The Positive Thread

[TeeKay]

If all that is ok is to either state..."so excited for this film", or only speaking of positive we are hearing, or "not gonna say anything until I see the film"...well, that would be a very boring conversation.

If opinions from all sides of a film are not heard, and not given freely (as long as respectfully), then again it makes for a very boring conversation.

Speculation is the name of the game on boards like this....that is what they are all about.

If all you are going to state is .... "well I'm holding any opinion until I've seen the film" then there is no need for you to come back to the forum. Just read the news on the front page and move on. Which is fine if that is how people want to wait for a movie, but on sites like this one, that makes for a very boring wait time. IMO, you can certainly state that, but still find things that you are very happy with, or not happy at all about and talk about those things as well....in fact, that is what I would expect most people to do.

Now, if all someone is going to say is..... "I hope this thing tanks", and "This whole thing sucks"....well, that will be just as boring. I can think of MAYBE 2 people that do that on this particular forum, so to put everyone in a general category of "positive" and "negative" is just not correct.

I also, see people on here that as soon as someone brings up a negative they are immediately tagged with "hater" or another word that was used quite a bit on here at the beginning, that was WAY off base for the majority of posters on this forum questioning certain aspects of the project. As I stated before, both of those groups have A COUPLE OF THING IN COMMON....they immediately generalize all negative as "haters" and call them as such, or immediately generalize all positives as "shills" or "non-fans" and call them as such....OR do what I call "drive by posts" that do not give a strong, well thought out reason for their opinion. These are a huge MINORITY on this forum, I could probably list maybe 3 names that would fall in one or the other. That is pretty good, considering this project has had some MAJOR controversies come along with it.

Doom Is almost certinly taken from 615.The ages and origin Is taken from ultimate FF.Beyond that who knows.

How did you come to that conclusion?

The attitude by some it's destined to fail since it's fox and not Disney Is wrong. Considering my feeling towards disney I don't care that FF can't be used In avengers sequel or GotG Sequel.

That's not the sole reason why people want the rights back at marvel.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Bringing your negativity into postive thread I see.

You must not have been paying attention when it was announced that a victor Von Doom would In Fantatic four.There Is no Victor Von Doom In Ultimate FF.

Most of comments I see are about the FF and Doom In avengers sequel and silver surfer and galactus In GOTG sequels.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Most of comments I see are about the FF and Doom In avengers sequel and silver surfer and galactus In GOTG sequels.

That may what some folks are keen on but that's not what it's about for me. As a fan of the FF I certainly don't want to see them cannibalized solely for their villains nor do I feel this burning need for some hypothetical Avengers/Fantastic Four crossover. The benefit to me of the FF being in the MCU is that you could tell better stories by playing off the vast tapestry of Marvel canon.

Characters like the Sub-Mariner and the Inhumans are a huge part of Fantastic Four lore. Reed Richards and T'Challa have a friendship in the comics that I would love to see realized on the big screen. The Frightful Four even seems a more distinct possibility if the FF were in the hands of Marvel. Reed Richards is a member of the Illuminati. Hulk vs. Thing is a classic matchup along the lines of Hulk vs. Thor.

Beyond that you of course have the cosmic impact. Characters like Galactus, Silver Surfer, Kl'rt and Annihilus all play into some pretty significant Marvel stories. I don't mean to derail the thread here but I just wanted to point out that not everyone feels the way you are describing.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Glad they won't be at SDCC---it's way too soon.

I wouldn't say it's too soon but given the reaction they'd get at this point in production I'm glad they're not there.

 

[EssayM]

That may what some folks are keen on but that's not what it's about for me. As a fan of the FF I certainly don't want to see them cannibalized solely for their villains nor do I feel this burning need for some hypothetical Avengers/Fantastic Four crossover. The benefit to me of the FF being in the MCU is that you could tell better stories by playing off the vast tapestry of Marvel canon.

