The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

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[Dark Raven]

I hope the Baxter building doesn't just look like the old Stark tower with a new logo on it but has an actual redesign.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Soon this thread will be a years long testament to fanboy victory, so beautiful...

 

[Web-Head]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Stark Tower becoming the Baxter building. I'm still fairly convinced it'll Oscorp

 

[Dark Raven]

Soon this thread will be a years long testament to fanboy victory, so beautiful...

It needs to win at the Hype awards again.

 

[Spiderine]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Stark Tower becoming the Baxter building. I'm still fairly convinced it'll Oscorp

This is what I was thinking. Could have been setting up MCU Norman.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Spider-Fan posted:

Did we need a Starlord solo before Guardians of the Galaxy? That introduced many news elements not in the MCU before. X-Men can fit easily and explained without a solo from someone random like Gambit.

I disagree Star Lord is not on the MCU earth, or at least left as a child in the 80s with no public knowledge of enhanced people and aliens. I think you don't have to throw out the 12 years of the MCU to get some more star characters into play. Having a Shoah survivor, evil and good mutant groups, political representatives, schools for the gifted and all the X-Men attachments in a world before Captain America got pulled out of the ice, Tony Stark escaped the Ten Rings in Afghanistan, and Inhumans emerged blows up the MCU history.

With the blown up history you lose the "its all connected" as a story and marketing point. And thus lose the MCU strategy of building a base and using the DCEU strategy of placing the stars forward. The way I see it the big four Avenger actors will retire from their roles soon enough and then you have your X-Men in reserve to push forward in that next phase with the connected MCU intact. But then I am patient. I did wait 30 years for the technology to make Iron-Man and a studio willing to go with the MCU concept rather than buying a character/story as had been done since Christopher Reeves' Superman.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Fan posted:


I disagree Star Lord is not on the MCU earth, or at least left as a child in the 80s with no public knowledge of enhanced people and aliens. I think you don't have to throw out the 12 years of the MCU to get some more star characters into play. Having a Shoah survivor, evil and good mutant groups, political representatives, schools for the gifted and all the X-Men attachments in a world before Captain America got pulled out of the ice, Tony Stark escaped the Ten Rings in Afghanistan, and Inhumans emerged blows up the MCU history.

With the blown up history you lose the "its all connected" as a story and marketing point. And thus lose the MCU strategy of building a base and using the DCEU strategy of placing the stars forward. The way I see it the big four Avenger actors will retire from their roles soon enough and then you have your X-Men in reserve to push forward in that next phase with the connected MCU intact. But then I am patient. I did wait 30 years for the technology to make Iron-Man and a studio willing to go with the MCU concept rather than buying a character/story as had been done since Christopher Reeves' Superman.

Or simply, Mutants are new and now just emerging or becoming known. Therefore their existance didn't matter in the MCU prior. Problem solved.

 

[spider-neil]

Burn it all and start again.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Or simply, Mutants are new and now just emerging or becoming known. Therefore their existance didn't matter in the MCU prior. Problem solved.

And if they are new than how do they get together and become a team, different from Inhumans? Time is an asset. Just as you had an independent Ant-Man production going which was then worked into the MCU even if not exactly like a 1963 comic book. I would propose yes a Gambit can be one of those mutants to introduce the concept instead of Wolverine which would be the conventional movie studio move. With the concept of mutants introduced you then have time to build in some of the other mutant story which wasn't preempted by the MCU using Inhumans in their stead.

 

[Kanon]

It's the perfect moment to make an Age of Apocalypse film and reboot the hell out of the X-Men

 

[Spider-Fan]

And if they are new than how do they get together and become a team, different from Inhumans? Time is an asset. Just as you had an independent Ant-Man production going which was then worked into the MCU even if not exactly like a 1963 comic book. I would propose yes a Gambit can be one of those mutants to introduce the concept instead of Wolverine which would be the conventional movie studio move. With the concept of mutants introduced you then have time to build in some of the other mutant story which wasn't preempted by the MCU using Inhumans in their stead.

