The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[Vartha]

I've seen someone bring up Gladiator.

No, Thor shouldn't look or feel like Gladiator. Thor is pure Kirby. It's cosmic/medievil.

The way i'd sum it up... Masters of the Universe... but better.

The first draft of the Script WAS like a cross between LotR, 300, or Gladiator with a superhero film. VERY Cool and a bit more Epic than the movie. Problem was there wasn't enough time to bring him into the future, seeing as the story took place in the Viking era.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Again that action beat falls short in conveying it's purpose, If the warriors three were supposed to achieve a goal then flesh it out, I get that they were buying the towns folk time, but for anyone who doesn't the scene is just a very mundane short action beat that further proves how pointless these characters are.

Marvin, their PURPOSE was to deliver the message that Odin was not dead and Loki's plans. That's it. Everything else is extra and literally is not necessary to the direction of the movie.

 

[kickass]

I'm really glad to see Jamie Alexander in something as big and popular as Thor. I've been a fan of her's ever since Kyle XY. Don't judge me.

Haven't seen Thor yet, though. To be honest, I lost all interest..........until I started reading this thread. Will check it out asap.

 

[Rock Sexton]

.....heh i have rock.....i miss my mind the most. :d used to have a sign up at work that said, "of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most"

lol

 

[kickass]

BTW does this film give anyone hope that a new live-action He-Man film can be done with justice?

 

[The Morningstar]

The first draft of the Script WAS like a cross between LotR, 300, or Gladiator with a superhero film. VERY Cool and a bit more Epic than the movie. Problem was there wasn't enough time to bring him into the future, seeing as the story took place in the Viking era.

You know, I would like to see a Thor film like that. Set back then. In a previous Ragnarok cycle or something. A more traditional swords and sandels sorta thing

But I think setting it in the modern day makes it more relatable for audiences as an introduction to the character and it fits in with the Avengers.

There is no reason why sequels couldn't maybe be in a previous Ragnarok cycle or set in the Viking times. But for an introduction to the character, doing it like this was fine.

 

[Rock Sexton]

But I think setting it in the modern day makes it more relatable for audiences as an introduction and it fits in with the Avengers.

Let's face it .... these movies, they're being fleshed out for the purposes of the MCU. I think in some ways it limits the creative direction. Hence no Gladiator or LOTR feel. Not necessarily a bad thing ....

 

[RockSP]

I find it sad/funny how alot of people didn't seem to get the

Spoiler

JMS cameo. It was great, lol.

Well it's not like most people know who JMS is. I didn't know he had a cameo either. What was his part?

 

[Marvin]

I've seen someone bring up Gladiator.

No, Thor shouldn't look or feel like Gladiator. Thor is pure Kirby. It's cosmic/medievil.

The way i'd sum it up... Masters of the Universe... but better.

Look I agree, just like I agree that this should be LOTR with vikings.
My point is that those movies have an undeniable impact based on visual texture, deep pacing, and REAL drama. Thor, by any other name is a very very light film. And the best way to convey that was to bring up such and such.

I'd put it this way. If they were to make a Masters of the Universe film(and I hope they do) I'd rather it be Ridley scott film them than a branagh mavel film.

Marvin, their PURPOSE was to deliver the message that Odin was not dead and Loki's plans. That's it. Everything else is extra and literally is not necessary to the direction of the movie.

This is true.
However the group didn't know that loki told thor that odin was dead. I thought they came back to "bring" thor back. They seemed surprised to hear that thor thought what he thought.

I agree, sadly that "Action" piece was a by product, and thus a not well thought out script.

 

[Figs]

15 minutes is alot of screentime if you think about it. I can't really think of any more scenes that could convey that Thor is changing. If they're all dialogue scenes, that's a long time for 15 minutes. To me that would slow the film down. The scenes that were shown were substantial and enough for Thor to make him realize what he was doing.

For me the 15 minutes wouldn't have just been focused on Thor becoming more humble. It would have also included a tad bit more action and some more scenes with Loki too.

To be honest, I just enjoyed the movie so much I wished it was longer, I wanted more. t:

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'd put it this way. If they were to make a Masters of the Universe film(and I hope they do) I'd rather it be Ridley scott film them than a branagh mavel film.

They can't afford him. Truth.

And he would never do a movie that was being "contained" to a specific film company's universe.

EDIT: Wait I read your comments wrong. I thought you were referring to Scott doing Thor.

This is true.
However the group didn't know that loki told thor that odin was dead. I thought they came back to "bring" thor back. They seemed surprised to hear that thor thought what he thought.

Thor's discovery of Loki's plans was because they told him Odin was still alive ..... Remember Loki's and Thor's talk in the SHIELD compound? He immediately thought back to that after they said he was wrong about Odin being dead.

