The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 1

[Airnick]

Thank you, Repulsor.

Moving on, all the evidence we currently have points very strongly to Gwen dying, and nobody has yet offered any credible reasoning to refute that idea.

Agreed.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Take the same exact context. Gwen is inside the clock tower. Let's say that at midnight, the building breaks down and it would kill her.
Spider-Man tries to save her, but keeps getting interrupted by Goblin Harry. The idea of having a fight with limited time would be brillant in that context.
The clock tower is just a perfect choice.
The thrill of HEARING every single clocking noise when Spidey is fighting Harry would give you chills. Spidey would have to hurry up, because Tick-Tock, time is running out.
The concept is magnificiant. Sure feels a little déjà-vu, but still excellent, me thinks.
Of course, if it's going to happen this way, I expect Spider-Man to save Gwen. Because if he doesn't... It's going to be terrible.

That part of Harry interrupting Spidey while he tries to save Gwen would be cool

 

[Spideyfan117]

A bad ending is not the same thing as a sad or poignant ending... I know this because I am a writer. Don't ask me for proof though because you won't get it.

Okay, I'm not a writer, but my point still remains.

Technically you are a writer... because you're writing on this message board... Eh? Eeeehh? Funny, right? No? Okay then...

 

[Picard Sisko]

"I expect Spider-Man to save Gwen. Because if he doesn't... It's going to be terrible."

This really doesn't make sense. Why would it be terrible if he doesn't save her? Do we need a good 20 minutes of screen time to watch Peter do nothing but mope around and cry?

Did anyone not see "Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan?" Spock dying at the end of the film? Kirk's speech? No? Okay.

 

[Batdetective]

Besides, I don't really care if any of you don't think I'm a writer. I never said I was a professional one, in the first place. I could be a rank amateur.
I only claimed to know a couple things because of my experience. I didn't come here saying ''Everything you've said so far is pure crap. Believe me, I'm the real deal, yo.''
First of, I never said the writers of the Spider-Man 2 script had not enough time to fill everything. I raised the following question
With so much information given, do you think you can squeeze Gwen's death somewhere in that story?

I'm raising a debate. I'm not making any statement. I want to know what people are thinking. In my opinion, I think killing a major character when you have a crowded script isn't really a good idea and probably could lead into a disaster. I'm simply pointing that out by the fact that I have written scripts in the past and I know how it works. I have studied that domain, so I think it's fair to say I have little more knowledge than the average Joe walking down the streets.
It's ALL I'm saying. Am I right? Am I wrong? You decide! I'm giving opinions and analysis, never facts.

I'm here to share my knowledge with (what seemed like) smart people to create a nice debate. I don't pretend to know everything or have the answers you're asking for.

You don't have to take what I say for granted. If you think what I say is pure garbage, I'm fine with it. If you think my opinion isn't worth anything, I'm fine with it too.
You don't have to rage on about how much you think how stupid and how much of a phoney I might be.

Don't tell me to shut up. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me what I say isn't true.

 

[DigificWriter]

While I do believe she is more than likely to die, it isn't all that insane to think she will survive either. Still on the fence with that one.

You keep saying that it could go either way, but you have yet to offer any reasoning why you think it could go either way.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Questioning the validity of someone's claim does not necessarily entail being rude about it. Using language like 'idiot' on a site that's intended for civil discussion is inappropriate.

well i didn't say he wasn't harsh, just not too harsh :P

but agreed

i felt like i needed to point out that digi had a point that i agreed with. any name calling was ancillary to his argument.

ps. you are a poopy head, spideyfan117, and i will have those internet cookies, assuming you are the right spideyfan. man, there are so many of you guys lol.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Okay okay guys you two already explained yourselves lets just go back to the topic Alright?

 

[Spideyfan117]

ps. you are a poopy head, spideyfan117, and i will have those internet cookies, assuming you are the right spideyfan. man, there are so many of you guys lol.

Yeah, I'm the right one. lol And NEVEEEER!

 

[Picard Sisko]

You keep saying that it could go either way, but you have yet to offer any reasoning why you think it could go either way.

Why is it SO HARD for you to understand why I think it could go either way? THERE IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE. PERIOD.

I think she could very well die, but I think that there is still a good chance she could make it. Jesus Christ.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Technically you are a writer... because you're writing on this message board... Eh? Eeeehh? Funny, right? No? Okay then...

Its funny believe me

 

[sl500jazz]

Thank you, Repulsor.

Moving on, all the evidence we currently have points very strongly to Gwen dying, and nobody has yet offered any credible reasoning to refute that idea.

I'm with Picard on this one. I don't think her surviving is at all improbable, and the timeline inconsistencies (Winter scenes, Spring scenes, and Summer scenes and the potential order that they will appear in) doesn't really make things that conclusive.

