Days of Future Past The Official X-Men: First Class Box Office Discussion Thread!

[EnDz0n3]

I think he means he schtick of making sci-fi monster movies, not revealing the monster, and showing how citizens deal with the chaos. Something to that affect. I like Abrams.

Yea that's exactly what I meant. Granted this is only his second time doing it but it already feels like a retread.

 

[Midnight Black]

Yeah because that sooo worked for Cloverfield.

I feel bad for Matt Reeves. He made Cloverfield, but all the credit went to Abrams..

Your sarcasm is lost on me. Are you saying you like Abrams and Cloverfield or not?

Yea that's exactly what I meant. Granted this is only his second time doing it but it already feels like a retread.

That's what I figured. I got that sense too, but I'm a fan and quickly dismissed it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Not everything he does turns to gold.His most successful TV Show was Lost,and he walked away early In Season 1(except coming back briefly for start of season 3) Alias might not survive on ABC now and Fringe which he has all but walked away from Is surprise Cult show surviving.Mission Impossible III underperformed(however In fairness to
him that was because of Tom Cruise) and Star Trek sequel may not even come out till 2013(they don't even have a full script yet they seem on holding pattern till he decides to officially sign on as director)

 

[Quetzal]

So how much cash would it take for a sequel to this movie?

Just wondering your estimations.

 

[Midnight Black]

So how much cash would it take for a sequel to this movie?

Just wondering your estimations.

At least $200 to $250 million.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If It can hit 150 Million or a little higher It will be close to what X-Men made domesticly
back In 2000 however If final domestic gross resembers Hulk(132 Million) or Incredible
Hulk(135 Million) a sequel Is In Doudt.X4 was discussed by Lauren Shuller Donner as
having storyidea presented to Fox and them loving It.So If First Class has a hulk like gross they may just work on X4 after The Wolverine.

 

[SuperT]

$5,075,246 on Tuesday for First Class.

http://admin.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

 

[Seen]

Word-of-mouth will help this film considerably. Batman Begins opened up in 2005 to a mere $45 million but ended up earning over $200 million by the time the film left theaters. It shared a similar tainted history with the X-Men films; Begins had to deal with two abysmal Batman movies, and X-Men: First Class has to deal with two abhorrent X-Men movies.

Perhaps a better comparison, though, would be the first X-Men, which opened similarly to First Class and ended up earning nearly $160 million. First Class is opening in the wake of two lackluster and disappointing X-Men films. It is also the first X-Men film not to star Hugh Jackman. It's also not a traditional X-Men story in the typical sense. It's not the type of X-Men movie audiences are familiar with; at the very least with X-Men Origins: Wolverine it had something audiences were accustomed to... Hugh Jackman.

X-Men: First Class has a lot against it, which is probably why the opening was the lowest of the X-Men films so far. It's nothing indicative of quality. Now, if the film drops hard next week, and doesn't make at least $150 million then you might begin to worry, but that might have to do with a ton of other factors not due to audiences' opinion of the film.

I find it hard to believe that a crappy film like X-Men Origins: Wolverine can make $170 million domestic and a quality film like X-Men: First Class can't (or won't). While First Class might not earn $200 million, I'm sure it will leave theaters somewhere between $150-$170 million. Good word-of-mouth might not extend it to $200 million, but it will keep the film afloat.

 

[Tony Stark]

For WOM to have an effect it would have to make something on the order of 35M this weekend, which would put it on track with Thor's 2nd week and on decline, but it's still 10 M behind out the gate.

I'm not going to say it won't happen, but it's highly unlikely. 150 is the celing for this movie, and more likely it will be in the 135-145 range.

Batman Begins is a bad comparision to look at, because it had a Wednesday start date. It made nearly as much Wed/Thurs as it did in it's second weekend.

Comparitively, you're looking at Fantastic Four and The Incredible Hulk.

 

[chaseter]

It should pass 100 million this weekend...which is good. It should also pass 200 million worldwide this weekend as well. Not too bad.

 

[Nokio]

I think FC may have a good chance of reaching at least 150 domestically, but I withhold final judgement until after this weekend. If it can take in 35 mil and drop less then 50% I think it'll be ok. Anything lower then a 50% drop is not that great.

 

[Figs]

I hope it does well this weekend. My ****** theatre took it off one of the screens already and put in it's place Pirates...which was already on two screens. It might have just been because it was a weekday, not sure though.

 

[SuperT]

It's weird it seems this movie is doing very well in overseas countries.

In Hong Kong it's 5-day total is 13% higher than Thor and it is 38% better than Wolverine. O_O

 

[Tony Stark]

I think FC may have a good chance of reaching at least 150 domestically, but I withhold final judgement until after this weekend. If it can take in 35 mil and drop less then 50% I think it'll be ok. Anything lower then a 50% drop is not that great.

35M would be about a 37% drop, something that hasn't been seen in a super hero film since the first Spider-man movie.

A 50% drop would be common, even a film with good legs like Iron Man was just under 50%.

It can get to 150 even with an over 50% drop, as Fantastic Four did. But with the competition coming out, it's more likely to head the way ROTSS did, as the daily numbers for XFC are actually below ROTSS.

Either way, this film needed to have a much bigger opening, it's unfortunate, but it's reality. On the good side, there's only two films this summer that are likely to pass 300 million, and neither of them are superhero movies.

 

[Angamb]

yeah, its doing better than the previous movies on some countries...

I love that.

 

[josh8]

what other big markets are left? I know of Germany and Japan.

(Wow, Black Swan is making some decent money in Japan...)

