The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Guy above just said the no name actor who played Loki had a performance on par with Ledger's Dark Knight Joker ...

But easily better than Nicholson's Joker.

Didn't even catch this reponse.

All I have to say is I nor Mr. Tate brought up Ledger. I don't even know why one would bring Ledger's performance up when talking about Thor.

 

[TerryTate]

It's so ridiculous that I couldn't even respond to it. Now I thought that the guy gave a good performance but it's nowhere near Ledger levels. That is fanboy hyperbole speaking...IMHO.

It's utterly ridiculous. And this isn't an issue of preferance or opinion.

You ask any cinema critic which performance was more layered, memorable, and just down right more impactful in every way ... between Ledger's Joker and "no name" as Loki in Thor.

They will look at you and laugh for even making such a claim.

Mere images of Ledger as the Joker haunted people's minds for years. People dressed up as him and commited actual crimes lol

 

[Chewy]

Mere images of Ledger as the Joker haunted people's minds for years. People dressed up as him and commited actual crimes lol

Ruffalol

Weren't you just talking about fanboy hyperbole?

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's utterly ridiculous. And this isn't an issue of preferance or opinion.

You ask any cinema critic which performance was more layered, memorable, and just down right more impactful in every way ... between Ledger's Joker and "no name" as Loki in Thor.

They will look at you and laugh for even making such a claim.

Mere images of Ledger as the Joker haunted people's minds for years. People dressed up as him and commited actual crimes lol

So, you're basically saying critics know what is quality or not. That opinions are right or wrong based on what select people believe.

That is stupid.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's utterly ridiculous. And this isn't an issue of preferance or opinion.

You ask any cinema critic which performance was more layered, memorable, and just down right more impactful in every way ... between Ledger's Joker and "no name" as Loki in Thor.

They will look at you and laugh for even making such a claim.

Mere images of Ledger as the Joker haunted people's minds for years. People dressed up as him and commited actual crimes lol

I just don't know why people can't compliment a performance without making asinine comparasions.

One way or the other Batman is always brought up, one doesn't even need a legit reason to bring it up.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It's utterly ridiculous. And this isn't an issue of preferance or opinion.

You ask any cinema critic which performance was more layered, memorable, and just down right more impactful in every way ... between Ledger's Joker and "no name" as Loki in Thor.

They will look at you and laugh for even making such a claim.

Mere images of Ledger as the Joker haunted people's minds for years. People dressed up as him and commited actual crimes lol

Wow, are you Michelle Williams or something? Someone has an opinion on the internet that's different to your own. Can you stop being such a *****e?

 

[TerryTate]

Fame = talent?

Wait, wait ... Ledger didn't have talent? Nicholson didn't have talent?

They are more talented actors than anyone in Thor.



And at no point was I the one who brought up Ledger's Joker.

Just addressing the ridiculous statements made by some overzealous comic book fanboys.

That's not being a snob, I'm just sober on the movie, its performances, etc and being realistic about what it actually is as a film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just don't know why people can't compliment a performance without making asinine comparasions.

One way or the other Batman is always brought up, one doesn't even need a legit reason to bring it up.

I didn't make the comparison. I'm just defending the right of the user who did to make the comparison. It's his opinion. He is allowed to.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Wait, wait ... Ledger didn't have talent? Nicholson didn't have talent?

They are more talented actors than anyone in Thor.

You called Loki's actor a "no name" as if his fame mattered to his perfomance. Your fault dude.

some overzealous comic book fanboys.

Oh the irony!

 

[Chewy]

Wait, wait ... Ledger didn't have talent? Nicholson didn't have talent?

They are more talented actors than anyone in Thor.



And at no point was I the one who brought up Ledger's Joker.

Just addressing the ridiculous statements made by some overzealous comic book fanboys.

That's not being a snob, I'm just sober on the movie, its performances, etc and being realistic about what it actually is as a film.

The implication in your post was that Hiddleston lacked fame so it was impossible that his performance matched the others. Which is, of course, both snobby and stupid.

