The Official Tom Welling for Superman Campaign Thread!!!

[Webhead2006]

yea if marvel could reboot hulk film series within a 5 yr peroid why couldnt dc/wb do it with superman. Hell look at batman it was 8 yrs since the last ****ty one and then they rebooted batman.

 

[biolumen]

nvm

 

[Webhead2006]

i didnt bypass the censor, i typed the word out fully and it took out the bad part.

 

[biolumen]

Yeah, I figured that was possible, that's why I changed my post to nvm.

 

[Webhead2006]

no problem man.

 

[Nightwing1977]

To be fair though, the Incredible Hulk was meant to be a vague sequel like Superman Returns was until Norton came along.

The Incredible Hulk is a rather necessary reboot to deliver a much needed change in tone. And in a way it can be looked upon a very, very vague sequel to those who liked the film (I myself liked it but even I admit things need to be different this time).

Superman Returns however doesn't need a reboot. More people like it as opposed to Hulk and frankly most haters of the film tend to look at it as the film they feel it should have been (a reboot ala Batman Begins, Smallville the Movie, a reboot without an origin story, etc.) instead of the film it really is. Sure there were glaring problems with the film, it needed more action, it should have had more influences from the comic book Superman as opposed to just the Donner Superman, and Lois Lane was horribly miscast but overall it was a good film. At least Singer recognizes that it wasn't perfect and is promising to deliver the needed changes (more action, more comic book influences) and based on X-2, he's been proven to improve himself with a sequel.

And really we probably wouldn't be having this debate on whether or not Warner Bros wanted a sequel to Superman Returns if Pirates of the Carribbean 2 came out the following weekend. That movie was an unexpected juggernaut, Superman Returns would have probably met Warner Bros. expectations if it were released farther from Pirates of the Carribbean 2 instead of just a week.

As long as Singer delivers the changes he promises there really is no problem him directing a sequel.

That said, emi's site is still a total joke.

Agree. Many hardcore fans who dislike X-Men 1 love X2. Even many of them say it one of the top 5 or 10 best superhero film. If Singer can improve X-Men with X2, I think he can do the same for Superman. We'll find out soon.

What is it? his Nose, Lips, Body, Hair, Eyes? What is it?

Just his nose & lips.

Or is it that u guys still want a clone of Christopher Reeve?

I rather have a clone of Reeve that can act.

Welling is the new face

Yeah......to Smallville fans. Beside, since when did he play Supes? Thus, he is the new face at Clark. Not Supes.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This has been brought up several times and it just doesn't fly with me. X1 didn't paint itself into corners the way SR has. Was there a character like Jason in X1? Jason must be addressed in SR2, whether it's by killing him, depowering him or sending him away to superhero school. The fact that he has exists to begin with has already ruined the franchise for me. Any second more spent on him is something I have negative interest in. And he will/must be addressed, which is why I will not be paying to see another Singer Superman film.

Okay, you didn't like that. Your opinion and no one is forcing you to watch it. Me, I liked Superman Returns and I liked the Jason angle. I'll go see Man of Steel gladly and there are others.

Also, there has been a demand for Singer to stop kissing Donner's fanny and look into the modern comics. There are people who want to see LexCorp, but IMVHO it's too late for that. We are just supposed to believe that Lex will be allowed to run a multi-billion dollar corporation after the stunt he pulled in S:TM and SR?

And there is demand for a Singer sequel. It works both ways.

Not only that LexCorp can be worked into the movie on the basis that Lex isn't a convicted felon anymore. Lex has been acquited of his crimes in Superman the Movie and there isn't any proof of his actions of stealing nuclear weapons and trying to blow create a new West Coast. He wasn't caught stealing the weapons and frankly he was really only in jail because of Superman's word. His crimes in Superman II were completely undone by Superman turning back time (in the Donner Cut). And the only people who know that Lex was behind the actions in Superman Returns are Superman, Lois, and Richard, nothing has shown that they've exposed what he's done

There has been significant damage done to the franchise caused by SR, IMO, the same can't be said for X1. Which is why the two franchises are not comparable. It's not as simple as "add more action" and all problems are solved. The whole Maury Povich drama throughout SR which is sure to be expanded upon in SR2 is horrid. Jason still needs to find out who his biological father is, Richard needs to know the deal, etc... Having that sandwiched between "more action" just won't cut it for me. We need a whole new story and vision for this franchise, IMHO.

