Sequels The Official The Lizard in Spider-Man 4 thread!

[Arcturus]

Just so long as the Lizard is the main villain in SM4, any secondary villain is fine by me.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah... we will probably get some oddball pairing like Lizard and Vulture.

I doubt that. The Lizard and Kraven make a great pairing. The Lizard and Vulture just sounds too weird.

 

[Arcturus]

The Lizard and Vulture pair, sounds like they're escaped animals from the local zoo.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

1. Would depicting Dr. Connors as a main character be a problem because of how Otto Octavius was changed to be more "Connors-like" in SM2? There'll be similarities, but here Connors wife won't die or his son as well. Raimi could maybe change it where in The Lizard's blind rage, not Connors, he accidentally kills his own family, and than like a werewolf he'd change back in the morning, returning to his house, only to find his wife and son brutally murdered. The police would believe some kind of animal came in and got them, which thus would strike Connors into trying to find a cure and redeem himself for his family's death.


2. What's up with that "I'm a physicist, not a biologist." line from Connors in SM3? The symbiote sparked the idea of him creating a regeneration serum that could regrow his arm.

3. Since a Lizard vs Kraven vs Spidey storyline is used in the Sony SM3 video game, does that mean that there's now less chance of it being used in an actual movie? The games would not have an affect on the movie. After all, Vulture was in the first movie game, but Raimi wanted to use him for movie 3. Now, of course Lizard is in the 3rd movie game, but everybody seems in agreement that he is movie 4's villain.

4. How should the Lizard's transformation and possible cure be handled in a film version? I agree with someone who said that the cure should only be temporary. The cure genetically could relapse and return back to his normal human self, but like "X3"'s ending with Magneto, Connors could like look down at his good arm and start to see little scales forming and sprouting out of his skin. I also think his transformation should be like what we saw in MTV's Spider-Man series where he makes a video-logue before testing out the serum, he then tests it, we see lightning flash and silouhettes of him changing, before finally we see a desk chair thrown at the camera, test tubes and beakers thrown off the desk and smashed on the floor, and than a scaly-tail leaving the lab room. Throughout the movie we'd see little glimpses of his snout, eyes, fangs, and claws, before finally getting a encounter with him in the sewers.

5. What secondary villain, if any, should be featured with the Lizard?
Kraven, followed by Scorpion. I really want to see JJ totally fed up with Spidey and pulling all the stops and money into bringing down the wallcrawler. Maybe he could think Spider-Man is responsible for The Lizard and thus sends Kraven and Scorpion after the both of them.


6. And of course, what should a movie Lizard look like? Tall,should have the ability of other lizards. I'd love to see where the Lizard could adapt to surroundings like a chameleon and hide, I'd loved for him to have the speed of a frilled lizard, I'd love for him to have a poisonous spit and tongue, and I want him to look like a cross between a raptor and a crocodile. if they can do all of that than mission accomplished.

To add onto my 5th one. I know alot of people think "3 villains are too much" but hear me out with my answer to the 5th question. I think it's time we get a really pissed off Jameson. Don't get me wrong I like comedic Jameson with his whole schtick and his yackety-yack-yack routine, but I would also like to see 'TAS' Jameson where he got so fed up with Spider-Man that he put a bounty on his head. In order to do this however, Spider-Man would have to be turned into a bad guy. Jameson would of course blame Peter for Connors' disappearance because he was the last one to be seen with Connors and the two are close pals and would have Mac Gargan follow him around to get a shot of "him with his hand caught in the cookie jar" as Jameson always says.

After a disturbance in the sewers and some construction crew men heard missing (possibly eaten), Parker goes to check out, Gargan follows and almost gets himself killed by Lizard, but is saved by Spider-Man. Lizard escapes. Spider-Man would then ask Gargan why the hell he was down here and Gargan would tell him he was other strict orders to find out if Parker had anything to do with Connors' disappearance.

Spider-Man would then do like he did to Brock's camera and smash it and tells Gargan, "Tell your boss to stop spying on my friend Parker..."

Unfortunately, Jameson doesn't take well to threats and forgets about Parker being involved and immediately assumes Spider-Man is involved with Connors' disappearance and this lizard creature roaming around New York. He then on the news makes a bounty on both of their heads to bring them in alive for cash payment of 1 million dollars. Kraven watching tentively accepts the challenge. Spider-Man is then named public enemy number one. Everybody starts coming after him. It's a madhouse really. But each one falls and fails, even Kraven, so then Jameson decides it's time he remove that bounty he had and puts all his money and effort in creating Scorpion using Gargan. Now, Spidey has to entangle with 3 villains!

 

[bananafish]

It's the fact that 2-3 villains don't work period, it's that it wasn't pulled off right or wasn't in the right movie. Batman Begins had arguably three villains (but most would say two), with Ra's al Ghul, the Scarecrow and Falcone. But all of them were extremely well fleshed out and did not seemed rushed.

