The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[Vartha]

Well Thor probably doesn't see Sif's interest because he's been friends with Sif for so long in the first place.
It's the kind of the same in the comics, until Thor changes, Sif isn't at at attracted to Thor, yet his interest in the mortal world turns Sif off. It'll be intersting to see how it plays out in further films.

 

[NickNitro]

Foster I believe is a big part in why Thor holds Midgard soo dear and vows to protect it against all evil. I understand that he feels like its his duty to be the protector now of all realms but his love interest in Foster makes him a bit more eager and protective of Earth because he needs to also protect her as well. I think thats why this relationship was more explored as well in the Thor film making his coming back to Earth have a little bit more meaning and reason for The Avengers as well. But thats just my two cents

Anyway, Hiddleston IS LOKI......I still cant get over how well he plays the part.... Mind = Blown one of the best villian castings to date.

 

[Vartha]

I agree. Has he ever been king in the comics?
That would be nice to see, but i'll still feel bad for them because one of them is bound to lose.
Agreed.
Well how much more time could they have? It would feel like a chickflick. I for one am glad for Shield in this because it gave us some "superheroness" in flannel city and also provided us with that action scene where Thor breaks into their facility. I think Shield worked great in this, and hey its not just about the Avengers. The Marvel Universe works a lot more tightly than the DC one, with Shield and heroes popping in each other's books all the time. I mean its only natural that someone would investigate these events in the same way that the police were chasing Batman in Nolan's movies.

Yes Thor was actually King of EARTH and ASGARD in a NOW alternate future.
Odin Sacrifices himself, killing Surtur, who is attacking earth, and Thor becomes king at the beginning of the Reigning arcs in Volume 2.
Just BEFORE all that Odin had separated Thor and his Humanity (Jake Olsen) basically leaving Thor ignorant to the human way of thinking. All sorts of messed up things happened in that alternate future including having a son called Magni through Amora the Enchantress.

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

Well, if you take Thor away from the other films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, SHIELD just showing up is fine but we don't get a really good idea of what they are, from a Thor's story perspective...if you separate it from the other films.

But, because you can't, it works out okay because they're not as intrusive as they were in Iron Man 2.

I just wonder what this film would've been had SHIELD not been in the film or had SHIELD been introduced in this film (Now, having thought about it, it's okay because I think the first Iron Man film is a solid, good film and they got their intro in that film. If you go from Iron Man to Thor and ignore the rest, it works....).

As far as the DC thing goes, I kind of glad they don't because they're allowing their characters to be fully formed without connecting to other characters. I'm not saying what Marvel is doing is wrong but it has hampered parts of their self-produced films. Admittedly, I'm more of a DC guy than Marvel in terms of their film adaptations because I think DC's had far more interesting, more ambitious films than Marvel has had, but Marvel, in my opinion, has three bonafide classics of the genre (X2, Hulk, Spider-Man 2.) I think a Thor sequel could join those three films.

I know a lot of people on line is really, really excited for the connections being made between the films but I'm more "whatever" about it...as long as their good films. And for me, it's only been Iron Man and Thor post Spider-Man 2 world for Marvel. With DC, in my opinion, it's been Watchmen (Ultimate Cut), V for Vendetta, Begins, Knight, and Superman Returns.

I firmly believe, that with Marvel, Captain America is gonna be good, even if I'm leery of it and X-Men First Class is going to be a stunner. With DC, I think Man of Steel, Rises, and Lantern are gonna be fantastic.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes Thor was actually King of EARTH and ASGARD in a NOW alternate future.
Odin Sacrifices himself, killing Surtur, who is attacking earth, and Thor becomes king at the beginning of the Reigning arcs in Volume 2.
Just BEFORE all that Odin had separated Thor and his Humanity (Jake Olsen) basically leaving Thor ignorant to the human way of thinking. All sorts of messed up things happened in that alternate future including having a son called Magni through Amora the Enchantress.

Thanks for the info. What do you mean with the part in bold?

BTW i've only read a few Thor issues along the years, along with Siege and now Fear Itself, so i have to ask, why is Odin such a *****e in Fear Itself? I understand that he is afraid, but leaving humans to die and beating up his own son?