EDIT: Opens in Italy today, Germany + Greece tomorrow, India on Friday, Japan on Saturday.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Yeah because that sooo worked for Cloverfield.

Cloverfield was actually very poorly received by mainstream audiences, who gave it a "C+" CinemaScore rating. Few movies ever get a grade in the C range; C is basically failing. I've heard many complaints about the shaky cam, and how annoying people thought the characters were. And of course, mainstream audiences generally don't like teases where the goods are never, or only very briefly shown.

Cloverfield had the big hype with that mysterious "1-18-08" stuff, which Super 8 hasn't benefitted from. I actually haven't seen much hype for Super 8 at all. And it won't be good for that movie if it's seen as another Cloverfield.

I think First Class has a decent chance at a good 2nd weekend.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I dont think that X3 and Wolverine had nearly the negative impact people want to believe.

Comic book fans may not have liked them, but I have yet to find anyone in the general audience that didn't. I've had numerous people tell me how awesome they thought wolverine was, and how they thought it was the best one, and react in total shock when I tell them the fanboys didn't like it.

You can say its a small sample size or whatever, but I feel its pretty telling when its a consistent response across the board. Even today I had a friend give me a look of "wtf??!" when I told him a lot of people didn't like wolverine.

I think its probably more the fact that the franchise is starting to over extend itself. There's the fact that its a June release when all the other movies since the first one have been May releases. There's a lot of factors, and not saying the other movies aren't a factor, but to put them on the same level as a batman & Robin sized obstacle I believe is misguided.

 

[Ponyboy]

I'm guessing it might pull in 225-275 mil worldwide. What are the box office grosses in America right now? If it's broken 100 mil there, you can expect it will probably double that, in the least.

 

[Angamb]

I hope second weekend is better than X-men, Wolverine and Batman Begins.

These were their second weekend:

X-men: $23,468,649
Wolverine: $26,408,288
Batman Begins: $27,589,389

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Cloverfield was actually very poorly received by mainstream audiences, who gave it a "C+" CinemaScore rating. Few movies ever get a grade in the C range; C is basically failing. I've heard many complaints about the shaky cam, and how annoying people thought the characters were. And of course, mainstream audiences generally don't like teases where the goods are never, or only very briefly shown.

Cloverfield had the big hype with that mysterious "1-18-08" stuff, which Super 8 hasn't benefitted from. I actually haven't seen much hype for Super 8 at all. And it won't be good for that movie if it's seen as another Cloverfield..

I was agreeing with you.

Even though I don't think it's some kind of gimmick or a shtick, I was saying that they're not doing it because they did it on Cloverfield, because it ultimately did NOT work.

The aspect of Super 8 keeping the monster low-key has more direct ramfications to the narrative and the plot of the movie and it isn't quite meant to be used to sell the movie like Cloverfield did.

 

[gambit78]

despite the mixed reviews of Wolverine and x3, they were still popcorn movies with enough entertainment/action to hold the general public's attention.

After XC, I thought about Mad Men, a stylish period piece of a show that was never a ratings winner. Sure it won accolades, but it has not made money for AMC the way reality shows have for other networks. That was why its budget was slashed despite hype.

 

[Marvel]

I dont think that X3 and Wolverine had nearly the negative impact people want to believe.

Comic book fans may not have liked them, but I have yet to find anyone in the general audience that didn't. I've had numerous people tell me how awesome they thought wolverine was, and how they thought it was the best one, and react in total shock when I tell them the fanboys didn't like it.

You can say its a small sample size or whatever, but I feel its pretty telling when its a consistent response across the board. Even today I had a friend give me a look of "wtf??!" when I told him a lot of people didn't like wolverine.

I think its probably more the fact that the franchise is starting to over extend itself. There's the fact that its a June release when all the other movies since the first one have been May releases. There's a lot of factors, and not saying the other movies aren't a factor, but to put them on the same level as a batman & Robin sized obstacle I believe is misguided.

Right on the mark and believe it or not there are some fanboys that do like Origins: Wolverine and I'm one of them. Wolverine was NOT a bad film, period. Sure it wasn't as great as it should've been or as good as First Class turned out but it still is NOT a bad movie.

The biggest problem this film faced is the unknown prequel factor. Everybody thought this was another "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" because there really was no hype or tremendous promotion of the film. It just gave off that feel even though the movie itself is exceptional. The franchise is still strong. That's the bottom line.

 

[lastairbender]

i'm so sad about the numbers...well here in Portugal opens tomorrow....finally ends the torture...

 

[ClarkLuther55]

I dont think that X3 and Wolverine had nearly the negative impact people want to believe.

Comic book fans may not have liked them, but I have yet to find anyone in the general audience that didn't. I've had numerous people tell me how awesome they thought wolverine was, and how they thought it was the best one, and react in total shock when I tell them the fanboys didn't like it.

To be fair, The Last Stand and Wolverine did have steep 2nd weekend drops, which says more to me about the general audience's reaction than the posts of a few people on the forums. However, I've also seen it being said that the mega-huge openings of those two movies ($123 million and $85 million, respectively) at least partially explain those drops. The idea being that so many people showed up right away that the movies were bound to drop off big after that.

I agree that The Last Stand and Wolverine aren't the trainwrecks that some fans make them out to be. They were flawed and disappointing compared to what came before them. But there was still a lot in each movie to like.

The internet fandom has a tendency to exaggerate the failures of certain successful movies that most people liked just fine. According to certain circles, the Star Wars prequels, Superman Returns, The Last Stand, and Wolverine are among the worst movies ever made. The box office and widespread polling do not reflect that.