The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 1

[Picard Sisko]

^ It's not unreasonable for me to ask you to back up your opinion with an explanation.

I might've been out of line when I said you owed me an apology if/when Gwen dies, and I'm apologizing for that now, but it's still fair of me to ask you to give your opinions some 'teeth' by accompanying them with explanations.

I gave you an explanation. We simply don't know what's going to happen, and while I think Gwen will die, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I'm convinced she'll die. Just from the setup and the arc they seem to have going for these first three movies, it looks like it. But, just because something looks that way doesn't mean that's how it will play out. So you, Picard, Andrew, and anyone else have reason enough to doubt. Nothing is for certain until we see it ourselves.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That is kind of a loaded question. It implies that gwen's death is distinct from other events and plot threads in the movie.

A good screenplay will effectively reframe your question as

With so much information given, can Gwen's death be built up to?

The answer is unclear, we have not seen the movie. But it is incorrect to conclude that her death is going to be some random event. We know that peter broke his promise to Captain Stacy in tasm1. We can also speculate that the tasm2 will explore this. It is possible that synergy can be achieved via having the villains attack Peter through harming Gwen and who knows how else.

With the exception of Rhino, I do believe that every scene in tasm2 is in there for a reason. So it isn't about squeezing anything in. It isn't about a bunch of disjointed or self-contained storylines involving Peter, Parents, Harry and Electro.

It's about whether they are narratively and/or thematically linked. Do these elements tell a coherent story? Do they form something greater than the sum of their parts?

Gwen dying has immense potential, if done right. As a writer, you should have more faith in your fellow penmen; the tasm2 screenwriters, and maybe not be so quick in your cynicism.

Pointing out once again that Orci and Kurtzman tend to have scripts that move at a very fast pace. Especially the Star Trek movies. Not a single second was wasted in either film, and I think the same will happen in TASM2.

I agree with everything else you point out btw.

 

[sl500jazz]

I'm convinced she'll die. Just from the setup and the arc they seem to have going for these first three movies, it looks like it. But, just because something looks that way doesn't mean that's how it will play out. So you, Picard, Andrew, and anyone else have reason enough to doubt. Nothing is for certain until we see it ourselves.

^Thanks!

Based on everything that's been said and shown, I don't think it's unreasonable to express doubts. As you said nothing is for certain, and these forums are for speculation after all.

 

[DigificWriter]

You know what, DigificWriter? Give me a really good explanation as to why there is absolutely no chance Gwen could survive. Give me your reasoning as to why you think the cast and filmmakers' comments aren't meant to just mislead everyone. Why can't there be a fakeout?

Because they have no reason to fake us out. As I have repeatedly stated time and again, Marc and Emma have made no secret of the fact that they want to do an adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

It is ridiculous to assume that they would go to elaborate lengths and waste precious time and resources to try and keep secret something that they have never previously bothered trying to keep secret.

It is one thing for a director to obfuscate in order to try to keep a secret plot point secret; it is quite another for a director to try and act like something he/she has never bothered trying to keep secret is supposed to be a secret.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Because they have no reason to fake us out. As I have repeatedly stated time and again, Marc and Emma have made no secret of the fact that they want to do an adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

It is ridiculous to assume that they would go to elaborate lengths and waste precious time and resources to try and keep secret something that they have never previously bothered trying to keep secret.

It is one thing for a director to obfuscate in order to try to keep a secret plot point secret; it is quite another for a direcyor to try and act like something he/she has never bothered trying to keep secret is supposed to be a secret.

I find your lack of respect for other opinions to be ridiculous.

 

[Airnick]

Because they have no reason to fake us out. As I have repeatedly stated time and again, Marc and Emma have made no secret of the fact that they want to do an adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

It is ridiculous to assume that they would go to elaborate lengths and waste precious time and resources to try and keep secret something that they have never previously bothered trying to keep secret.

It is one thing for a director to obfuscate in order to try to keep a secret plot point secret; it is quite another for a director to try and act like something he/she has never bothered trying to keep secret is supposed to be a secret.

I agree with you again, It would be stupid to do a fake-out.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I will fight any and all who say Return of the King, The last Crusade, and Dream Warriors weren't good.

Friday the 13th Part 3 gave us the hockey mask, and the series didn't really start going down hill until the 5th part.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

For me this scene means that she lives after clocktower.. but there is that shots close to the bridge.. I need to prepare my heart

 

[DigificWriter]

For me this scene means that she lives after clocktower

Why? What is it about that image that has you convinced that she survives the clock tower incident(s)?

 

[sl500jazz]

Because they have no reason to fake us out. As I have repeatedly stated time and again, Marc and Emma have made no secret of the fact that they want to do an adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

It is ridiculous to assume that they would go to elaborate lengths and waste precious time and resources to try and keep secret something that they have never previously bothered trying to keep secret.

It is one thing for a director to obfuscate in order to try to keep a secret plot point secret; it is quite another for a director to try and act like something he/she has never bothered trying to keep secret is supposed to be a secret.

I'd pay extra just to see your reaction if the movie ends with Gwen alive and well.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Why? What is it about that image that has you convinced that she survives the clock tower incident(s)?

It could easily take place after the clock tower fight. Do you want everyone to write you a 5 page essay on why its a possibility?

 

[Spideyfan117]

Andrew, something interesting about that shot is that it's during either dawn or dusk. So you could argue that, because the final fights are at night, this is the next morning. However, that's problematic because of the lack of damage on Spidey's suit.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'd pay extra just to see your reaction if the movie ends with Gwen alive and well.

He would probably be too embarrassed to come back here and make a new username.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Andrew, something interesting about that shot is that it's during either dawn or dusk. So you could argue that, because the final fights are at night, this is the next morning. However, that's problematic because of the lack of damage on Spidey's suit.

There tends to be an inconsistency in the costume damage in almost every Spider-Man film.

 

[DigificWriter]

He would probably be too embarrassed to come back here and make a new username.

If I end up being wrong, I will willingly offer a lengthy apology because I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

for me, foreshadowing her death three times in tasm1 was enough for me to conclude, on the balance of probabilities, that she will die in tasm2. foreshadow three times only to stall, foreshadow more in tasm2, then finally have her die in tasm3? that's bluer than electro's balls.

also, we know peter starts off on top of the world. so what better way to knock him down a peg than to kill gwen? sure, he could get knocked down some other way, but recall foreshadowing in tasm1, recall that broken promise.

furthermore, it makes sense for a 2nd chapter in a trilogy to end on a downer (especially when it starts with happy-go-lucky peter), and to have the third chapter deal with the fallout. who would want return of the jedi to end with han being frozen, kidnapped, and luke amputated and told he's hayden christensen's son?

the sinister 6 stuff and general world-building occured after initial plans for a trilogy. so i also think it is sensible to conclude that tasm3 will be peter vs. the green goblin. we also know tasm4 is a spider-man movie, and happens after a solo 6 movie, so the setup is there for the former to be an event film.

all these reasons do not prove she dies conclusively. but, for my standard of judgement, do prove she will beyond a reasonable doubt.

there are other tid bits that support her dying, such as her clothing, certain allusions in quotes from filmmakers and the cast, emma's contract, today's headline about "death", etc.

 

[Spideyfan117]

There tends to be an inconsistency in the costume damage in almost every Spider-Man film.

Right, but remember the shredded up suit from one of the production stills? Wouldn't they use that or a similar one, after the fight? Not making any final calls. But it does seem more likely.

 

[DigificWriter]

It could easily take place after the clock tower fight. Do you want everyone to write you a 5 page essay on why its a possibility?

Yes, because empty statements are worthless. If you're going to state an opinion about something, back it up with an explanation; otherwise, you're just 'blowing smoke'.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Right, but remember the shredded up suit from one of the production stills? Wouldn't they use that or a similar one, after the fight? Not making any final calls. But it does seem more likely.

That is very true.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yes, because empty statements are worthless. If you're going to state an opinion about something, back it up with an explanation; otherwise, you're just 'blowing smoke'.

This is a forum for a comic book movie, not a political debate. I gave explanations to back up my opinions, so if you don't like them, then that's tough. I'm not just "blowing smoke."

 

[Airnick]

for me, foreshadowing her death three times in tasm1 was enough for me to conclude, on the balance of probabilities, that she will die in tasm2. foreshadow three times only to stall, foreshadow more in tasm2, then finally have her die in tasm3? that's bluer than electro's balls.

also, we know peter starts off on top of the world. so what better way to knock him down a peg than to kill gwen? sure, he could get knocked down some other way, but recall foreshadowing in tasm1, recall that broken promise.

furthermore, it makes sense for a 2nd chapter in a trilogy to end on a downer (especially when it starts with happy-go-lucky peter), and to have the third chapter deal with the fallout. who would want return of the jedi to end with han being frozen, kidnapped, and luke amputated and told he's hayden christensen's son?

the sinister 6 stuff and general world-building occured after initial plans for a trilogy. so i also think it is sensible to conclude that tasm3 will be peter vs. the green goblin. we also know tasm4 is a spider-man movie, and happens after a solo 6 movie, so the setup is there for the former to be an event film.

all these reasons do not prove she dies conclusively. but, for my standard of judgement, do prove she will beyond a reasonable doubt.

there are other tid bits that support her dying, such as her clothing, certain allusions in quotes from filmmakers and the cast, emma's contract, today's headline about "death", etc.

Exactly good post Repulsor.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Andrew, something interesting about that shot is that it's during either dawn or dusk. So you could argue that, because the final fights are at night, this is the next morning. However, that's problematic because of the lack of damage on Spidey's suit.

Well i haven't noticed that yes i'm counting that this shot is in the morning after Clock fight but who knows?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

It could easily take place after the clock tower fight.

Yep.

 

[Airnick]

Well i haven't noticed that yep i'm counting that this shot is in the morning after Clock fight but who knows?

You think the clock tower fight is gonna last all night?.