Characters like the Sub-Mariner and the Inhumans are a huge part of Fantastic Four lore. Reed Richards and T'Challa have a friendship in the comics that I would love to see realized on the big screen. The Frightful Four even seems a more distinct possibility if the FF were in the hands of Marvel. Reed Richards is a member of the Illuminati. Hulk vs. Thing is a classic matchup along the lines of Hulk vs. Thor.

Beyond that you of course have the cosmic impact. Characters like Galactus, Silver Surfer, Kl'rt and Annihilus all play into some pretty significant Marvel stories. I don't mean to derail the thread here but I just wanted to point out that not everyone feels the way you are describing.

All of those would be cool to see...but I hardly think any of them are that necessary, even just to expand the canvas. With all the characters and worlds Marvel still has the rights to, they could keep going with cosmic-level stories for years without bringing in the FF, and the only ones who would feel at all cheated would be fans of the comics.

And anyway, even if Marvel got the FF back today, their schedule is so packed that we wouldn't see the results for at least another decade or two, and by then the larger MCU will probably be so well established as to make the FF seem like small potatoes.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

All of those would be cool to see...but I hardly think any of them are that necessary, even just to expand the canvas. With all the characters and worlds Marvel still has the rights to, they could keep going with cosmic-level stories for years without bringing in the FF, and the only ones who would feel at all cheated would be fans of the comics.

Yes this is probably true. General audiences will not know any differently. BUT they also won't know what they're missing out on.

And anyway, even if Marvel got the FF back today, their schedule is so packed that we wouldn't see the results for at least another decade or two, and by then the larger MCU will probably be so well established as to make the FF seem like small potatoes.

I hear this argument a lot but frankly if Marvel is to survive they really don't have a choice. They have to move forward and their signature world building requires that they do things in the films now that may come into play 3-4 films down the road. BUT if the FF ever did come home? There's no doubt - in my mind at least - that they would rapidly adapt to work them into that plan.

But I digress - my main point was that there are those of us who actively root for these characters to return to Marvel that DO NOT want to see the franchise merely raped and pillaged for the sake of enriching the Avengers films. I could see why that prospect would be distasteful to some and am of the same mindset.

Returning to the topic of this thread - if Fox can surprise us doubting Thomases with a truly "fantastic" Fantastic Four - it would ease the sting somewhat of not seeing our favorite characters interwoven into that same rich tapestry that made reading the comics such a blast growing up.

 

[Kelly]

I think people are turning to a discussion of mostly Doom because the fans that people have seem to label "haters" are in reality trying very hard to find something POSITIVE about this project. The simple fact that Doom is CALLED Doom, and not Van Damme to them is a possibility that they will get a 616 Doom. That is a POSITIVE, and for some, the only positive thing they have heard thus far. So, it is natural that Doom is going to begin to push the conversation in the Positive thread.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I think people are turning to a discussion of mostly Doom because the fans that people have seem to label "haters" are in reality trying very hard to find something POSITIVE about this project. The simple fact that Doom is CALLED Doom, and not Van Damme to them is a possibility that they will get a 616 Doom. That is a POSITIVE, and for some, the only positive thing they have heard thus far. So, it is natural that Doom is going to begin to push the conversation in the Positive thread.

That's not hard to find though. The recent Kinberg interview spoke of honouring the source (positive), that Kinberg interview and MBJs interview spoke of the family dynamic being central to the movie (positive). Mara said they were drawing from the history of the comics (positive). Bell confirmed the Thing will be cgi and made of rocks (positive)

It's not hard to find the positive if one lets themself.

 

[Kelly]

That's not hard to find though. The recent Kinberg interview spoke of honouring the source (positive), that Kinberg interview and MBJs interview spoke of the family dynamic being central to the movie (positive). Mara said they were drawing from the history of the comics (positive). Bell confirmed the Thing will be cgi and made of rocks (positive)

It's not hard to find the positive if one lets themself.