And again, hyperbole much?

 

[TerryTate]

One way or the other Batman is always brought up, one doesn't even need a legit reason to bring it up.

Because everyone tries to use it as a measuring stick, because it's pretty much widely regarded as the best "comic book" franchise movie of all-time. With haunting performances, an intelligent script, and the whole nine yards of film making.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that it's fine that he has a different opinion but I don't agree with it. And I'm not even an overzealous TDK fangirl. I'm one of the few who thinks that that film has deep flaws but Ledger's performance wasn't one of those IMHO.

Now if Stark said that he prefered Hemsworth performance to Bale's in both Batman movies, I would actually agree with him.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Iron Man and Spider-Man 1's action scenes weren't really all that impressive, I'll say the Frost Giant battle eclipses anything in both of those films.

Well I guess I was expecting more action since that's what one expects from a comic book movie.

And that isn't to say that more action might've made the film better but we could've done with less of Asgard, I don't maybe it's just me like I said I'm not a big fan of Thor.

EDIT: I also thought that Thor's action scenes were terrible. Not just okay like some movies but down right terrible. Not that the action scene makes the movie because if that were the case TDK would have been a bad film.

You're right, about the action I mean and since you brought up TDK even thought I wasn't comparing any DC comics film the action didn't make the film good it was the performances and story something which Thor had but in tiny quantities kind of like the studio was holding itself back and didn't want too dark of a movie that would traumatize the kiddies buying Happy Meals.

 

[TerryTate]

The implication in your post was that Hiddleston lacked fame so it was impossible that his performance matched the others

No I was just laughing at the situation of saying this new comer had a superior performance to two legends of the business.

Not just because he's new, or name less but because his performance is just suitable at best.

And people running around here proclaiming on par's with Ledger's Joker.

I'm not being snobby, I'm just saying really? Look at how ridiculous some of you sound.

"I SEE SPIDEY" is clearly sane and realistic about this as well.

 

[DigificWriter]

TerryTate and I SEE SPIDEY, you're both entitled to your opinions, but dismissing the opposing opinion(s) using terms like 'ridiculous' and 'asinine' really make the both of you come across as arrogant and vain, and are indicative of an 'I know better than you' attitude.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

But it would have been unrealistic for the relationship to be any deeper than it was after only a few days. It was just a fun flirty start to a relationship as a side story in the movie. It resonates because there's a palpable chemistry between the actors and it feels genuine.

The whole movie is unrealistic, just like movies in general are. When people see movies, they want movies to entertain them with a version of "reality" which is more interesting, fun, and involved than actual reality.

Complaining about how the romance didn't go as far as we wanted is really no different than someone complaining about a fight scene not going as far as they wanted. The most realistic fight scene is where one guy sneaks up on the other guy and takes him down with a single crippling or killing blow. Quick, efficient, no nonsense. That's also totally lame from a movie perspective.

People are used to seeing romances where the characters feel something more than just attraction. When they actually have shared interests or outlooks, and help or complement each other in some way. So when they see a big blockbuster movie that spends time on "romantic" scenes that don't really go anywhere, they're naturally going to feel that that aspect of the movie was a bit lacking.

 

[Chewy]

No I was just laughing at the situation of saying this new comer had a superior performance to two legends of the business.

Not just because he's new, or name less but because his performance is just suitable at best.

And people running around here proclaiming on par's with Ledger's Joker.

I'm not being snobby, I'm just saying really? Look at how ridiculous some of you sound.

"I SEE SPIDEY" is clearly sane and realistic about this as well.

Please stop posting incredible snobbish remarks and then insisting that you aren't being a snob.

Hiddleston is not a newcomer, nor is Ledger a legend.

Yes, I SEE SPIDEY is being very sensible and sane. You however, are not living up to her example.

 

[DigificWriter]

The whole movie is unrealistic, just like movies in general are. When people see movies, they want movies to entertain them with a version of "reality" which is more interesting, fun, and involved than actual reality.