Earle,

Well, if you take Thor away from the other films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, SHIELD just showing up is fine but we don't get a really good idea of what they are, from a Thor's story perspective...if you separate it from the other films.

But, because you can't, it works out okay because they're not as intrusive as they were in Iron Man 2.

I just wonder what this film would've been had SHIELD not been in the film or had SHIELD been introduced in this film (Now, having thought about it, it's okay because I think the first Iron Man film is a solid, good film and they got their intro in that film. If you go from Iron Man to Thor and ignore the rest, it works....).

Had it not been Shield, it would have been some other organization, the FBI, the CIA, the cops. People are bound to investigate all these events. We shouldnt be prejudiced against Shield just because it also works as a chain bonding the universes for the Avengers.


To give you an example, Nolan could have the army hunt Batman in TDKR, but he could use Checkmate and Waller instead, even if it doesnt lead to a JL film. So i think that Shield had a role in IM1, IM2 and Thor, and i'm glad that its them, rather than some random organization.

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

Had it not been Shield, it would have been some other organization, the FBI, the CIA, the cops. People are bound to investigate all these events. We shouldnt be prejudiced against Shield just because it also works as a chain bonding the universes for the Avengers.

Yeah...totally agree. Again, in my second viewing of the film, it made sense for SHIELD to show up.

Honestly, I'm very, very much looking forward to watching Iron Man and Thor back to back on Blu Ray this fall. Hopefully, Captain America joins that as well...even if I'm leery of it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You re afraid Cap is going to suck?

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

Yeah, I am. I'm not sold on the helmet and frankly, I like Evans as an actor a lot but I'm not sold on him either as Steve Rogers. Honestly, it's my own prejudice because for the longest time, I wanted Aaron Eckhart as Steve Rogers...even while acknowledging that he was too old.

Still, if Joe Johnston can tap into his days when he directed the Rocketeer, it'll be golden.

But my track record with Marvel has been 50/50 at this point, with their self-produced films. I'm just as surprised as anyone that I liked, almost loved Thor as much as I did.

I'm just not feeling Captain America like I have been with Thor, X-Men First Class, and Green Lantern.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If Cap fails I feel safe in saying his helmet won't have anything to do with it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Earle,

Yeah, I am. I'm not sold on the helmet and frankly, I like Evans as an actor a lot but I'm not sold on him either as Steve Rogers. Honestly, it's my own prejudice because for the longest time, I wanted Aaron Eckhart as Steve Rogers...even while acknowledging that he was too old.

Still, if Joe Johnston can tap into his days when he directed the Rocketeer, it'll be golden.

But my track record with Marvel has been 50/50 at this point, with their self-produced films. I'm just as surprised as anyone that I liked, almost loved Thor as much as I did.

I'm just not feeling Captain America like I have been with Thor, X-Men First Class, and Green Lantern.

I am very excited for Cap, in fact it was Thor that seemed underwhelming till i actually saw it and loved it. I dont like Cap's costume either, but the WWII setting, Evans, and Bucky have me excited about it. The trailer where the scientist talks about Cap's character sold it for me. Cap must first and foremost be about Steve and what a good person he is.

I'm also very excited about Bucky and all the rumors about them exploring the Winter Soldier story in the movies.


Btw, the Rocketeer. Such a great movie!!!

 

[J.Howlett]

Yeah, I know. I don't know. I'm just not feeling it. I feel it's going to be an Iron Man 2 situation, where it's going to be more than a set up film than an actual Captain America film because this is the true "prequel" to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this film.

It has to do a lot of setting up and I don't see them making it work organically in the script.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Meh, what is there for them to set up? I only saw Howard Stark there and was actually very happy about his cameo, which btw explains how Tony has that shield thingy in IM2.

 

[Vartha]

Thanks for the info. What do you mean with the part in bold?

BTW i've only read a few Thor issues along the years, along with Siege and now Fear Itself, so i have to ask, why is Odin such a *****e in Fear Itself? I understand that he is afraid, but leaving humans to die and beating up his own son? Had it not been Shield, it would have been some other organization, the FBI, the CIA, the cops. People are bound to investigate all these events. We shouldnt be prejudiced against Shield just because it also works as a chain bonding the universes for the Avengers.


