The Reboot Joker

[Rorschach2012]

I hope the new Joker design is completely different from TDK

 

[Sharkboy]

No I want as classic a joker as you can get. Great thing about the Nolan series is that he did his own thing, the aesthetics were all grounded and practical as can be, which means in this reboot, when Snyder attempts to differentiate his vision from the previous one (as you tend to do in reboots) it means it automatically lands in the more comic book accurate domain. I'm not one for being obssessed with comic book accuracy, but in this case, a joker that actually looks like the classic comic look would be refreshing.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I loved Heath Ledger's Joker look, but yeah something more like the comics would be refreshing. I'd definitely prefer that.

 

[DACrowe]

Yes, all those who seem to want creepier designs than Ledger. Let's not try to out-weird what Nolan did visually. He pushed it to the most extreme point that didn't escape the fact that it was the Joker. By trying to one-up that creepiness factor, the comics ended up giving us something far more removed with the stupid "face-off" concept.

If you are to do the Joker, go back toward the comics more visually to be different.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'm just interested in the eyes lol

Black sclera of the eyes and white iris's , like the New 52, that would look unsettling and unearthly.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yeah that faceless Joker thing was kinda interesting at first, but its a bit extreme for my tastes... Joker is grotesque enough already

 

[Rodrigo90]

It was too much like Leatherface. That shouldn't be done on film.

Mind, I do like that Joker with the no lips and cheeks, showing his teeth all the time...however...how would he be able to speak properly? He couldn't

 

[Leevor]

How I'd do Joker:

Keep the chemical bath origin, but only have it bleach his skin white and burn his hair gray or black. The lips and green hair are make-up. That way we have the best of both worlds. The grotesque white skin remains from the day he went mad, as a symbol of his descent into insanity. He doesn't hide it. He revels in his deformity. He glorifies it through make-up and bright-colored clothing. Red lipstick. Green hair dye. Black eye shadow.

Glasgow smile optional.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Wow I absolutely hate that post. It sucks at an immense and ridiculous level. Holy ****. And are those supposed to be criticisms? It looks like frikkin' rampant idiocy with that **** on his post! Holy crap does this suck....I hope I stay far away from this poster. And then there's the lack of knowledge of other artists....this poster just looks absolutely stupid.

Asshat detected.

Also no human looks like that image you posted which still doesn't look enough like that crappy "Joker" we were just talking about. The image you've posted has an exaggerated, cartoonish smile/mouth, it's not missing its skin on its face...like that *****ty "concept" drawing. The "eyebrows"/"forehead brows" reminded me of The Orphan and Antman in that image...one of which is what I posted.

Like saying the JLA should look like this in live action because this is how they've been drawn (edit: have you seen Tim Sale's Superman? He looks like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man at times):

 

[Kevin Smith]

The new design needs to be more simplistic. Like a clash between Nicholson and DKR Joker. I do want the permawhite skin and smile.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yeah that faceless Joker thing was kinda interesting at first, but its a bit extreme for my tastes... Joker is grotesque enough already

I hope they go for a cleaner look this time around. I think it's revisionist to say that Heath's Joker didn't look scary enough

I think the Arkham Origins look would be great for a reboot, though.

Traditional, but disturbing.

 

[Kevin Smith]

One thing I do really like about Ledger's Joker visually is the black around the eyes. I'd like a more traditional look but for it to include that. Reminds me of TAS Joker.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Me too. The black should stay.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Joker's look was perfect in TDK. But we should get a more fantastical/comic book Joker this time. I'd love to see the return of the permagrin and permawhite Joker.


And Joker gas has to come back. I was disappointed Joker didn't use his signature gas in TDK, and I don't think it would've been too unrealistic for that world.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ The Joker HIMSELF was perfect for TDK. TDK's Joker made the changes necessary to distance itself from old incarnations and fit into Nolan's world. I can't say the same for Batman. Would making Batman a major detective REALLY detract from the gritty real-world tone of the series?

As far as the gas..just lace laughing gas with a deadly poison. Simple, right?

And yet Scarecrow was allowed to keep his fear gas. What gives?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Joker's look was perfect in TDK. But we should get a more fantastical/comic book Joker this time. I'd love to see the return of the permagrin and permawhite Joker.