Of course just more action isn't going to solve all the problems. Adding more comic book influences (which Singer has promised) would bring a lot of help. I personally don't see any damage done to the Superman franchise, Singer just brought his own interpretation of it and there will be others someday. That's all a matter of opinion until Man of Steel comes out and we see any evident damage.

 

[hippie_hunter]

yea if marvel could reboot hulk film series within a 5 yr peroid why couldnt dc/wb do it with superman. Hell look at batman it was 8 yrs since the last ****ty one and then they rebooted batman.

Again, Hulk was originally intended to be a vague sequel and will probably be seen as a sequel by the average film goer who has no idea it's a reboot.

And Batman is a different case because if Warner Bros went with a Batman 5 like they originally intended it would have bombed in the box office because Batman & Robin was extremely ****ty. A reboot was needed because Batman & Robin was just so, so bad. No one liked that film.

 

[stargazer]

To be fair though, the Incredible Hulk was meant to be a vague sequel like Superman Returns was until Norton came along.

The Incredible Hulk is a rather necessary reboot to deliver a much needed change in tone. And in a way it can be looked upon a very, very vague sequel to those who liked the film (I myself liked it but even I admit things need to be different this time).

Superman Returns however doesn't need a reboot. More people like it as opposed to Hulk and frankly most haters of the film tend to look at it as the film they feel it should have been (a reboot ala Batman Begins, Smallville the Movie, a reboot without an origin story, etc.) instead of the film it really is. Sure there were glaring problems with the film, it needed more action, it should have had more influences from the comic book Superman as opposed to just the Donner Superman, and Lois Lane was horribly miscast but overall it was a good film. At least Singer recognizes that it wasn't perfect and is promising to deliver the needed changes (more action, more comic book influences) and based on X-2, he's been proven to improve himself with a sequel.

And really we probably wouldn't be having this debate on whether or not Warner Bros wanted a sequel to Superman Returns if Pirates of the Carribbean 2 came out the following weekend. That movie was an unexpected juggernaut, Superman Returns would have probably met Warner Bros. expectations if it were released farther from Pirates of the Carribbean 2 instead of just a week.

As long as Singer delivers the changes he promises there really is no problem him directing a sequel.

That said, emi's site is still a total joke.

Great posts all around, Hippie Hunter. Well said.

I still say NO to Welling. Something about his face is just so not Superman to me. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I know others agree with me.

I know. His pouty lips, wide nose, no big enough chin, and rosy cheeks make him look 'too pretty' and too girly sometimes, and that's Not Superman. Just look at the picture where he is wearing the glasses. His lips and his nose make him stand out too much, IMO.

Superman is supposed to have classic facial features, and needs to be handsome in a more manly way, you know like Routh and Reeve. Welling is too modern and boyish looking, especially for a man his age. And he doesn't sound like Superman. But he makes good casting in Smallville, where he plays 'the teen of steel.' t:

 

[smsvmos]

I know. His pouty lips, wide nose, no big enough chin, and rosy cheeks make him look 'too pretty' and too girly sometimes, and that's Not Superman. Just look at the picture where he is wearing the glasses. His lips and his nose make stand out too much, IMO.

Superman is supposed to have classic facial features, and needs to be handsome in a more manly way, you know like Routh and Reeve. Wellings is too modern and boyish looking, especially for a man his age. And he doesn't sound like Superman. But he makes good casting in Smallville, where he plays 'the teen of steel.' t:

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ U guys are 2 much (LoL) are u for real? cause if u are u got some problems. But u have ur right to think that way and I wont take that from u. But please find a better excuse to not want Welling for the role

 

[stargazer]

He is a wooden and bland actor. ^

And we are not making excuses. A lot of people think the same way about him. But if you like him, good for ya! I don't hate him, I just think he is all wrong for Superman.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea everyone has their own opinion on people and we can say what we want. Both welling and routh have good points and also flaws as their clark kent and superman(more routh here) personas.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, Welling hasn't played as Superman so you really can't compare the two. But Routh from Superman Returns is far better than bland and wooden Welling.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

But Routh from Superman Returns is far better than bland and wooden Welling.

 

[smsvmos]

Yea this could go on forever with Welling fans saying things about Routh and Routh fans saying things about Welling. But since this thread clearly indicates "The Official Tom Welling for Superman Campaign Thread!!!" I say and will all ways say WELLING IS BETTER THAN skinny neck, muscle suit, contact wearing,unemotional,unconvincing ROUTH and if u don't like it go run to ur mommy

P.S dont take it personal but is the truth :P

 

[smsvmos]

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[Webhead2006]

link is not right.

 

[smsvmos]

link is not right.

Yea sorry I was trying to fix it but could not get into the SHH boards apparently there was a problem

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i know it was messed up for a bit. And yea that was one great scene from that episode, loved what he said and the take off effect for the show.

 

[The Major]

Does anybody have any links to interviews where Welling talks about Superman's character?
Not related to Smallville but Superman in general.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This here alone made me have more goosebumps than the whole SR movie

For a TV show the special effects are pretty damn good. But ugh I hate Smallville

 

[Webhead2006]

yea and with that crap shoot budget they have most of the FX has been good. But i bet that flying scene back from season 4 cost them a ****load.

 

[smsvmos]

yea and with that crap shoot budget they have most of the FX has been good. But i bet that flying scene back from season 4 cost them a ****load.

Well actually they are doing it in a regular basis now with the introduction of Kara to the show. But that goes to show that such a small tv pruduction like Smallville can even surpass Superman Returns. Take a sit back and compare the special effects from smallville and SR for example The X-ray vision do u think that the X-ray from SR was better, now for the Heat Vision in Smallville it has develop to a point where u say WOW that was grate, the flight scenes are done more dramatic and more action oriented, Super breath has not been used that much but still is much better than the 2 scenes that Routh did in the whole movie actually there is one scene in the movie where u see a burning house and puff the fire is out and they show Routh smiling, what was that all about? Also in regards of the acting I think Welling does so much better in making us believe that he has those powers than Routh. The Kryptonite effect Welling really acts like he is in pain and they also make it look really painful. Now hippie_hunter take that scene from the clip that I posted and put it in a movie and also give him the suit of Superman and dont take under consideration ur hate for Smallville, did u do it?... Now tell me u dont think Tom deserve to play Superman in a Reboot.

 

[Nightwing1977]

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ U guys are 2 much (LoL) are u for real? cause if u are u got some problems. But u have ur right to think that way and I wont take that from u. But please find a better excuse to not want Welling for the role

Some have problems? Just like you yourself with saying negative thing about Routh's look too perhaps? Sound like you need better excuse to diss Routh as Supes as well. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

Ha ha!!

I say and will all ways say WELLING IS BETTER THAN skinny neck, muscle suit, contact wearing,unemotional,unconvincing ROUTH and if u don't like it go run to ur mommy

I don't agree with what you say about Routh, but I ain't going crying to my mommy. I'm a man & learn how to take it like one.

P.S dont take it personal but is the truth :P

Truth? More like your opinions, son. That is the truth.


And I agree with you, hippie hunter. Welling hasn't play Superman yet, thus Routh is Superman now. Welling is still Clark Kent, so one can't tell if he is a better Superman than Routh. If you never played Superman, then one can't say he is better than Routh. Beside, Routh's voice is more deeper like Supes where Welling's voice is kinda too soft. Of course, that's my opinion.

 

[Webhead2006]

well with smallville my complaint with xray power is they made it be he sees an xray image instead of seeing through an object. I wish they did it more normally looking. Superbreath which has only been seen i think 3 times since last yr has been pretty cool. And heat vision is sweet in smallville they make it look like heat waves which originally looked more clear and are invisible to everbody but visually have seethrough/red look so we know what is going on.