The Positive Thread

[TheComicbookKid]

I think you have to realize that there is a difference between those saying it is doomed as a "long time fans dream movie for the F4" and doomed "because they think it will be bad acting, bad script, etc"...I don't know of many of the latter on here.

Most fans that are saying it is doomed are just saying that as a solid Fantastic Four 616 adaptation that they have been hoping for, from what they have seen and heard....that idea is doomed at this point. I don't think you need to see a trailer to figure that out.

But isn't that kind of setting yourself up for disappointment?

I've never seen a pure adaptation of any of these characters. Singer's X-men is nothing anywhere near the level of the comics. Same for Spidey and Iron Man.Iron Man, actually adapted the worst aspects of Iron Man(too many freaking suits). Nolan ignored the fantasy of Batman that Burton relished in. Both missed the "Great Detective."

The Winter Soldier was good on it's own merits but as an adaptation of the Winter Soldier storyline it's horrendous (even if you boil it down to it's basic elements).

All the Marvel films use Ultimate Elements (except maybe Thor/GOTG).

I feel like, for those who love 616, using UFF is some kind of way to say 616 can't work. Which I don't think anyone thinks. The first films used most of the iconography of the FF so just like Amazing Spidey(younger May/Ben, scientist father, May and Peter troubled relationship, Electro, OsCorp spider) they used the other universe.

 

[Kelly]

But isn't that kind of setting yourself up for disappointment?

I've never seen a pure adaptation of any of these characters. Singer's X-men is nothing anywhere near the level of the comics. Same for Spidey and Iron Man.Iron Man, actually adapted the worst aspects of Iron Man(too many freaking suits). Nolan ignored the fantasy of Batman that Burton relished in. Both missed the "Great Detective."

The Winter Soldier was good on it's own merits but as an adaptation of the Winter Soldier storyline it's horrendous (even if you boil it down to it's basic elements).

All the Marvel films use Ultimate Elements (except maybe Thor/GOTG).

I feel like, for those who love 616, using UFF is some kind of way to say 616 can't work. Which I don't think anyone thinks. The first films used most of the iconography of the FF so just like Amazing Spidey(younger May/Ben, scientist father, May and Peter troubled relationship, Electro, OsCorp spider) they used the other universe.

From what I have seen and heard, the Ultimate version of the Fantastic Four is one that has gone the furthest from the original. And no the first films did not use just 616....IN FACT, they were actually adapted more from the Marvel Knights series...which for some was one of the problems. But, honestly....and this is coming from a fan of the MK Fantastic Four series...they writing was just horrible, the editing was just horrible, in the first 2 movies.

What people are seeing with this new version, is a change in not only the look, but what they feel is the balance, gravitas and spectacular, outrageous, adventures (which puts the Fantastic in the Fantastic Four)...needed ALONG WITH great writing, great editing, great cgi, etc...

Many of those things may very well be a part of this movie, and may make it a very enjoyable movie for the general audience...but the spectacular, outrageous, adventures has been down played specifically and intentionally by those connected with this movie, and THAT, is what will keep it from being a Fantastic, Fantastic Four movie....and from what we are seeing and hearing, they (Fox, actors, etc.) are fine with that, and even making it a center point of the "little bit" of information we have gotten.

So, I see nothing wrong with long time fans not being happy with what they are seeing....in fact, they are probably right. So once again, most here are not writing it off as a film that won't make it....just that it is a movie that is not a Fantastic Four movie and to think they are getting ahead of themselves is naive at best....and really missing the central point of this comic book.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Fault In Our Stars was 80% fresh.

EDIT: Ninjad.

Also, Fox needs to show us a trailer since they missed comic-con. I'm thinking it should be tied to Hunger Games, Taken 3 or Hitman. The absolute latest anything should be shown is with Fast 7. Fox really, really needs to do some promo for this.

I enjoy the Fast and Furious films and they make tons of money so take your shade elsewhere fella.

See I can wait until next year for a trailer but some photos and the damn logo should be shown soon.

 

[mkilban2]

I think the main thing, and it is something that we can probably say is a for sure is that it is based much more on the UFF rather than 616. That has been very obvious from the beginning.

For those who are decades old fans of this comic book and what you grew up with over 50 years was the 616 version and really from what we have seen is taking very little (if anything" from 616) I can definitely see why they are not happy with what they are seeing. From those that I've seen who I know to be true long time fans, they are not necessarily saying this film will not be any kind of success, they are simply saying that it will not be a Fantastic Four film they have hoped for for decades. Those that are just saying it's crap, won't be any good, won't make any money is already doomed from the start....I see that as more of a pseudo troll type of thing to piss off those that are fans of Fox, or these actors.