That is all talk, the fact that Doom's name has been used consistently throughout the process is what can be seen as a positive. I haven't really seen anything that a hardcore fan can for sure say...WOW, can't wait to see that...

As far as myself, I won't believe ANY OF IT until I see it....lol, but that doesn't mean that I can't be interested in the process of it all.

I actually think that they are really banking on the GA far more than the hardcore fan, and that is kind of "popcorn and coke" sit back and watch kind of interesting...

 

[Mysteryman]

What do we know about this version of Von Doom?
Anything?

 

[Eddie]

What do we know about this version of Von Doom?
Anything?

He gets his powers in the same accident as the main group.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

What do we know about this version of Von Doom?
Anything?

So far only that he's called Victor Von Doom and played by Toby Kebell

 

[Eddie]

So far only that he's called Victor Von Doom and played by Toby Kebell

Kinberg alluded to Doom getting powers along with the main group some time ago.

 

[JP]

There was that Doombots rumor.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Kinberg alluded to Doom getting powers along with the main group some time ago.

Direct quote from Kinberg:

By the end of the movie, we don't call them the Fantastic Four. They are not celebrity superheroes. The tone of the movie is much more grounded, real and gritty; more in the direction of Chronicle then in the direction of the original Fantastic Four movies. It is really about how four, and in some ways five - with Victor von Doom, how five people go from being normal people in the world to being transformed when it first happens to something abnormal and then by the end sort of super human.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/we-dont-call-them-fantastic-four-says-simon-kinberg-video

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kinberg alluded to Doom getting powers along with the main group some time ago.

Here's the quote:

"By the end of the movie, we don't call them the Fantastic Four. They are not celebrity superheroes. The tone of the movie is much more grounded, real and gritty; more in the direction of Chronicle then in the direction of the original Fantastic Four movies. It is really about how four, and in some ways five - with Victor von Doom, how five people go from being normal people in the world to being transformed when it first happens to something abnormal and then by the end sort of super human."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Direct quote from Kinberg:

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/we-dont-call-them-fantastic-four-says-simon-kinberg-video

Beat me to it!

 

[Donut]

If the four wont even have costumes will Doom even have a costume ? How can this Doom be Doom without the costume ?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Beat me to it!

Too funny!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

If the four wont even have costumes will Doom even have a costume ? How can this Doom be Doom without the costume ?

To be fair, they haven't come flat out and said there are no costumes (I don't believe) but there have been a lot of indicators that that may be the case. As of now it's just speculation/rumor. I would actually be surprised if there were costumes however. And I'm expecting a radical take on Dr. Doom's look. Just a feeling I have...

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'd hazard a guess that they get their costumes late into the movie like in First Class

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think it's almost a given that we won't have traditional costumes. I would be good with blue flight suits - something much more practical like Captain America's uniform in the first film, but I think even that might be hoping for too much.

We could see a more traditional Doom, but I don't know how much of that is wishful thinking on my part. The above quote would certainly hint at something similar to UFF and the first film.

Hopefully some of this time Kinberg is spending on the set is being devoted to bending them more toward 616. The rumors that they were going to fire Trank and recast combined with Kinberg's recent interview could indicate they realized at the last minute they need to have more traditional elements.

 

[EssayM]

I don't think there's much they can do to screw up Doom's look. Even the more out-there versions I've seen usually have the basic green cloak/metal faceplate combo. They'd have to be the most ghetto production ever to get that design wrong.

As far as bending toward 616, they might not fully change to that direction given that they've already hired the younger cast, but both Kinberg and Mara have said something to the effect of "We're not just borrowing from one version", so hopefully there will at least be an even mix of UFF, 616, and whatever else they want to throw in there.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'd hazard a guess that they get their costumes late into the movie like in First Class

Who knows if they aren't just calling them costumes, but outfits that resemble the costumes from the comic-books? Anyway, it would be pretty weird and questionable if they don't have costumes or outfits for the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom.

 

[JP]

New Kinberg video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHnOuhaDuOQ