The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[piccolo]

The way I see it is that, in this movie Loki went from a brother and son who felt slighted, to someone who actually ascended to the throne and got a taste of what it feels like to wield tremendous powers. This is the beginning of Lok's journey to the darkness, and since he will be appearing in the Avengers, I think it is safe to speculate that Loki will eventually become the villain that he is in the comic universe.

Btw, I don't think sympathetic villains are bad; I think Doc Ock was more sympathetic when he was in the Spider-man comics, yet he was the best villain in the trilogy. It is when they have overdone it, like what Raimi did to Sandman in Spider-man 3, when it becomes a problem. I thought Branagh made Loki into a complex villain but in the end you want Thor to take him down for his actions. I think such complexity will only serve to create nuisances in this movie for us to appreciate.

A great villain is a great villain, whether he's sympathetic or not. I didn't say sympathetic villains were bad either, I said I thought Loki was too sympathetic.

You can have that quality in a villain, but at a certain point the villain is no longer a villain, and is more just a character. Which isn't necessarily bad, its just not what I preferred from Loki.

Loki was a great character. But a mild villain.

 

[Raiden]

A great villain is a great villain, whether he's sympathetic or not. I didn't say sympathetic villains were bad either, I said I thought Loki was too sympathetic.

You can have that quality in a villain, but at a certain point the villain is no longer a villain, and is more just a character. Which isn't necessarily bad, its just not what I preferred from Loki.

Loki was a great character. But a mild villain.

I don't really see that as a problem with Loki, because he was the brother of Thor and not just a random madman who wanted world dominance. And besides, I think Loki will become an even bigger villain in the Avengers, and it will be great due to the journey that he has taken to that position.

 

[Stringer]

I thought it was good but way too short. There was a lot of missing character development and I wish Thor and Loki had more scenes together. I also the special effects were pretty bad.

 

[BestGirl]

I think the only problem with Loki, which wasnt in the character himself because he was great, was part of his plot. I think his scheme wouldve been better if it involved humans more.
I didnt really care that much that Loki was killing the Frost Giants

True. The Frost Giants either needed to be made more sympathetic or Loki should've had some horrible plan involving destroying Earth. His actual evil schemes were pretty lame compared to some other evil villains.

The only other problem I had with Loki is that he wasn't particularly frightening. I can't recall ever feeling nervous while watching him on screen. The closest I came to that was when he threatened Jane. I know he was supposed to be sympathetic and all but there needed to be more of those kind of moments.

 

[nouan]

True. The Frost Giants either needed to be made more sympathetic or Loki should've had some horrible plan involving destroying Earth. His actual evil schemes were pretty lame compared to some other evil villains.

The only other problem I had with Loki is that he wasn't particularly frightening. I can't recall ever feeling nervous while watching him on screen. The closest I came to that was when he threatened Jane. I know he was supposed to be sympathetic and all but there needed to be more of those kind of moments.

To me, there was no sense of danger, ever, when it came to Loki and his plans. The pacing of the movie was just too damn fast to create any kind of tension.

This movie really lacked the epic. I mean like the scene after the fight with the destroyer. Thor goes to "son of coul" and is just like "Yeah we are on the same side but now I gotta fly bye." There should have been longer moment where these people are at awe that there's a goddamn god of thunder standing in front of them! But Thor was in a hurry in that scene, just like the movie itself.

 

[BoredGuy]

I dunno, i think if his very presence was unsettling throughout the whole film, it would hinder his ability to be deceptive.

You can't manipulate people if you creep them out.

And while his plans may not have been as dangerous to earth as, say... whatever Doom's plan was in FF1... they made perfect sense to his character. I'd rather be able to understand evil schemes, than to have them be epic yet idiotic

 

[nouan]

And while his plans may not have been as dangerous to earth as, say... whatever Doom's plan was in FF1... they made perfect sense to his character. I'd rather be able to understand evil schemes, than to have them be epic yet idiotic

I think he's plan was epic as an idea. He was going to destroy Jotunheim with a huge laser, if you will. That's like from some Bond movie. But I really didn't care about what is going to happen to the frost giants, because they didn't seem to have any importance in the universe. Nor did they have any redeeming qualaties that would make you feel sorry that they are going to be whiped out.