If I had to put my finger on the things that led Raimi and co. astray with the multi-villain idea, the first would be that Venom doesn't fit that well with the idea of multiple villains (need time to both develop Brock and show off Venom).

Next, none of the enemies had any logical connection, just an "my enemy's enemy is my friend" type deal, which I'm not sure was the strongest possible option.

Also, you could have made arguments for two of them being the main villain, while the third (Venom) fought in the film's finale battle and killed a main character. Harry was the first fight, was an ominous presence because you weren't sure when he'd snap back, then tortured PP emotionally and had a pretty brutal fight in the mansion. Sandman had (I believe) the most fight scenes with Spidey, seemed pretty fleshed out and such.

I don't really know where this post went.

 

[Cyrusbales]

For the sake of the film and characterisation, I feel Conners should be more established first, like they should have done with eddie brock. So have Conners as a more important character in SM4, and slowly show him dabbling into regeneration etc(even though he's a physicist in movie-verse????), and then the impact of Parker's friend and mentor being reduced to a beast would be a lot more worthwhile, and have that happen in SM5!

Have two villains in SM4, maybe even a third who is a throwaway token, as in an action sequence at the begining etc. Then, have just the lizard in SM5 and show the emotional and physical implications, we should see him family and things in SM4, so we get a feel he's a character, not a plot device.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Guy has been in two movies already, and Ock needed no prior exposure to work.

Connors would be fine to do now. No more exposure needed.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Lizard has the ability to be his most deadly foe, what's worse than fighting youre best friend? your long time mentor and a guy who helps you out?

We're just gonna get Venom again, where it feels hugely underdeveloped and is only a shadow of what it could be.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That is why (like Ock) you have character scenes establishing him before his turn.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

For the sake of the film and characterisation, I feel Conners should be more established first, like they should have done with eddie brock. So have Conners as a more important character in SM4, and slowly show him dabbling into regeneration etc(even though he's a physicist in movie-verse????), and then the impact of Parker's friend and mentor being reduced to a beast would be a lot more worthwhile, and have that happen in SM5!

Have two villains in SM4, maybe even a third who is a throwaway token, as in an action sequence at the begining etc. Then, have just the lizard in SM5 and show the emotional and physical implications, we should see him family and things in SM4, so we get a feel he's a character, not a plot device.

Dr. Connors Character has already been established for the past 2 Films. Spidey4 is the right time for Dr. Connors to become the Lizard. Sam even said Himself that with Dylan Bakers patience He deserves a Villanous pay off. And quite frankly I couldn't agree more with Sam. You can also count Spidey1 for the establisment of Dr. Connors because afterall they did mention Him in Spidey1. Dr. Connors even had Lizard experiments in His lab which hinted the Lizard. There really is no need for more establishment so us fans think it's time for him to become the Lizard. I think Eddie Brock was established perfectley in Spidey3. they told His story and then in the final battle they gave us Venom which I thought was awesome.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Ock was ONE villain, most people are expecting at least 2 villains in SM4, if you have JUST the Lizard, then yeah, that could work, there's a lot of pieces to be picked up from SM3, so it would work with the Lizard appearing about 2/3rds of the way through, but I imagine that they'll just go overboard with underdeveloped characters again. He was talking bout the sinister six, so he's seriously dropped the ball now....

 

[Cyrusbales]

Dr. Connors Character has already been established for the past 2 Films. Spidey4 is the right time for Dr. Connors to become the Lizard. Sam even said Himself that with Dylan Bakers patience He deserves a Villanous pay off. And quite frankly I couldn't agree more with Sam. You can also count Spidey1 for the establisment of Dr. Connors because afterall they did mention Him in Spidey1. Dr. Connors even had Lizard experiments in His lab which hinted the Lizard. There really is no need for more establishment so us fans think it's time for him to become the Lizard.

Establishment, like less than 5 mins in 2 films? eek!

 

[bananafish]

I don't think fighting a "guy that helps you out" is worse than fighting your best friend.

The Lizard is (most likely) not going to be the under-developed character if there is one in S-M4. There's not even that much to develop left. We already know they have a relatively close relationship for teacher-student. Put the family in one of the first few scenes. Work with PP on the serum. More family? Use the serum. Change to the Lizard. Smack people up. Remorse for actions while being the Lizard slash not wanting to harm family switching back and forth with bloodthirst. Actual bloodthirst. Spidey looks out for family, etc,.

With a talented screenwriter and director, its pretty cut and dry. If need be, stick Kraven (or another baddie that can be connected to the story or theme) in there. But IF there's another villain, they will probably be the underdeveloped one.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I don't think fighting a "guy that helps you out" is worse than fighting your best friend.

The Lizard is (most likely) not going to be the under-developed character if there is one in S-M4. There's not even that much to develop left. We already know they have a relatively close relationship for teacher-student. Put the family in one of the first few scenes. Work with PP on the serum. More family? Use the serum. Change to the Lizard. Smack people up. Remorse for actions while being the Lizard slash not wanting to harm family switching back and forth with bloodthirst. Actual bloodthirst. Spidey looks out for family, etc,.

With a talented screenwriter and director, its pretty cut and dry. If need be, stick Kraven (or another baddie that can be connected to the story or theme) in there. But IF there's another villain, they will probably be the underdeveloped one.

Well, you can morph Conners into an Uncle Ben like character, guiding peter like he tried to do in SM3, have more of that, and yeah, he'll be the nearest thing he has to a living father figure, bringing back in a reason for the villain.

We haven't seen anything of Conners outside of 3 VERY short scenes, don't know anything about the man or what he's like in his personal life and his family etc.....and how does he go from physicist to experimental biologist doing work that even the top biologists who spent their whole lives working on this can't do???

 

[Grievous]

I hope The Lizard is in SM4

 

[Ratcrawler]

Regarding his transformation, I'd like to see him grow more monstrous throughout the film. Starts out looking a bit like a sleestak, progresses to the Ditko design, moves onto the Ultimate look before culminating into something resembling the MTV series version. The idea of a 20 foot long reptile chasing sPidey across the city skyline kind of appeals to me. Plus, I'd like to see an action sequence at the Zoo.

And yeah, Kraven would be my second choice.

 

[bananafish]

Regarding his transformation, I'd like to see him grow more monstrous throughout the film. Starts out looking a bit like a sleestak, progresses to the Ditko design, moves onto the Ultimate look before culminating into something resembling the MTV series version. The idea of a 20 foot long reptile chasing sPidey across the city skyline kind of appeals to me. Plus, I'd like to see an action sequence at the Zoo.

And yeah, Kraven would be my second choice.

 

[Spidey]

Regarding his transformation, I'd like to see him grow more monstrous throughout the film. Starts out looking a bit like a sleestak, progresses to the Ditko design, moves onto the Ultimate look before culminating into something resembling the MTV series version. The idea of a 20 foot long reptile chasing sPidey across the city skyline kind of appeals to me. Plus, I'd like to see an action sequence at the Zoo.

And yeah, Kraven would be my second choice.

Nice, I'd get behind a concept like that.

 

[Visionary]

No freakin' ZOO action sequence, no thanks you damn dirty ape!

Maybe an action sequence inside an extinct animal themed museum, but no zoo.

 

[Spiderine]

I will take Lizard and the guy that will try to hunt and murder the beast. Thank you.

 

[george costanza]

I can't see Lizard pairing up with anybody to fight Spidey. And with all the talk of Kraven, why wouldn't we have him and Chameleon fight against Spidey together? I mean, they ARE half brothers, so Raimi could do his own little family segment on them and then possibly form some sort of plot around that...

Who knows, just throwing that out there...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Chameleon doesn't have a good enough storyline to actually be in a Spidey Film. I mean He's a unique Villian in the Comics but on Film I don't think He would work. Not to mention He has no Superpowers so He can't really fight. Remember in Amazing Spider-man Issue #15 how Kraven got defeated by Spidey and Kraven was arrested and how the Chameleon just got defeated instantly whe Spidey started to chase Him? thats why He's not really a great enough Villian that could put up a challenge for Spidey unless He has thugs or something but even then Spidey could just take out the thugs. And besides, Chameleon just changing disguises wouldn't really help the Chameleon because Spideys Spider sense can sense it. The Lizard and Kraven should be the only two Villians in Spidey4 and then for Spidey5, Electro, Mysterio, and Vulture, or something like that.

 

[Spiderine]

I can't see Lizard pairing up with anybody to fight Spidey. And with all the talk of Kraven, why wouldn't we have him and Chameleon fight against Spidey together? I mean, they ARE half brothers, so Raimi could do his own little family segment on them and then possibly form some sort of plot around that...

Who knows, just throwing that out there...

The Lizard is not teaming with anyone. He is out of control rampaging in the city. The dynamics and uniqueness of the story is its a villain against a villain against Spiderman. It is very different and something we have not seen. Kraven trying to kill Lizard and Spiderman trying to help him. Spiderman is caught in the middle. And Chameleon and Kraven should never have a relationship[ at all.

 

[Eternalzero]

love the lizard, unfortunately, he'll mostly be CG'ed which is pretty sucky. Was watching the hulk and Fully CF characters really aren't that cool in a hand to hand, agility, combat that we would see in a spider-lizard fight.

Venom was a great mixture of the two, oh well I suppose....

 

[Sebastos]

Lizard needs to happen in the 4th film. He's been Conners in all three films, so the next one would be the right time for him to finally be the Lizard. And I agree, he should be the main villain.