Charles Xavier could have known about it, as he is a psychic, and started the school knowing people like him would need it. So the X-Men already exist, just largely been on their own island. But, once the movie starts, they no longer can be in the shadows. It's really not hard to do and integrate them that way. As for the similarities to Inhumans, that was going to be a problem no matter how they did it and the movies never did anything with the Inhumans idea. All that was on TV, so most people are none the wiser and don't care.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Charles Xavier could have known about it, as he is a psychic, and started the school knowing people like him would need it. So the X-Men already exist, just largely been on their own island. But, once the movie starts, they no longer can be in the shadows. It's really not hard to do and integrate them that way. As for the similarities to Inhumans, that was going to be a problem no matter how they did it and the movies never did anything with the Inhumans idea. All that was on TV, so most people are none the wiser and don't care.

A lot just to get your star(s). I believe the shared universe is more important than the star character. The MCU versus the DCEU strategy

 

[Dark Raven]

So will they abandon the Inhumans Royal Family entirely now that they will have mutants in the MCU? The Inhumans were meant to be stand-ins for them.

What about the Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD?

But if Marvel get the FF back, will we never see them interact with the royal family? Although I don't want them interacting with THAT royal family. I say let that simply be an Elseworlds type tale. There was nothing that seemed to connect it to the wider MCU anyway.

 

[Spider-Fan]

A lot just to get your star(s). I believe the shared universe is more important than the star character. The MCU versus the DCEU strategy

That is not a lot. That is like 2 scenes of dialogue or basically just setting up mutants emerging in Act 1. This isn't complicated to do.

So will they abandon the Inhumans Royal Family entirely now that they will have mutants in the MCU? The Inhumans were meant to be stand-ins for them.

What about the Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD?

But if Marvel get the FF back, will we never see them interact with the royal family? Although I don't want them interacting with THAT royal family. I say let that simply be an Elseworlds type tale. There was nothing that seemed to connect it to the wider MCU anyway.

I think we'll be done with Inhumans more than likely, yes. Outside of them maybe being in Agents of SHIELD and such. The show didn't exactly set the world on fire.

 

[wobbly]

Easy out for Inhumans. Use Agents of Shield to have some macguffin that 'cures' most of the public that got affected by the Terrigen released in the sea. Doesn't affect the 'pure' Inhumans of Attilan (or Quake etc) so they can still play with them later on if they feel it's worth another shot.

 

[Orba]

Kamala Khan has a chance to show up as she is a popular character that ticks a lot of boxes but for the rest of the Inhumans they will probably go back on the shelf. And lets be honest, the only reason the Inhumans have gotten a big push over the past 10 years is because Marvel didn't have the Mutant rights. If Marvel had the Mutant rights at the time Kamala was created she would probably have been a Mutant rather than Inhuman, but marvel didn't want to be making a load of new characters that they couldn't use.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So, Alice Eve was cast in Iron Fist season 2, which rules her out as MCU's Sue Storm, unfortunatetly

 

[Web-Head]

This is what I was thinking. Could have been setting up MCU Norman.

I'd rather that be the case. Make the Flat iron building the Baxter building

 

[Web-Head]

So, Alice Eve was cast in Iron Fist season 2, which rules her out as MCU's Sue Storm, unfortunatetly

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I know, I feel the same

 

[Web-Head]

I know, I feel the same

She's been my dream choice for years. So upset

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

She's been my dream choice for years. So upset

With Eve out of the picture, good luck finding an actress that looks a stunningly beautiful as CB Sue AND brings an Emma Thompson-like intellect to the acting process.

well, then, of course, an actor playing two different roles in the MCU has happened before once or twice.

 

[Crimz]

So, Alice Eve was cast in Iron Fist season 2, which rules her out as MCU's Sue Storm, unfortunatetly

Dammit