And Joker gas has to come back. I was disappointed Joker didn't use his signature gas in TDK, and I don't think it would've been too unrealistic for that world.

It was unnecessary really.

Joker likes his victims to look like him. The grins from the gas wouldn't have matched his face. That's why he got up close and cut and painted them instead.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I DEFINITELY want the laughing gas back. That's one of my favorite things about the Joker and I too was disappointed he didn't have it in TDK. Laughing to death by gas with a smile on your face that's beyond your control is way more terrifying than a guy with a knife looking to cut your face. Besides, he can do masses of people at once with the gas.

I don't see the laughing gas as unrealistic, either. And it's truly terrifying...always thought that as a kid but was also fascinated by it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

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[Astro13Zombie]

Yeah,traditional is the way to go I'd say.
Much prefer the perma white skin over makeup.

I've always really loved this fake poster from a few years ago.
Pretty much perfect IMO

 

[Rodrigo90]

Water dropwort plant + nitrous oxide = Joker venom

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I DEFINITELY want the laughing gas back. That's one of my favorite things about the Joker and I too was disappointed he didn't have it in TDK. Laughing to death by gas with a smile on your face that's beyond your control is way more terrifying than a guy with a knife looking to cut your face. Besides, he can do masses of people at once with the gas.

I don't see the laughing gas as unrealistic, either. And it's truly terrifying...always thought that as a kid but was also fascinated by it.

I don't know..I think the knife is scarier. But Joker in TDK had the element of plot-convenient brainwashing. Gambol tried to kill him, but not with a gun

And I also agree that the knife was his way of creating more Joker-faces.

Whereas if it's a more traditional Joker, his appearance was altered chemically, so his attacks would be more chemical in nature.

I think the reboot Joker should come across as both unassuming and later menacing, rather than manic from the get go.

Think how much more imposing Dirty Harry was to Scorpio, although Scorpio was more of a master planner.

 

[The Endless]

I thought Nicholson's Joker holding a conversation with a smouldering corpse was more creepy than anything Ledger's Joker did, TBH.

Bring the hand buzzer back!

 

[regwec]

The Joker isn't meant merely to be "extreme", "scary" or "grotesque". Those should be elements that lie beneath his skin. Outwardly, he should be able to appear seductive in his dark charisma, like the Devil. He should also be able to exude something approaching charm. That isn't really possible if he looks like a zombie.

Two Face should make you feel nauseous on sight; The Joker should make you feel nauseous with fear.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I don't know..I think the knife is scarier. But Joker in TDK had the element of plot-convenient brainwashing. Gambol tried to kill him, but not with a gun

And I also agree that the knife was his way of creating more Joker-faces.

Whereas if it's a more traditional Joker, his appearance was altered chemically, so his attacks would be more chemical in nature.

I think the reboot Joker should come across as both unassuming and later menacing, rather than manic from the get go.

Think how much more imposing Dirty Harry was to Scorpio, although Scorpio was more of a master planner.

I think the Joker could use a knife and gas and really whatever to get his point across. I prefer the laughing gas for the smile but whether he is permawhite or not, I don't see him choosing the gas over a knife because it's a chemical based thing as being a must, I get what you're saying about it in a logical sense like chemical accident = chemical weapons, knife accident = knife weapons, but that's the thing about the Joker; there is no logic about him. I think whether he's scarred by a knife or chemical bath he'd still use the laughing gas, and I also think he'd be tooly with knives regardless of how he came to be the way he is too. Like how he came to be wouldn't have any bearing on how he attacked people. I don't see why they couldn't do both. He'd like the gas cuz it's easy and he's immune to it but I still think he'd use a knife regardless. Just my opinion on that and how I see the Joker. Like in the animated series he uses the gas which I like but he has also used a knife from time to time....(and guns of course)... but he'd use a knife to get up close and dirty if he felt like doing so, I think. Either way, laughing gas is a must, I feel.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I thought Nicholson's Joker holding a conversation with a smouldering corpse was more creepy than anything Ledger's Joker did, TBH.

Bring the hand buzzer back!

Hahaha that's a great scene, and I'd love to see the hand buzzer again.