Complaining about how the romance didn't go as far as we wanted is really no different than someone complaining about a fight scene not going as far as they wanted. The most realistic fight scene is where one guy sneaks up on the other guy and takes him down with a single crippling or killing blow. Quick, efficient, no nonsense. That's also totally lame from a movie perspective.

People are used to seeing romances where the characters feel something more than just attraction. When they actually have shared interests or outlooks, and help or complement each other in some way. So when they see a big blockbuster movie that spends time on "romantic" scenes that don't really go anywhere, they're naturally going to feel that that aspect of the movie was a bit lacking.

That seems somewhat weird to me, since you'd think that people would want romance - especially in a comic book movie - to be fairly realistic and indicative of real life, as opposed to being idealized.

 

[TerryTate]

TerryTate and I SEE SPIDEY, you're both entitled to your opinions, but dismissing the opposing opinion(s) using terms like 'ridiculous' and 'asinine' really make the both of you come across as arrogant and vain, and are indicative of an 'I know better than you' attitude.

But calling us snobby or vein (you don't even know me) and entering the realm of literal personal put downs is what exactly?

I was replying to what I felt (and is) a ridiculous statement ...

Sorry I felt the need to defend a superior product from people making wildly hyperbolic statements.

 

[Tony Stark]

Wow ... just, wow.

And this exactly what I'm talking about.

Though par for the course from someone who last year said Iron Man 2 > Iron Man after its release, and then seemingly has subsequently re-nigged on that asinine statement.

I don't know whose a bigger clown with a statement like that ... you or the Joker.

Dios Mio this one is a looney

Please go quote where I said IM2 was better than IM1. Go ahead, I dare you. We'll wait.....because I never said it you ass clown.

You're a world class ****

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

lol You are more blunt than I am Mace. Overall I would have been fine with the kiddie nature of the film if I felt that it had soul and wasn't sooo product based. (Come see the Avenger's kids!!!)

I'm not going to praise a film because it "could've been worse." I'm happy for those who loved the film, really happy but yeah, it didn't do enough for me.

I realize that these are controversial feelings in this extremely positive thread and I'm sure someone is going to ignore what I said, go off topic and the bash Spider-Man movies (I'll bash the 3rd one with you) to make themselves feel better about my opinion. I would like it if we stayed on topic though and had a good talk about Thor.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No I was just laughing at the situation of saying this new comer had a superior performance to two legends of the business.

Not just because he's new, or name less but because his performance is just suitable at best.

And people running around here proclaiming on par's with Ledger's Joker.

I'm not being snobby, I'm just saying really? Look at how ridiculous some of you sound.

"I SEE SPIDEY" is clearly sane and realistic about this as well.

THIS is exactly why the sound sounding ridiculous is you. It's not that you disagree with someone else's opinion, it is how you choose to carry yourself in this discussion that does. You're not making points other than Loki was played by a no name and people thinking his performance was anywhere near Ledgers makes people idiots. That is A-insulting and B-stupid. It's an opinion someone shared. Be respectful and deal with it.

It's one thing to disagree and be constructive. It is another to just be snooty about it.

 

[Gamma Burst]

No I was just laughing at the situation of saying this new comer had a superior performance to two legends of the business.

Not just because he's new, or name less but because his performance is just suitable at best.

And people running around here proclaiming on par's with Ledger's Joker.

I'm not being snobby, I'm just saying really? Look at how ridiculous some of you sound.

"I SEE SPIDEY" is clearly sane and realistic about this as well.

.

You're the only one being ridiculous here.

 

[DigificWriter]

TerryTate, you're right that I don't know you personally, which is why I can only judge you based on your behavior. You claim you're not acting like an arrogant and vain snob, and yet your comments and the way you comport yourself belay that. If you don't want to be accused of being arrogant and vain, don't act/comment in a manner that makes you come across that way.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I have to say that this is an epic ****storm and that i am thoroughly enjoying it laughing my ass off!

Good job Tate!