The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 10

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[Willie Lumpkin]

So it looks like i continue to be right that Fox will never give the rights back. Good.

It would be quite a fool who would wake up every morning and think "I continue to be right that I'll never die."

... particularly someone who has been mortally wounded.

 

[Dark Raven]

Now if only all the other FFINO defenders would also crawl back out of the woodwork. It would be quite entertaining to watch.

 

[B]

So it looks like i continue to be right that Fox will never give the rights back. Good.

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[First Avenger]

I love that some of them completely disappeared after Fant4stic and Apocalypse while those who keep posting call people(even fellow X-fans)'haters' or 'Marvel fanboys' who don't like anything Fox does,when most people loved the likes of X2,DoFP, Deadpool and Logan.

 

[Web-Head]

Marvel will get the rights soon bc Fox ain't making another one

 

[Vader's Fist]

We all say that Fox won't make another Fantastic Four film, which is more than likely true. However, what's to stop them making something like a Silver Surfer spin off, delaying the rights reversion even further? I hate to be that guy who punctures people's hope, but it doesn't seem like a scenario anyone else is considering.

 

[DyfeddRex]

We all say that Fox won't make another Fantastic Four film, which is more than likely true. However, what's to stop them making something like a Silver Surfer spin off, delaying the rights reversion even further? I hate to be that guy who punctures people's hope, but it doesn't seem like a scenario anyone else is considering.

I'm more worried they might decide to do a villian centered movie, and do "Ruler of Latveria", but hey, as some point out, sooner or later the odds say they could make a decent FF related movie.

 

[Zarex]

We all say that Fox won't make another Fantastic Four film, which is more than likely true. However, what's to stop them making something like a Silver Surfer spin off, delaying the rights reversion even further? I hate to be that guy who punctures people's hope, but it doesn't seem like a scenario anyone else is considering.

I suppose it's possible, but there have been rumors that FOX has to make Fantastic Four films in order to keep the contract current. A Surfer film would be pricey to produce and a very tough sell outside of the established cosmic MCU. I don't think that is a viable option.

 

[Vader's Fist]

I suppose it's possible, but there have been rumors that FOX has to make Fantastic Four films in order to keep the contract current. A Surfer film would be pricey to produce and a very tough sell outside of the established cosmic MCU. I don't think that is a viable option.

Honestly, I could see it happening. It's likely they'd still want something off their own to compete with MCU Phase 4, which looks set to be almost entirely cosmic focused. Success spawns imitators. For example, although this is only based on rumors I've heard, Sony only want to make a Venom movie to have their own anti-hero, with which they can then cash in on the success of Deadpool (Which, if it is true, shows how they've completely lost the plot, given how different Venom and Deadpool are).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

We all say that Fox won't make another Fantastic Four film, which is more than likely true. However, what's to stop them making something like a Silver Surfer spin off, delaying the rights reversion even further? I hate to be that guy who punctures people's hope, but it doesn't seem like a scenario anyone else is considering.

I suppose it's possible, but there have been rumors that FOX has to make Fantastic Four films in order to keep the contract current. A Surfer film would be pricey to produce and a very tough sell outside of the established cosmic MCU. I don't think that is a viable option.

Yeah, we have discussed this and I think SS is more likely than FF (and then there's a question regarding if that's enough to extend the rights), but as Zarex says, Silver Surfer would be WAY outside of Fox's comfort zone.

SS would have to depend on more of a cult following than the much more broadly known FF and tougher to market and get people interested (sort of like Venom vs. Spidey).

And it would require exotic sets, CGI, Costumes etc. - even more so than FF. If Fox had any real interest in doing a cosmic film like that, they should have done that with FF and they wouldn't be in this mess.

But Fox likes inexpensive 'grounded' films like Deadpool, and they're extremely risk averse. And Silver Surfer (particularly since people like us would be the primary theoretical audience) would be an extremely risky project.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Yeah, we have discussed this and I think SS is more likely than FF (and then there's a question regarding if that's enough to extend the rights), but as Zarex says, Silver Surfer would be WAY outside of Fox's comfort zone.

SS would have to depend on more of a cult following than the much more broadly known FF and tougher to market and get people interested (sort of like Venom vs. Spidey).

And it would require exotic sets, CGI, Costumes etc. - even more so than FF. If Fox had any real interest in doing a cosmic film like that, they should have done that with FF and they wouldn't be in this mess.

But Fox likes inexpensive 'grounded' films like Deadpool, and they're extremely risk averse. And Silver Surfer (particularly since people like us would be the primary theoretical audience) would be an extremely risky project.

Well, us and the Satriani fans out there who would know the reference if they used that one song from a certain album. But, SS would work if they used the Kirby-esque SS that album cover held.