 

[Project862006]

I loved this movie and i will say one thing her character might not of been extremely deep but i love jane foster and casting portman was genius casting because i dont know what it was but Natalie is extremely likable and real. So i loved that and it made it easy to see why thor would fall for her and Natalie was'nt all dolled up either which was cool she felt like a real person.

 

[Tony Stark]

There was no need to make the Frost Giants sympathetic. The reason Thor stopped Loki was because of what Odin said, "a king never seeks out war".

I don't think anyone wants a movie where everything is spoon fed to them. The best movies often complement the viewer's intellegence to make conclusions on their own. Laufey told Thor exactly what he wanted to know, there was a traiter in the house of Odin. He honored the truce by allowing Thor to leave freely, even though Thor already broke the truce.

Loki too sympathetic? Frost Giants not sympathetic enough? <shakes head>

 

[ikill4adollar]

i don't think the point was to ''feel'' for the frost giants. i think the point is to realise how far loki has lost it because he is willing to destroy an entire world to make a point. just like thor said: you can't kill an entire race and he is right. no matter who they are as a people its just not right to kill them all.


anyway thats what i got from it and that made me realise how evil loki had really become.

 

[Kirmit]

I thought it was good but way too short. There was a lot of missing character development and I wish Thor and Loki had more scenes together. I also the special effects were pretty bad.

Really? What parts did you find bad? That was one area I particularly felt it excelled.

 

[MadVillainy]

The only part they looked bad to me was when Thor was flying through Asgard. Other than that it looked great to me

 

[Raiden]

i don't think the point was to ''feel'' for the frost giants. i think the point is to realise how far loki has lost it because he is willing to destroy an entire world to make a point. just like thor said: you can't kill an entire race and he is right. no matter who they are as a people its just not right to kill them all.


anyway thats what i got from it and that made me realise how evil loki had really become.

I also think that targeting frost giants make sense because it was like the role reversal for Thor & Loki, because Thor was perfectly happy to destroy any frost giants early on, but it was Loki who not only wanted to destroy them but also decided to commit a genocide.

 

[GhostPoet]

Not to mention the significant fact that Loki wanted to kill his OWN race.

 

[ladyloki]

I also think that targeting frost giants make sense because it was like the role reversal for Thor & Loki, because Thor was perfectly happy to destroy any frost giants early on, but it was Loki who not only wanted to destroy them but also decided to commit a genocide.

I agree ... Thor was on a mission at the beginning of the movie to fight and destroy any frost giants he could , loki was the one that suggested they should leave and not fight .. However that all changed and I think the turning point on loki's part was one he wanted to finally put an end to them and please odin and two

Spoiler

he found out that he was the son of the king who left him to die because he was born a runt and that enraged him , so it was like killing two birds with one stone

 

[Spider-X]

Not to mention the significant fact that Loki wanted to kill his OWN race.

He didn't care, he wanted to prove to his father that he was a worthy son and successor to the throne.

 

[Spider-X]

Spoiler

he found out that he was the son of the king who left him to die because he was born a runt and that enraged him , so it was like killing two birds with one stone

Good call!

 

[hame4479]

There was no need to make the Frost Giants sympathetic. The reason Thor stopped Loki was because of what Odin said, "a king never seeks out war".

I don't think anyone wants a movie where everything is spoon fed to them. The best movies often complement the viewer's intellegence to make conclusions on their own. Laufey told Thor exactly what he wanted to know, there was a traiter in the house of Odin. He honored the truce by allowing Thor to leave freely, even though Thor already broke the truce.

Loki too sympathetic? Frost Giants not sympathetic enough? <shakes head>

Exactly you don't have to feel for the giants to know that wiping them and their world off the face of the universe is completely wrong.

 

[BigThor]

There was no need to make the Frost Giants sympathetic. The reason Thor stopped Loki was because of what Odin said, "a king never seeks out war".

I don't think anyone wants a movie where everything is spoon fed to them. The best movies often complement the viewer's intellegence to make conclusions on their own. Laufey told Thor exactly what he wanted to know, there was a traiter in the house of Odin. He honored the truce by allowing Thor to leave freely, even though Thor already broke the truce.

Loki too sympathetic? Frost Giants not sympathetic enough? <shakes head>

Agreed, it just goes to show that no matter how well done a villain is there's always gonna be people that think otherwise .

 

[Bren]

I think he's plan was epic as an idea. He was going to destroy Jotunheim with a huge laser, if you will. That's like from some Bond movie. But I really didn't care about what is going to happen to the frost giants, because they didn't seem to have any importance in the universe. Nor did they have any redeeming qualaties that would make you feel sorry that they are going to be whiped out.

I kinda agree, but I also got the feeling through the film, that they may or may not have been screwed over by Odin. So I always saw them at least feeling they had genuine grievances.

So I felt sorry for them too. In a way. Kinda. Sort of. Slightly.

While I think I enjoyed the film a bit more than you (I enjoyed it a lot), I agree that there were certain 'moment' scenes in the film they had to hit; Odin casting Thor out and Thor failing at lifting the hammer were good examples (for me) where they got it right.

However, his transformation back into Thor, and the people's reactions were pretty darn poor. Honestly, Batman would probably get a bigger OMG reaction than Thor got, and he's just a guy with some issues and nifty gadgets !

 

[nouan]

Exactly you don't have to feel for the giants to know that wiping them and their world off the face of the universe is completely wrong.

Well I kinda saw them as completely expendable. They were like the orcs in LOTR. They were just plain evil. The king of frost giants aparently raped? some asgardian or midgardian, and when she gave birth to Loki, he threw that half-blooded bastard in the snow. And it's not like the midgardians were threatning they're borders or anything to make them so aggressive. So they were completely evil. At least that's what the movie tells you about them. So why care if they die? But this was a problem in the movie only I seem to have. Along with other things that I have already pointed out before. Heh.

 

[nouan]

However, his transformation back into Thor, and the people's reactions were pretty darn poor. Honestly, Batman would probably get a bigger OMG reaction than Thor got, and he's just a guy with some issues and nifty gadgets !

Indeed!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Loved the film overall... the beginning (wannable War of the Ring battle) was shaky but it was all smooth sailing for me once it hit the present day. Loved Hemsworth... he was great as the arrogant son, the fish out of water and eventually, the compassionate hero. Hiddleston was brilliant as the devious and power-hungry (but still sympathetic) Loki. And Portman did a great mix of the real, rational character and the awestruck romantic. Also loved Colm Feore (didn't even recognize him) as the Frost Giant king. He reminded me of the final boss you have to fight in any really good Forgotten Realms video game. Some of the characters and their purposes/motivations were a bit confusing (I'm not well-versed on Thor the comic, or on Norse mythology) but it was still easy enough to follow. All-in-all, I'd say it's one of the best superhero films to date and I can't wait for The Avengers and Thor 2.

 

[Raiden]

Well I kinda saw them as completely expendable. They were like the orcs in LOTR. They were just plain evil. The king of frost giants aparently raped? some asgardian or midgardian, and when she gave birth to Loki, he threw that half-blooded bastard in the snow. And it's not like the midgardians were threatning they're borders or anything to make them so aggressive. So they were completely evil. At least that's what the movie tells you about them. So why care if they die? But this was a problem in the movie only I seem to have. Along with other things that I have already pointed out before. Heh.

I don't see the frost giants as completely evil, and if they were they won't have honored the truce after Thor pretty much thrashed their homeworld. And they were on a mission to retrieve their chest, taken by Odin in the last war, and not to slaughter random Asgardians. I don't see how they were depicted as mindless, faceless evil like the orcs and uruk-hai from LOTR.

 

[nouan]

I don't see the frost giants as completely evil, and if they were they won't have honored the truce after Thor pretty much thrashed their homeworld. And they were on a mission to retrieve their chest, taken by Odin in the last war, and not to slaughter random Asgardians. I don't see how they were depicted as mindless, faceless evil like the orcs and uruk-hai from LOTR.

They didn't honor the truce. Laufey said that Thor wants war and he shall have it. And they most likely wanted to retrieve their chest so they could slaughter random asgardians and migardians alike. Like they did in the beginning of the movie.