To give you an example, Nolan could have the army hunt Batman in TDKR, but he could use Checkmate and Waller instead, even if it doesnt lead to a JL film. So i think that Shield had a role in IM1, IM2 and Thor, and i'm glad that its them, rather than some random organization.

At the beginning of Volume 2 Thor had returned from hel and Had a battle with Destroyer, basically being mortally wounded. At that same time an EMS guy, Jake Olsen, had been also wounded. In order to have them BOTH heal they were merged.
Just before Odin Dies, he had separated Thor and Jake figuring they had to be healed from their wounds caused by Destroyer.
They discover in the comics WITHOUT any mortal host there is no anchor, Thor basically goes mad. For Thor to comprehend our way of thinking there needs to be a mortal host.
First time it happened was in volume one after Blake had been separated from Thor. Thor basically went Mad without Blake and the fact to many people had become worthy of Mjolnir.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I didnt know that it worked that way in the comics. I thought Thor just came to earth like in the movie.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah, I know. I don't know. I'm just not feeling it. I feel it's going to be an Iron Man 2 situation, where it's going to be more than a set up film than an actual Captain America film because this is the true "prequel" to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this film.

It has to do a lot of setting up and I don't see them making it work organically in the script.

Ok, please explain to me and everyone else how Iron Man 2 was a set up to the Avengers and list every scene that was Avengers talk.

I've been asking for this from someone for a long time and can never get an answer.

 

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

SHIELD. Fury. The Stark Legacy (in some capacity). It's all gotta flow for the film to work.

A lot of my worries has to do with no real knowledge of the character, except for the basics and the visuals....the same way I was with Thor.

Still, I am rooting for the film more than anything for Joe Johnston. He seems like a nice director. He got a lot of heat for The Wolfman, which wasn't his fault considering he only showed up to direct the film with only two weeks to prepare...and yet, it's one of most visually appealing films I've seen in years. I love the Rocketeer dearly...and I think Johnston deserves a hit.

 

[Nathan]

I'm not too crazy about the way they handle it in the comics. The way they do it in the Movie and new cartoon is just fine.

 

[Chewy]

Fury is only going to be in the tail end of Cap.

 

[J.Howlett]

Stark,

I'm not starting an argument with you but I just don't think you needed Black Widow. I don't think you need for Fury and SHIELD to show up to help fix Tony in the middle of the film. Take away those things and focus more on the villains of the piece and more on the Tony/Rhodey relationship and then have that one SHIELD scene at the end with Tony and Fury and I think the film would've worked dramatically better...

But, that's just my opinion on a film that has more problems than that....

 

[Vartha]

I am very excited for Cap, in fact it was Thor that seemed underwhelming till i actually saw it and loved it. I dont like Cap's costume either, but the WWII setting, Evans, and Bucky have me excited about it. The trailer where the scientist talks about Cap's character sold it for me. Cap must first and foremost be about Steve and what a good person he is.

I'm also very excited about Bucky and all the rumors about them exploring the Winter Soldier story in the movies.


Btw, the Rocketeer. Such a great movie!!!

That's what a couple reviewers had said about the trailers for both Thor and Cap then seeing the screening a few months ago.
They weren't impressed with Thor's Trailers but were with Cap's, yet when seeing the Screening they were reversed, they were more impressed with Thor over Cap.
Really hope that 2nd trailer changes that, whenever it comes out.

 

[J.Howlett]

Stark,

Let me take back a few things. First, I think Scarlett was great in the film. As a matter of fact, she would've been my only representation of SHIELD in Iron Man 2. She would've played the role exactly as she played it in the film, but without the "donut shop" and the "Fury/Stark talk at Stark's house" scenes. I would've taken out the Agent Coulson "New Mexico" reference, as well.

The SHIELD aspect would've been revealed when Natalie breaks into her SHIELD outfit and help in the fight. The warehouse scene between Tony and Fury would've played exactly the same, except I would've added Black Widow in the scene as well.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Stark,

I'm not starting an argument with you but I just don't think you needed Black Widow. I don't think you need for Fury and SHIELD to show up to help fix Tony in the middle of the film. Take away those things and focus more on the villains of the piece and more on the Tony/Rhodey relationship and then have that one SHIELD scene at the end with Tony and Fury and I think the film would've worked dramatically better...

