The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[CaptainClown]

why not have Jason Todd be first and have him die then get grayson

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

NO ROBIN, plz thnx

 

[CaptainClown]

well not as Robin. If I did introduce a robin like character. I would have him be Bruce Waynes ward, and since Bruce is out most of the time and (for the sake of a name) Jason is in a huge mansion with nothing to do he would go out and spend money and basically get into fights. He would be trying to do his own little vigilantism just like being a rich punk then Batman sets him straight and then bam he is killed

 

[TheLongestDay]

i think robin could be done well,if written right and the tone was correct-alot of what puts people off about Robin is the costume lol.

In the comics the point has always been that Robin is the light in Batmans dark world,constantly keeping him back from the brink of insanity and stopping him from becoming one of the bad guys himself.

I know Nolan doesnt like the character-but hes also stated he just doesnt know how he would do it,maybe if he figured out a way it could be great.

All that said-my personal preference is loner a Batman...who doesnt kill

 

[CaptainClown]

ya I like loner Batman, but I wouldn't mind the aspect of him taking on an orphan because of a related incident. I just don't want him following batman around.

 

[TheLongestDay]

ya I like loner Batman, but I wouldn't mind the aspect of him taking on an orphan because of a related incident. I just don't want him following batman around.

unless he discoverd who bruce really was and began to idolize him and took it upon himself to follow in his footsteps without bruces consent, (because of the similarities between there tragedies) and ends up getting himself killed.

Itd be a harsh lesson for Bats

 

[LexCorp]

i think robin could be done well,if written right and the tone was correct-alot of what puts people off about Robin is the costume lol.

In the comics the point has always been that Robin is the light in Batmans dark world,constantly keeping him back from the brink of insanity and stopping him from becoming one of the bad guys himself.

I know Nolan doesnt like the character-but hes also stated he just doesnt know how he would do it,maybe if he figured out a way it could be great.

All that said-my personal preference is loner a Batman...who doesnt kill

That does scare me sometimes lol

 

[TheLongestDay]

its the pixie boots!

 

[CaptainClown]

ya, I think that would be a good story. He could sneak out at night and beat up kids mainly because he doesn't like them but he thinks he is doing right. Then like in one incident the joker stumbles upon him remembers its Bruce Waynes ward because he could have killed the kids parents. Then blah blah kid dies Wayne then turns from kind of charming playboy wayne to secluded wayne

 

[TheLongestDay]

ya, I think that would be a good story. He could sneak out at night and beat up kids mainly because he doesn't like them but he thinks he is doing right. Then like in one incident the joker stumbles upon him remembers its Bruce Waynes ward because he could have killed the kids parents. Then blah blah kid dies Wayne then turns from kind of charming playboy wayne to secluded wayne

i really like that idea

 

[CaptainClown]

thanks, you helped with it. But I think that would be a better way to go with the boy wonder. Actually before the kid (I will name him Jason because I think that story fits perfect) dies, he should be caught by Batman and he explains you don't need to fight to stop crime. He then tells him about how he needs to try hard be a cop or a lawyer and do good blah blah. Then Jason would stop his little vigilantism and then just hang with his bestfriend Barbra Gordon (little tie in like it like it? hah) anyway then they both get kidnapped because its the Comissioners daughter and Bruce Waynes ward.

Then the kidnappers would decide to kill Barbra since the commissioner has nothing they want and they just want revenge Jason saves her and dies a hero. Then batman opens a can of whoopass and I guess starts the Jason Todd scholarship fund for orphaned kids to go to prestigious schools and blah blah blah. That is how you could get Tim Drake into Bruces life later. As for Dick uhhhhh

 

[TheLongestDay]

cool ideas,as far as dick goes-arent they using him in the Teen Titans movie? But as Nightwing?...i have no idea how thats going to work (unless its set in the future)

 

[CaptainClown]

I really have no idea. I think you should fuse Dick and Tim together to make Dim Drakson (shrug)

It would make sense to have an older Dick Grayson who takes on the Nightwing persona right from the start. But him and Bruce bump heads so much. Would be nice to see Dick head Wayne Tech when Bruce retires though. Well I should say "retires"

 

[Gotham]

cool ideas,as far as dick goes-arent they using him in the Teen Titans movie? But as Nightwing?...i have no idea how thats going to work (unless its set in the future)

From what I have been hearing and reading, Nightwing is a shoe in for the central character. He really is a more demented, bad-ass character that had his basis ruined by Batman & Robin. I am looking forward to the teaser poster, crew commenting, and production to begin!

 

[TheLongestDay]

i actually quite liked how they fused Jason Todd and Tim Drake in the animated series...but i also LOVE Jason as the Red Hood in the comics right now (filling up a kit bag with gangster heads and so on...hehe)

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I Jason Todd is my favorite just because there actually is some noticeable progress with the character. He also like most of Batmans Villains is the result of Batmans interference, which I like the idea of how whenever Bruce tries to do good it always turns out bad. Except in a few cases.

 

[TheLongestDay]

see that could work in a movie...the whole idea of escalation.

Jason could idolize Batman and become a copycat vigilante,and become progressively darker-and starts killing people

In the books he recently said to Bats "Im you,the you youre afraid to be-im doing what needs to be done"

Batman would then have to take him out and he would be partly responsible for Jasons actions

 

[TheLongestDay]

in fact the more i think about it,the more i could see Jason fitting into Nolans world-plus he doesnt have to be a teenager!

 

[Gianakin_]

The thing on the train with Al-Ghul is still debatable.

"I don't have to save you", still comes back to, technically I'm killing you. If I see a villain about to be killed and dont' do ****, that's still me letting him die.

Considering the rumors we've heard of Batman having to save the Joker from Two-Face's wrath, I think that Nolan might have went for Bruce making a mistake on the train, acknowledging it and not repeating it again, thus maturing. It's pure speculation, but it's possible.

 

[Gianakin_]

if anything, i dont want another "nolan-zied" batman. after seeing begins, it was just too long, too much talking and not enough action.

I will not bash your right to disagree wit BB and what Nolan is doing.
But please, don't start any of your posts again by saying that you love all of the Bat-films, please. You start by stating that and you eventually contradict yourself big time in almost every post of yours.

 

[El Payaso]

In the comics the point has always been that Robin is the light in Batmans dark world,constantly keeping him back from the brink of insanity and stopping him from becoming one of the bad guys himself.

In Nolan's Batman world it seems that what helps Batman from becoming one of the bad guys is his own determination and conviction.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

In Nolan's Batman world it seems that what helps Batman from becoming one of the bad guys is his own determination and conviction.

And Alfred......And Rachel

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

unless he discoverd who bruce really was and began to idolize him and took it upon himself to follow in his footsteps without bruces consent, (because of the similarities between there tragedies) and ends up getting himself killed.

Itd be a harsh lesson for Bats

I'd rather Nolan not do Robin than to bring him in and just have him killed or never have him become Robin.

 

[TheLongestDay]

I'd rather Nolan not do Robin than to bring him in and just have him killed or never have him become Robin.

but it would be a good way of explaining his absence in this franchise should they ever feel the need

 

[terry78]

Just bring in Maxie Zeus and end this debate.