I think you have to realize that there is a difference between those saying it is doomed as a "long time fans dream movie for the F4" and doomed "because they think it will be bad acting, bad script, etc"...I don't know of many of the latter on here.

Most fans that are saying it is doomed are just saying that as a solid Fantastic Four 616 adaptation that they have been hoping for, from what they have seen and heard....that

idea is doomed at this point. I don't think you need to see a trailer to figure that out.

You certainly bring up some good points. But why does a Fantastic Four movie have to be based on a certain era that the majority thinks is the best? It doesn't necessarily make it the best one, just the one they personally feel most attached to. Not that theres anything wrong with that notion, but just cause a character is being adapted from story x and not story z, doesn't mean its going to be bad just because its not your favorite, and it certainly doesnt mean its not the true version of the fantastic four. Maybe this movie sparks a great interest in the masses and the books start to reflect it, maybe the opposite, who knows at this moment.

I know the die hards feel they're overdue for the proper FF film, but maybe the powers in charge don't feel the way the comics are successful won't translate to film? Not to try and make a case for one version or the other though, I'm not a comic reader so i have no attachment to any of the various characters in any of these films. I was hesitant about GotG since i dislike space type scifi movies and that blew me away. I'd be just as optimistic for this movie as I am now if it was more 616 accurate too.

I guess it boils down to I'll be happy if its just a good and enjoyable film, which is really all i look for in CBMs. But i understand why people could feel the characters aren't being shown justice, although sometimes I think personal feelings and favorites get in the way of rational thinking around here. I really enjoyed FC, but saw numerous posts about how it wasn't a true first class roster, etc, but it was a really well done film with strong acting so i liked it. I could see tbis film echoing the same type of reaction in me, maybe its not the true FF but if its a good film then I'm happy.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

From what I have seen and heard, the Ultimate version of the Fantastic Four is one that has gone the furthest from the original. And no the first films did not use just 616....IN FACT, they were actually adapted more from the Marvel Knights series...which for some was one of the problems. But, honestly....and this is coming from a fan of the MK Fantastic Four series...they writing was just horrible, the editing was just horrible, in the first 2 movies.

I never read the MK series. I heard it was good though.

I don't think there's enough in the UFF to adapt. The series ran out of gas creatively after the first arc( except for the Zombieverse) which happens to be the only part I see anything coming from.

What people are seeing with this new version, is a change in not only the look, but what they feel is the balance, gravitas and spectacular, outrageous, adventures (which puts the Fantastic in the Fantastic Four)...needed ALONG WITH great writing, great editing, great cgi, etc...

Feeling is one thing. Knowing is another.

We comic fans have been wrong too many times on these boards when we "feel" Joker should be permawhite and not played by that Brokeback Joker. Batfleck announcement until we actually saw the suit and Batmobile. Quicksilver is terrible (I'm glad Marvel is doing it justice) to "holy crap Quicksilver was awesome!" once we actually saw him in action.

I've seen it too many times. It's kind of exhausting.

but the spectacular, outrageous, adventures has been down played specifically and intentionally by those connected with this movie, and THAT, is what will keep it from being a Fantastic, Fantastic Four movie....and from what we are seeing and hearing, they (Fox, actors, etc.) are fine with that, and even making it a center point of the "little bit" of information we have gotten

I feel like we've reached a point of expecting fans to be catered to first. I don't know anything about the motivations or characterization of BvS yet everyone seems to have complete faith in Snyder despite the ZuckerLex casting that is off-model for Lex and Batfleck casting that got him ridiculed. Based on some fanboy pandering of a Batmobile(nothing like the comics) pic and some carefully photographed costume photos. A relatively accurate BTS looking Thing prop barely made a blip.

That trashcan Doom got countless pages.

So, I see nothing wrong with long time fans not being happy with what they are seeing....in fact, they are probably right. So once again, most here are not writing it off as a film that won't make it....just that it is a movie that is not a Fantastic Four movie and to think they are getting ahead of themselves is naive at best....and really missing the central point of this comic book.

Being not happy/excited is one thing. I didn't need to see Iron 3 to not be interested. I did see 1 and 2.

Saying something isn't a FF cause it doesn't use the elements "you" personally qualify as Fantastic is short-sighted. Smallville is as much a Superman story as MOS or Returns and it is completely made up. You don't have to enjoy all of the interpretations, but we've gotten away from the days of Shaquille O'neal as Steel.

Elektra and Catwoman are closer to INO than basing some parts on an actual Fantastic Four comic. They didn't just make it up like Berry's Catwoman.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just cannot wait for this film

If its as good as X-Men: First Class, then that would just be great! August 2015 is still a very long time and we probably get our 1st look maybe February or March or worse April. But hopefully the delay will give the crew more time to polish the film especially its probably heavy in visual effects.

Anyway, right now I think it will be better than Tim Story's FF films which would be somewhat an achievement even if its not the greatest thing. But if it turns out to be as good as the X-Men movies, I would just be so happy!

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'm looking forward to this movie a lot, can't understand why or how its already doomed when we haven't even seen a trailer or anything yet lol. If that looks bad then I'll judge accordingly, but I like the director and actors so I'm looking forward to it for sure.

those that are just saying it's crap, won't be any good, won't make any money is already doomed from the start....I see that as more of a pseudo troll type of thing to piss off those that are fans of Fox, or these actors.

Agreed

You certainly bring up some good points. But why does a Fantastic Four movie have to be based on a certain era that the majority thinks is the best? It doesn't necessarily make it the best one, just the one they personally feel most attached to. Not that theres anything wrong with that notion, but just cause a character is being adapted from story x and not story z, doesn't mean its going to be bad just because its not your favorite, and it certainly doesnt mean its not the true version of the fantastic four. Maybe this movie sparks a great interest in the masses and the books start to reflect it, maybe the opposite, who knows at this moment.

I know the die hards feel they're overdue for the proper FF film, but maybe the powers in charge don't feel the way the comics are successful won't translate to film? Not to try and make a case for one version or the other though, I'm not a comic reader so i have no attachment to any of the various characters in any of these films. I was hesitant about GotG since i dislike space type scifi movies and that blew me away. I'd be just as optimistic for this movie as I am now if it was more 616 accurate too.

I guess it boils down to I'll be happy if its just a good and enjoyable film, which is really all i look for in CBMs. But i understand why people could feel the characters aren't being shown justice, although sometimes I think personal feelings and favorites get in the way of rational thinking around here. I really enjoyed FC, but saw numerous posts about how it wasn't a true first class roster, etc, but it was a really well done film with strong acting so i liked it. I could see tbis film echoing the same type of reaction in me, maybe its not the true FF but if its a good film then I'm happy.

This is very true.

 

[marvelrobbins]

In Interview Michael jordon talked about 'Suiting up" for FF so despite what
some insisted there may be uniforms at some point in this film.

 

[Kelly]

I never read the MK series. I heard it was good though.

I don't think there's enough in the UFF to adapt. The series ran out of gas creatively after the first arc( except for the Zombieverse) which happens to be the only part I see anything coming from.



Feeling is one thing. Knowing is another.

We comic fans have been wrong too many times on these boards when we "feel" Joker should be permawhite and not played by that Brokeback Joker. Batfleck announcement until we actually saw the suit and Batmobile. Quicksilver is terrible (I'm glad Marvel is doing it justice) to "holy crap Quicksilver was awesome!" once we actually saw him in action.

I've seen it too many times. It's kind of exhausting.



I feel like we've reached a point of expecting fans to be catered to first. I don't know anything about the motivations or characterization of BvS yet everyone seems to have complete faith in Snyder despite the ZuckerLex casting that is off-model for Lex and Batfleck casting that got him ridiculed. Based on some fanboy pandering of a Batmobile(nothing like the comics) pic and some carefully photographed costume photos. A relatively accurate BTS looking Thing prop barely made a blip.

That trashcan Doom got countless pages.



Being not happy/excited is one thing. I didn't need to see Iron 3 to not be interested. I did see 1 and 2.

Saying something isn't a FF cause it doesn't use the elements "you" personally qualify as Fantastic is short-sighted. Smallville is as much a Superman story as MOS or Returns and it is completely made up. You don't have to enjoy all of the interpretations, but we've gotten away from the days of Shaquille O'neal as Steel.

Elektra and Catwoman are closer to INO than basing some parts on an actual Fantastic Four comic. They didn't just make it up like Berry's Catwoman.