 

[Vader's Fist]

Yeah, we have discussed this and I think SS is more likely than FF (and then there's a question regarding if that's enough to extend the rights), but as Zarex says, Silver Surfer would be WAY outside of Fox's comfort zone.

SS would have to depend on more of a cult following than the much more broadly known FF and tougher to market and get people interested (sort of like Venom vs. Spidey).

And it would require exotic sets, CGI, Costumes etc. - even more so than FF. If Fox had any real interest in doing a cosmic film like that, they should have done that with FF and they wouldn't be in this mess.

But Fox likes inexpensive 'grounded' films like Deadpool, and they're extremely risk averse. And Silver Surfer (particularly since people like us would be the primary theoretical audience) would be an extremely risky project.

Good Points I hadn't thought of. Well, if they can't/won't make a SS movie, then there really are no other characters in the FF package (outside of the Foursome) that can support their own spinoff barring, as DyfeddRex pointed out, some kind of a Latverian courtroom drama with Doom as the lead. Though how many would actually want to see that type of movie is the question.

 

[metaphysician]

I seriously doubt a Silver Surfer movie would extend the Fantastic Four contract. It almost certainly specifies that you have to make a movie about the Fantastic Four to extend it. Not about a separate character who got lumped in. Its not even like with Wolverine, where he's a member of the team the contract is about.

In any case, a Silver Surfer movie would be far more expensive than a new FF movie, so I can't see Fox doing such. If they are dead set on holding the rights, they'll just make another terrible FF movie.

( Also, for those who feel glee at Marvel literally never getting the rights back, two words: statutory reversion. Marvel *will* get the rights back. Its just a question of whether it happens prior to the 2030s. )

 

[Rorschach2012]

A Silver Surfer movie would be so awesome. With the character rights that Fox has, they could do a pretty good one too if they tried

 

[wobbly]

( Also, for those who feel glee at Marvel literally never getting the rights back, two words: statutory reversion. Marvel *will* get the rights back. Its just a question of whether it happens prior to the 2030s. )

I was wondering about that. Unless there is some clause in the contracts that gets by that, in theory Marvel could file for that next year as the original agreement (made with Constantin first and transferred to Fox later) was made in 1983.

 

[Vader's Fist]

I was wondering about that. Unless there is some clause in the contracts that gets by that, in theory Marvel could file for that next year as the original agreement (made with Constantin first and transferred to Fox later) was made in 1983.

Hold on. I thought Marvel originally sold the rights in the 90s because they went bankrupt, unless there's something I'm missing. Anyone care to fill me in?

 

[GeckoMoria]

A Silver Surfer movie would be so awesome. With the character rights that Fox has, they could do a pretty good one too if they tried

The cosmic rights belong to Marvel which already has a fully operational and awesome cosmic universe at play.

 

[wobbly]

Hold on. I thought Marvel originally sold the rights, because they went bankrupt in the 90s, unless there's something I'm missing. Anyone care to fill me in?

Marvel sold the movie rights for the FF to Constantin films in 1983. The Corman flick kicked off production with hardly any time left on the deadline to keep those rights. That deal still stood when the Corman film was binned and any future films production was taken over by Fox (this is why Constantin still get a producer credit with Fox's FF films).

As for other deals Marvel sold off most of the movie rights before they went bankrupt. It's a myth when people say the big crown jewel sell off saved them from that, but it is true the movies success (Spider-man and X-Men, forget the others) certainly made sure Marvel could try for their own MCU in the long run.

It's also a common misconception when people talk about Fox or Sony 'owning' the rights. Technically they don't, but rather they bought a contract that entitles them to exclusively make films containing any characters bundled into those deals, and can keep doing so as long as they meet the deadlines contained within.

The actual Intellectual properties still belong to Marvel though, and that's where statutory reversion might apply, as that is about the IP owner being able to withdraw deals of this kind after 35 years.

 

[First Avenger]

I was wondering about that. Unless there is some clause in the contracts that gets by that, in theory Marvel could file for that next year as the original agreement (made with Constantin first and transferred to Fox later) was made in 1983.

That's interesting.

 

[Zant]

The cosmic rights belong to Marvel which already has a fully operational and awesome cosmic universe at play.

Cosmic rights.....lol.

 

[TheVileOne]

Litigate the hell out of Fox if they try anything again.

 

[Zant]

I would guess that Elektra film delayed the reversion for Daredevil,so spin offs are fair game. SONY is going spin off crazy for a reason.

 

[Spiderine]

Elektra was originally part of the Daredevil rights. I dont believe the same applied to the Surfer. At least from what I have heard.