothing is radically changed untill it's radically changed.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

The biggest problem I have with every "redesign" is it's NOT a redesign. All they do is take away the trunks and BAM! brand new awesome suit. If you are going to change Superman's costume, you better use some imagination and come up with something special.

 

[Indy Flash]

The biggest problem I have with every "redesign" is it's NOT a redesign. All they do is take away the trunks and BAM! brand new awesome suit. If you are going to change Superman's costume, you better use some imagination and come up with something special.

I agree 100%

 

[El Payaso]

The biggest problem I have with every "redesign" is it's NOT a redesign. All they do is take away the trunks and BAM! brand new awesome suit. If you are going to change Superman's costume, you better use some imagination and come up with something special.

You add a couple of lines and two more centimeters of cloth and bam, hordes of fans go berserk screaming that he is NOT Superman!

Yoi can't go too far with the character in terms of changes.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Really? I think all his characters look like old, wrinkly people.

I agree. It's something about the way he renders their faces -- somewhat geriatric looking.

 

[SuperAl]

You add a couple of lines and two more centimeters of cloth and bam, hordes of fans go berserk screaming that he is NOT Superman!

fans will go berserk if you give them a costume identical to the classic look. Theyll scream, "why didnt you modernize it!!!??" if you modernize the costume they scream "why didnt you keep the classic look?!?!" there is no winning, someone will be pissed.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes, the fans are still b**ching about the SR costume and it featured red and blue, a cape, undies on the outside and the S shield. It looked like the classic f**king Superman costume and they keep talking about it like Singer and crew made Superman wear a red tutu.

 

[El Payaso]

fans will go berserk if you give them a costume identical to the classic look. Theyll scream, "why didnt you modernize it!!!??" if you modernize the costume they scream "why didnt you keep the classic look?!?!" there is no winning, someone will be pissed.

Yes, the fans are still b**ching about the SR costume and it featured red and blue, a cape, undies on the outside and the S shield. It looked like the classic f**king Superman costume and they keep talking about it like Singer and crew made Superman wear a red tutu.

Funny-because-it's-true thing.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

All I have to say is this.

If they are not using the classic suit with obvious updates such as fabric and whatnot but ultimately what you see in the comics "TODAY"...........they why the hell would they use the Christopher Reeve suit during auditions, and yes that was confirmed by Zack Snyder himself.

He said that they used the Chris Reeve suit for auditions, you cant audition someone in that suit to see how they'd look with it, and then go and change the whole thing around........that counters having them in it in the first place........you would have been better off just having someone wear a Superman T-Shirt instead.......

I hope we get a classic looking suit, I do not want to see the DCnU Reboot suit, if they fix the Superman Returns suit a bit then yes that actually would work rather well, just needs the right colors (there's a shocker right Singer), normal belt buckle, a wider collar, slighter bigger and "NON 3D S" on his chest and a yellow one on his cape..............and hell keep the boots if you want (those are either or on the changing list)..........that's pretty much it..........maybe toss in a slight change of fabric, but if not then what they used is fine.

 

[JAK®]

Yes, the fans are still b**ching about the SR costume and it featured red and blue, a cape, undies on the outside and the S shield. It looked like the classic f**king Superman costume and they keep talking about it like Singer and crew made Superman wear a red tutu.

The biggest complaint about the SR suit is that it is ugly, which I feel is a valid criticism.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

All I have to say is this.

If they are not using the classic suit with obvious updates such as fabric and whatnot but ultimately what you see in the comics "TODAY"...........they why the hell would they use the Christopher Reeve suit during auditions, and yes that was confirmed by Zack Snyder himself.

He said that they used the Chris Reeve suit for auditions, you cant audition someone in that suit to see how they'd look with it, and then go and change the whole thing around........that counters having them in it in the first place........you would have been better off just having someone wear a Superman T-Shirt instead.......

I hope we get a classic looking suit, I do not want to see the DCnU Reboot suit, if they fix the Superman Returns suit a bit then yes that actually would work rather well, just needs the right colors (there's a shocker right Singer), normal belt buckle, a wider collar, slighter bigger and "NON 3D S" on his chest and a yellow one on his cape..............and hell keep the boots if you want (those are either or on the changing list)..........that's pretty much it..........maybe toss in a slight change of fabric, but if not then what they used is fine.

They weren't going to make a brand new suit to screentest a bunch of actors. That would be ridiculously huge waste of time and money.

I don't know if they are keeping the undies or not but there is no way in hell that they are going to use Reeve's old suit. There will be some sort of update.

 

[JAK®]

I don't know if they are keeping the undies or not but there is no way in hell that they are going to use Reeve's old suit. There will be some sort of update.

I believe that was his overall point. Using the traditional design, like the Reeve suit, but with modern materials and streamlining.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Can I just say something in the midst of all this extremist madness...?

How do we go from 'cool looking poster' to 'Superman's suit must not change'.

It baffles me how silly people can be. It's just a fan made poster. It's the fan art thread. The person who made that poster is not neccesarily for or against changing the suit. You can have a modernised 's' for the poster without changing the classic suit look at all IMO.

I mean personally I am crossing me fingers that the images we've seen so far are going to be the starting point for the posters.

But if the posters are a black 's' on a red background, no one should be screaming 'nooooo Superman's costume should be red yellow and blue.' The two things are just unrelated IMO.

 

[Puckenstein]

Yes, the fans are still b**ching about the SR costume and it featured red and blue, a cape, undies on the outside and the S shield. It looked like the classic f**king Superman costume and they keep talking about it like Singer and crew made Superman wear a red tutu.

The reason fans b*tch about it is because they updated the classic suit poorly.

 

[BatmanInc]

That's mostly because in the eyes of some fanboys, every change or update is a poor one. Someone makes a manip of a suit with no undies, they say, "it's good, but put them on", or put them on themselves.

 

[The Red Hood]

All I have to say is this.

If they are not using the classic suit with obvious updates such as fabric and whatnot but ultimately what you see in the comics "TODAY"...........they why the hell would they use the Christopher Reeve suit during auditions, and yes that was confirmed by Zack Snyder himself.

He said that they used the Chris Reeve suit for auditions, you cant audition someone in that suit to see how they'd look with it, and then go and change the whole thing around........that counters having them in it in the first place........you would have been better off just having someone wear a Superman T-Shirt instead.......

I hope we get a classic looking suit, I do not want to see the DCnU Reboot suit, if they fix the Superman Returns suit a bit then yes that actually would work rather well, just needs the right colors (there's a shocker right Singer), normal belt buckle, a wider collar, slighter bigger and "NON 3D S" on his chest and a yellow one on his cape..............and hell keep the boots if you want (those are either or on the changing list)..........that's pretty much it..........maybe toss in a slight change of fabric, but if not then what they used is fine.

I hadn't heard this before. Do you have a link by chance?

 

[The Red Hood]

Never mind, I found it:

The new issue of Entertainment Weekly centers on upcoming superhero movies and features the first quotes from Henry Cavill on landing the lead role in Warner Bros.' new Superman movie. Here's an excerpt from the article:

Among the topics of discussion: Cavill’s audition, which included shooting a screen test wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit. “If you can put on that suit and pull it off,” says Snyder, ‘that’s an awesome achievement.” Cavill was feeling less than super in the moment, at least about his ability to fill out the costume: He had just finished shooting a film with Bruce Willis called The Cold Light Of Day, and the part required to him to shed the impressive abs of steel and muscle tone he had put on for the movie he made right before that, the forthcoming mythic fantasy Immortals. As an assistant helped to him put on the Super-suit, Cavill recalls: “All I could think was: Oh, god. They’re going to look at me and go ‘He’s not Superman. Not a chance.’ The actor inside me was going: You’re not ready! You’re not ready!” Snyder saw something — or rather someone — different. “He walked out, and no one laughed,” says the director. “Other actors put that suit on, and it’s a joke, even if they’re great actors. Henry put it on, and he exuded this kind of crazy-calm confidence that just made me go ‘Wow.’ Okay: This was Superman.’”

 

[El Payaso]

In Joker's words: "I just like the sound of it."

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

Never mind, I found it:

yep thats it lol (yea like I have to say that.......like ppl cant read lol)

@JAK®: yep exactly

 

[BatmanInc]

I'm trying to figure out what they mean by a Reeves costume replica. Did they use the same materials as the original, or the one they used in Returns? Because there is a big difference.

 

[Rust]

"He said that they used the Chris Reeve suit for auditions, you cant audition someone in that suit to see how they'd look with it, and then go and change the whole thing around........that counters having them in it in the first place........you would have been better off just having someone wear a Superman T-Shirt instead......."


That's not in the EW-article. Where'd you read that?

In the EW-article Snyder says about the new suit: "... it wont be a Reeve-replica", whatever that means.

 

[BatmanInc]

I mean for the test. Did they use a replica with the original materials, or with modern materials?

 

[Rust]

Original materials I reckon. For the most accurat comparison.