 

[Rock Sexton]

To be honest, I just enjoyed the movie so much I wished it was longer, I wanted more. t:

The mark of a good film. I brought that issue up in my review. That is why I think people aren't looking at their "desire" for more of this or more of that the right way.

 

[Figs]

The mark of a good film. I brought that issue up in my review. That is why I think people aren't looking at their "desire" for more of this or more of that the right way.

You may be right on this.

One scene that had me cracking up was when Thor brings in Dr. Selvig drunk off his ass. "He drank, He fought, he made his ancestors proud". t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well it's not like most people know who JMS is. I didn't know he had a cameo either. What was his part?

Spoiler

He was the first person to come in contact with the hammer after
it landed on earth. He's the one who drove up in the red pickup truck.

 

[Marvin]

Thor's discovery of Loki's plans was because they told him Odin was still alive ..... Remember Loki's and Thor's talk in the SHIELD compound? He immediately thought back to that after they said he was wrong about Odin being dead.

you were saying they came down to tell Thor that his father wasn't dead!

I asked how did they know thor thought he was dead?

 

[Vartha]

Spoiler

He was the first person to come in contact with the hammer after
it landed on earth. He's the one who drove up in the red pickup truck.

and Walt Simonson does too

Spoiler

Walt was to Sif's left at the dinner table after they all returned to Asgard

.

 

[WildcatNC]

I was fine with Loki telling Thor of Odin's "death" being the catalyst to change him, but again, it just happened too fast. We saw him work through grief for a few seconds, that was about it. And I would have liked it if Portman's character had a bigger hand in teaching him how to be humble. I mean, Loki attribute's the reason to her, but we never really see a reason why Thor falls in love with her, or how he learned to be humble from her.

I would have liked just a bit more character building scenes with that. But still, even with what we got, it was still very enjoyable.

I agree the movie was to short imo. It needed more character and relationship building scenes. I actually think 3h would have been the best, but 2:30 would have worked well also. Luckily we will get a 2:30 m with all the deleted scenes and footage.


Having said that, Thor has a fatalistic viking type mentality. Volstagg exemplifies this.

Quick to anger, quick to love, quick to forgive, quick to laugh and smile. Everyday could be your last. The Asgardians drink deeply from the well of life, not mull over it in therapy forever like we do. I DO think Thor could come around that quickly, just as he could tear a room up the next minute and be laughing a minute after that. I got that part of the character I guess and the reasoning. I can see how some might not understand it though.

I would have liked to see some more character development though, just to gain a better sympathy and understanding for the characters and who they are. The Loki/Thor relationship in particular deserved a few more scenes.

 

[WildcatNC]

you were saying they came down to tell Thor that his father wasn't dead!

I asked how did they know thor thought he was dead?

That wasn't their purpose IN the movie, just in the story.


Thor mentions Odin being dead and then they tell him with a curious look, "your fathers still alive".

They were a story vehicle, not literally came there to tell him that. They came there to rescue him.

 

[Rock Sexton]

you were saying they came down to tell Thor that his father wasn't dead!

I asked how did they know thor thought he was dead?

I know, I corrected myself .... it was moreso by process of elimination. Remember they said they came to get him and he remarked something how he can't go back and things he was responsible for. That's when Sif responded, that his father is still alive.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That wasn't their purpose IN the movie, just in the story.


Thor mentions Odin being dead and then they tell him with a curious look, "your fathers still alive".

They were a story vehicle, not literally came there to tell him that. They came there to rescue him.

Precisely.

 

[WormyT]

The good.
-I liked Loki and odin the best.
-I also liked the ice Villains.

The bad.
-Portman was just smirking all through the movie. Not taking any of it seriously. My god what an easy pay day.
-Some inconsistent effects and direction took me out of the movie and had me yawning.
-Hawkeyes cameo was very sloppy, ineffective and very unexciting.
-The surprise ending was boring.No one cheered. Most folks don't know what that cube is. by the time they see CapAmerica they'll probably forget about a cube in a briefcase.

A decent entertaining 2 hours i guess. Not even in the same league as Dark Knight but I have to give them credit for making a Thor movie and pulling in the female demographic.

The theatre was way more packed and entertained watching Fast5 a week ago. And thats a really dumb movie.

 

[Rock Sexton]

-Hawkeyes cameo was very sloppy, ineffective and very unexciting.

You only say that because it was Jeremy Renner portraying him. If it was some unknown and his name wasn't "Barton" then it would've fit perfectly within the film's context. It's so funny to me.

 

[misjuevos]

i thought everyone knew jms was there. they show his cameo in the iron man 2 blu ray/dvd. it shows him filming it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i thought everyone knew jms was there. they show his cameo in the iron man 2 blu ray/dvd. it shows him filming it.

That's what I thought as well.

 

[WildcatNC]

The good.
The theatre was way more packed and entertained watching Fast5 a week ago. And thats a really dumb movie.

The majority of people ARE really dumb, so that is to be expected.