No, it's called an opinion....and as far as "me"...I am not one of those fans I speak of....I simply understand and respect the opinions of those fans. I'm actually far more of a MK Fantastic Four fan than I am 616...and I've stated that numerous times. I just simply think that the decades old fans have every right to be upset with what they see with out being called things such as "short sighted"....and I also believe that the fans of UFF, and the actors have a right to be excited...I'm happy for them. I'm actually looking forward to the movie, not really as a Fantastic Four adaptation, but as a possibly good movie.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

No, it's called an opinion....and as far as "me"...I am not one of those fans I speak of....I simply understand and respect the opinions of those fans. I'm actually far more of a MK Fantastic Four fan than I am 616...and I've stated that numerous times. I just simply think that the decades old fans have every right to be upset with what they see with out being called things such as "short sighted"....and I also believe that the fans of UFF, and the actors have a right to be excited...I'm happy for them. I'm actually looking forward to the movie, not really as a Fantastic Four adaptation, but as a possibly good movie.

Sorry I was using the "you" as in anyone. Not you in particular.

That bolded part is just odd to me. If your friends were adopting a baby, you wouldn't say "I happy for you having a baby, even though it's not really yours."

It comes across as a weird backhanded way of qualifying something as inferior from the start while smiling.

The kid may be jerk and this movie may suck. But it won't be because it's not a FF movie. It'll be for the same reason Prometheus or Story's FF or any other movie sucks. If it's a good movie why is that something to put one's nose up at it being a good Fantastic Four movie.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Double

 

[Orba]

Being a good film is not the same as it being a good Fantastic Four film. The X-Men films are good films but I could not call them good adaptions of the X-Men characters.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Being a good film is not the same as it being a good Fantastic Four film. The X-Men films are good films but I could not call them good adaptions of the X-Men characters.

I can agree with that. But it isn't XINO either. That's my point. I don't understand why this adaptation is getting so (harshly) criticized with the INO tag by some.

There's some article about Trank using some new Cloud graphic tech for the film.

If Guillermo Del Toro was cited as using the tech for Hellboy or Pacific Rim 2, fans would be applauding him for using something new and be excited. Trank getting labeled with making a low-budget Underworld movie or something.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Fanboys have always had selective outrage when it comes to comicbook movies. I don't see anything wrong with keeping the budget reasonable and trying new things as long as the movie looks good of course.

 

[Kelly]

Sorry I was using the "you" as in anyone. Not you in particular.

That bolded part is just odd to me. If your friends were adopting a baby, you wouldn't say "I happy for you having a baby, even though it's not really yours."

It comes across as a weird backhanded way of qualifying something as inferior from the start while smiling.

The kid may be jerk and this movie may suck. But it won't be because it's not a FF movie. It'll be for the same reason Prometheus or Story's FF or any other movie sucks. If it's a good movie why is that something to put one's nose up at it being a good Fantastic Four movie.

I think it could quite possibly be a good movie about 4 people who get super powers. Much like I really enjoyed The Incredibles...who were most definitely based on the F4, but weren't the F4. Hell, I may even enjoy it better than the first two F4 movies....But once again, I'm not necessarily a fan of F4 616....nor am I decades fan of the F4 in general. I am a fan of MK Fantastic Four...with that said, I'm simply saying that I don't believe that it will be an adaptation from the 616 F4. Nothing thus far has shown that. So let's review...

1. I am not a big 616 fan...I am a fan of MK Fantastic Four, and not real keen on the UFF, I just don't like how the family aspect is portrayed. I LOVE the family aspect and the real detail in the relationships, which I feel is much more up to date with issues that I know and that I find in the MK series, and I don't find that in the others.
2. I highly respect those who are because of their decades long loyalty to this comic book, and I have found them to be pretty cool people over these past 10 years...
3. So, when I say I understand where the decades old fans are coming from and their dislike of what we have seen and heard, and lack thereof of anything else...it is to say that I'm really getting tired of people saying that their opinion is not valid because the movie hasn't come out. NOTHING shows us that it is a 616 adaptation that they would be excited about...NOTHING. They don't like UFF, SO WHAT? they don't like it, and therefore it is quite obvious the direction they are wanting to take with this adaptation and it is not a 616 or MK route....so fans of those two series are not going to be very excited about what they see.
4. However, I do believe that this is a good group of young actors, not necessarily for the F4 I know and love, but a good group of actors that can probably do a pretty good adaptation of UFF. NOW, with that said, it is also possible that even as a UFF adaptation (hopefully not ever seeing the Zombie crapola of UFf), I may very well enjoy it even though I'm not exactly keen on that series. I'm open to those things. But, you have fans that have waited a hell of a long time for a solid 616 adaption and this ain't it. So to them, it doesn't matter if it's a good UFF adaptation, THEY DON'T WANT THAT....and ya know what? They have every right to feel that way and shout it from the rafters....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think it could quite possibly be a good movie about 4 people who get super powers. Much like I really enjoyed The Incredibles...who were most definitely based on the F4, but weren't the F4. Hell, I may even enjoy it better than the first two F4 movies....But once again, I'm not necessarily a fan of F4 616....nor am I decades fan of the F4 in general. I am a fan of MK Fantastic Four...with that said, I'm simply saying that I don't believe that it will be an adaptation from the 616 F4. Nothing thus far has shown that. So let's review...

1. I am not a big 616 fan...I am a fan of MK Fantastic Four, and not real keen on the UFF, I just don't like how the family aspect is portrayed. I LOVE the family aspect and the real detail in the relationships, which I feel is much more up to date with issues that I know and that I find in the MK series, and I don't find that in the others.
2. I highly respect those who are because of their decades long loyalty to this comic book, and I have found them to be pretty cool people over these past 10 years...
3. So, when I say I understand where the decades old fans are coming from and their dislike of what we have seen and heard, and lack thereof of anything else...it is to say that I'm really getting tired of people saying that their opinion is not valid because the movie hasn't come out. NOTHING shows us that it is a 616 adaptation that they would be excited about...NOTHING. They don't like UFF, SO WHAT? they don't like it, and therefore it is quite obvious the direction they are wanting to take with this adaptation and it is not a 616 or MK route....so fans of those two series are not going to be very excited about what they see.
4. However, I do believe that this is a good group of young actors, not necessarily for the F4 I know and love, but a good group of actors that can probably do a pretty good adaptation of UFF. NOW, with that said, it is also possible that even as a UFF adaptation (hopefully not ever seeing the Zombie crapola of UFf), I may very well enjoy it even though I'm not exactly keen on that series. I'm open to those things. But, you have fans that have waited a hell of a long time for a solid 616 adaption and this ain't it. So to them, it doesn't matter if it's a good UFF adaptation, THEY DON'T WANT THAT....and ya know what? They have every right to feel that way and shout it from the rafters....

 

[psylockolussus]

There's some article about Trank using some new Cloud graphic tech for the film.

I feel good about this!

Trank has found a way to create visual effects without spending too money from Fox! t:

 

[Kelly]

I'm happy for ya......

 

[Big V]

Lol, certainly no new posts here in the "Positive Thread" after that Doom announcement.

 

[BatsDC]

I have something positive to say - the likelyhood of the rights coming back must have just increased somewhat! t:

 

[Dark Raven]

Lol, certainly no new posts here in the "Positive Thread" after that Doom announcement.

You do realise that, in this bizarro world forum where 95% of the posters don't want this movie, that the positive thread is actually more like the negative thread and the "negative" ones are actually the positive ones?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Up until yesterday I was very open-minded with this but they have no interest in giving people like me a leg to stand on.

I may still see it but I can't be positive much about it anymore after the Doom reveal. We could still have a great movie but it won't be even a UFF adaption now

These days it's all about studios and not franchises. A bad Aquaman movie would be held against the next movie from WB. Fox has worked hard to build goodwill over the last five years and the silence and general lack of good promotion with this is going to undo that hard work

Like I said it still has the possibility of being a great movie but many won't care to know based on the accuracy issue.

I have something positive to say - the likelyhood of the rights coming back must have just increased somewhat! t:

Ugh. No they haven't. When will you people get it. They have F4 for another seven years even if it flops. The only way marvel are getting them is if Fox opt to sell and Disney opts to buy

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

If FF tanks, Fox's X-franchise will be just fine. I don't think general audiences will connect one with the other. I believe Fox knows this which is why they are putting way more effort into Apocalypse. That's their focus and it should be. It's the only successful comic book franchise they really have ever had. I think the Deadpool film is Fox throwing fans a bone after the inexplicable way they have handled the FF. But if done right that can at least tie into future X-Men films, X-Force etc.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Oh I didn't mean in their movie quality or numbers just that online people will use this against the franchise

 

[Orba]

I think we can safely put the X-Men/FF crossover rumour to bed.