Ultimately, we can only be 100% certain when the film is released.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Its funny believe me

I knew I could get some sort of reaction! lol

 

[Picard Sisko]

[/I]I'm raising a debate. I'm not making any statement. I want to know what people are thinking. In my opinion, I think killing a major character when you have a crowded script isn't really a good idea and probably could lead into a disaster. I'm simply pointing that out by the fact that I have written scripts in the past and I know how it works. I have studied that domain, so I think it's fair to say I have little more knowledge than the average Joe walking down the streets.
It's ALL I'm saying. Am I right? Am I wrong? You decide! I'm giving opinions and analysis, never facts.

Okay, but you are making an assumption that the script is overcrowded.

And btw, there isn't a formula that goes with screenwriting. I mean there are a few rules, but there isn't a formula that says you can only use one villain in a movie for example. Each writer has his or her own style and its best to avoid sticking to a formula… otherwise you risk impeding your own creativity.

 

[DigificWriter]

THERE IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE. PERIOD.

I think she could very well die, but I think that there is still a good chance she could make it. Jesus Christ.

How are set photos, trailer footage, and heavily loaded comments from the director and actress not solid evidence in your mind?

As the old saying goes, "if It walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's most likely a duck".

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm with Picard on this one. I don't think her surviving is at all improbable, and the timeline inconsistencies (Winter scenes, Spring scenes, and Summer scenes and the potential order that they will appear in) doesn't really make things that conclusive.

Ultimately, we can only be 100% certain when the film is released.

What pisses me off is that he acts as if I owe him a proper explanation as to why I think Gwen could survive TASM2. I think its stupid to say "X and Y is DEFINITELY going to happen" when there is no solid proof.

He told me that if Gwen dies, I owe him an apology. Pfft.

 

[Airnick]

Why is it SO HARD for you to understand why I think it could go either way? THERE IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE. PERIOD.

I think she could very well die, but I think that there is still a good chance she could make it. Jesus Christ.

I disagree Picard there's PLENTY of evidence.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How are set photos, trailer footage, and heavily loaded comments from the director and actress not solid evidence in your mind?

As the old saying goes, "if It walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's most likely a duck".

Find me a set photo of a dead Gwen, then I would consider that a confirmation. We see Gwen in her death outfit, Spider-Man trying to web something at the clock tower, and a few comments, but those can all be misleading. Unless you have insider information, then your beliefs aren't worth anything more than anyone else's.

 

[FN Spider-man]

Not the way it goes now adays, its all twists and turns

 

[Spideyfan117]

I'm with Picard on this one. I don't think her surviving is at all improbable, and the timeline inconsistencies (Winter scenes, Spring scenes, and Summer scenes and the potential order that they will appear in) doesn't really make things that conclusive.

Ultimately, we can only be 100% certain when the film is released.

I'm convinced she'll die. Just from the setup and the arc they seem to have going for these first three movies, it looks like it. But, just because something looks that way doesn't mean that's how it will play out. So you, Picard, Andrew, and anyone else have reason enough to doubt. Nothing is for certain until we see it ourselves.

 

[Picard Sisko]

You know what, DigificWriter? Give me a really good explanation as to why there is absolutely no chance Gwen could survive. Give me your reasoning as to why you think the cast and filmmakers' comments aren't meant to just mislead everyone. Why can't there be a takeout?

Whether its likely is a different story. We are talking about the possibility of Gwen surviving, no matter whatever the odds are.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

How are set photos, trailer footage, and heavily loaded comments from the director and actress not solid evidence in your mind?

As the old saying goes, "if It walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's most likely a duck".

If you believe in everything you see then you already figured out the entire franchise.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It's not unreasonable for me to ask you to back up your opinion with an explanation.

I might've been out of line when I said you owed me an apology if/when Gwen dies, and I'm apologizing for that now, but it's still fair of me to ask you to give your opinions some 'teeth' by accompanying them with explanations.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm convinced she'll die. Just from the setup and the arc they seem to have going for these first three movies, it looks like it. But, just because something looks that way doesn't mean that's how it will play out. So you, Picard, Andrew, and anyone else have reason enough to doubt. Nothing is for certain until we see it ourselves.

Thank you. I think her death is very likely, but to say its a fact that IT WILL happen is foolish. I think DigificWriter is full of himself.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

With so much information given, do you think you can squeeze Gwen's death somewhere in that story?

That is kind of a loaded question. It implies that gwen's death is distinct from other events and plot threads in the movie.

A good screenplay will effectively reframe your question as

With so much information given, can Gwen's death be built up to?

The answer is unclear, we have not seen the movie. But it is incorrect to conclude that her death is going to be some random event. We know that peter broke his promise to Captain Stacy in tasm1. We can also speculate that the tasm2 will explore this. It is possible that synergy can be achieved via having the villains attack Peter through harming Gwen and who knows how else.

With the exception of Rhino, I do believe that every scene in tasm2 is in there for a reason. So it isn't about squeezing anything in. It isn't about a bunch of disjointed or self-contained storylines involving Peter, Parents, Harry and Electro.

It's about whether they are narratively and/or thematically linked. Do these elements tell a coherent story? Do they form something greater than the sum of their parts?

Gwen dying has immense potential, if done right. As a writer, you should have more faith in your fellow penmen; the tasm2 screenwriters, and maybe not be so quick in your cynicism.