But, that's just my opinion on a film that has more problems than that....

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm being serious. People want to call this movie an Avengers commercial, yet can never explain why.

Black Widow not being needed? Um she was introduced in the pages of Iron Man (or Tales of Suspense #52) And she actually has had more team ups with Iron Man and been on more Avengers, teams with Iron Man than War Machine (Rhodey wearing the armor). So why wasn't she needed, yet him wearing the suit was completly fine?

Same with SHIELD, they have a long history with Tony.

You're just trying to nitpick and complain about stuff that isn't there.

Stark,

Let me take back a few things. First, I think Scarlett was great in the film. As a matter of fact, she would've been my only representation of SHIELD in Iron Man 2. She would've played the role exactly as she played it in the film, but without the "donut shop" and the "Fury/Stark talk at Stark's house" scenes. I would've taken out the Agent Coulson "New Mexico" reference, as well.

The SHIELD aspect would've been revealed when Natalie breaks into her SHIELD outfit and help in the fight. The warehouse scene between Tony and Fury would've played exactly the same, except I would've added Black Widow in the scene as well.

I'll admit, IM2 had it's fair share of problems, rushed script, too many people trying to play hero, not enough villain screen time, not enough Stark/Vanko/Hammer confrontations, and too many jokes.

But SHEILD, Fury and Widow weren't the problem.

and this being a Thor thread I'm not going to post anymore on the subject.

 

[Iron_Stark]

double post

 

[J.Howlett]

Stark,

Agreed. I just would've come about it in a much, much different way than was presented.

SHIELD showing up in Thor is just more organic in its representation because of the atmospheric incidents.

Sorry about hijacking the thread, guys.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ok, please explain to me and everyone else how Iron Man 2 was a set up to the Avengers and list every scene that was Avengers talk.

I've been asking for this from someone for a long time and can never get an answer.

I'm with you man. Aside from that last scene there was nothing about the Avengers. Fury says so himself at the diner. They re there to help Stark solve his health problem.

Look, the movie wasnt great but it definitely wasnt a set up for the Avengers because there was nothing about them in it. The plot was all about Tony with Shield helping him like in IM1.

Earle,

SHIELD. Fury. The Stark Legacy (in some capacity). It's all gotta flow for the film to work.

A lot of my worries has to do with no real knowledge of the character, except for the basics and the visuals....the same way I was with Thor.

Still, I am rooting for the film more than anything for Joe Johnston. He seems like a nice director. He got a lot of heat for The Wolfman, which wasn't his fault considering he only showed up to direct the film with only two weeks to prepare...and yet, it's one of most visually appealing films I've seen in years. I love the Rocketeer dearly...and I think Johnston deserves a hit.

Why would they care for Howard's legacy when it was (badly) explored in IM2? He's just there to help create Cap. Also, i thought Fury isnt ageless like the Fury from the comics so he wont be in WWII.

Stark,

I'm not starting an argument with you but I just don't think you needed Black Widow. I don't think you need for Fury and SHIELD to show up to help fix Tony in the middle of the film. Take away those things and focus more on the villains of the piece and more on the Tony/Rhodey relationship and then have that one SHIELD scene at the end with Tony and Fury and I think the film would've worked dramatically better...

But, that's just my opinion on a film that has more problems than that....

Well nothing is really ever needed, its what the director decides to do. Even without the Avengers i think Shield and Widow would have worked because of the nature of IM. In the comics he is the superhero politician, dealing with other superheroes is his job, he's been a minister, a government liaison, an agent of Shield, director of Shield, etc. Its who he is. Other superheroes are his job, his Gordon, his Alfred.

And since he is a technological hero with a whole corporation to his name, it fits that they would send Widow to spy on him. He's not a kid with powers like Parker, he is a very powerful businessman with a very powerful weapon.

I enjoyed Widow and Shield, i just wish they would have given Favs more time to iron out the movie and handle all the subplots better.