The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

[sl500jazz]

@ Andrew: I mean that it's weird that Stan did that with MJ, building up her introduction so much. IMO, it would've made more sense for him to do something like that for Gwen given his intentions for the relationship.

Anyway, If you think about it, "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" is essentially a love story between Peter and Gwen. At its core, it's a story that forever cemented their tragic Romeo and Juliet type love in the Spidey mythos, and made Gwen the iconic figure that she is. If Conway just wanted to shove the character aside, there were other ways that he could have gone about it.

Hardly anyone compares MJ or Gwen to Betty Brant.

edit: I'm not getting into the soulmate stuff since that's really just a matter of personal opinion. IMO, you can fall in love with different people at different points in your life and love them fully for different reasons. However, Gwen Stacy will always be "the one that got away".

 

[Andrew Lucas]

@ Andrew: I mean that it's weird that Stan did that with MJ, building up her introduction so much. IMO, it would've made more sense for him to do something like that for Gwen given his intentions for the relationship.

Anyway, If you think about it, "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" is essentially a love story between Peter and Gwen. At its core, it's a story that forever cemented their tragic Romeo and Juliet type love in the Spidey mythos, and made Gwen the iconic figure that she is. If Conway just wanted to shove the character aside, there were other ways that he could have gone about it.

Hardly anyone compares MJ or Gwen to Betty Brant.

You have some very strong points there

I have nightmares of what Conway could have done with Gwen if she lived or the bridge act never happened : /

Honestly i never found Betty charismatic as Gwen or MJ,so i never really cared much about her and its not because it never happened anything major with her, i prefer MJ to be with Peter at this point(comics),she is already cemented as Peter wife and not that i mind some reboot or anything else that brings Gwen back.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

edit: I'm not getting into the soulmate stuff since that's really just a matter of personal opinion. IMO, you can fall in love with different people at different points in your life and love them fully for different reasons. However, Gwen Stacy will always be "the one that got away".

Haha fair enough

 

[sl500jazz]

You have some very strong points there

I have nightmares of what Conway could have done with Gwen if she lived or the bridge act never happened : /

Honestly i never found Betty charismatic as Gwen or MJ,so i never really cared much about her and its not because it never happened anything major with her, i prefer MJ to be with Peter at this point(comics),she is already cemented as Peter wife and not that i mind some reboot or anything else that brings Gwen back.

Lol yup fair enough t:

Despite his ultimate goals, I think Conway was really respectful to Gwen Stacy and her legacy. He handled her exit with care.

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And I love that he made Gwen the driving force behind Peter and MJ and their development. She deeply affected both of them and her presence is still felt to this day.

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[LizardMan07]

What depresses me is that Gwen and Peter were the best parts of the last 2 films. Going to be hard for TASM3 to make me content with her death unfortunately

 

[Morbius]

What depressed me the most about TASM2 was that

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when 'it' happens, WE know she's dead, and Spidey jumps down to cut her loose not knowing.

So tragic.

 

[Herolee10]

What depresses me is that Gwen and Peter were the best parts of the last 2 films. Going to be hard for TASM3 to make me content with her death unfortunately

Agreed. I think it's safe to say that it was Andrew's and Emma's performances in their respective roles, along with the chemistry that they had with each other that really brought these two films on a good note, especially due to how the villains weren't exactly the most memorable ones to date.

Going into TASM 3 is going to be difficult unless they can compensate by providing us some great villains in terms of visuals and characterizations, mixed with a hopefully great actress to portray a well written MJ.

 

[Spidey's Curse]

Just saw this and.....

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Why couldn't they just have her thrown from the bridge??? Gwen's death is sooo iconic in spidey lore, and they just seemed to change it for change's sake.

..but, it was still a great scene, especially Garfield after. and dane dehaan was excellent as the goblin, his laugh was so creepy.

 

[Bullseye1]

Just saw this and.....

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Why couldn't they just have her thrown from the bridge??? Gwen's death is sooo iconic in spidey lore, and they just seemed to change it for change's sake.

..but, it was still a great scene, especially Garfield after. and dane dehaan was excellent as the goblin, his laugh was so creepy.

I think the fact that Raimi already used that scene with MJ made it difficult. The scene was fine IMO.

 

[Super Jim]

The thread title is horrible. I'm glad I avoided the ASM2 forum for 2 full years otherwise that thread title would have ruined it for me.

I created this thread waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back almost a year ago when I surmised that Gwen was going to get killed off towards the end of TASM2. Back then I had a lot of people who didn't agree with me (Probably 80% - 90% wasn't willing to see what I saw) and over the year I was able to use the limited "evidence" to prove my belief, which has now been ultimately proven to be correct.

The title was, of course, based on the comic book where Gwen was killed, but again, this wasn't a spoiler, no matter how it seems now, since this was so many months before we knew.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

What depressed me the most about TASM2 was that

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when 'it' happens, WE know she's dead, and Spidey jumps down to cut her loose not knowing.

So tragic.

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Does Peter/Spidey say anything like "phew. I saved you. I got you Gwen, I saved you." As he's jumping down to get her after webbing her and thinking that he's actually saved her?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

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Does Peter/Spidey say anything like "phew. I saved you. I got you Gwen, I saved you." As he's jumping down to get her after webbing her and thinking that he's actually saved her?

Quotes:

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"Hey....hey... Gwen... Its fine"

"Stay with me,stay with me,stay with me,stay with me"

"Gwen?Gwen!?...don't leave please"

"I can't do this without you"

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Quotes:

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"Hey....hey... Gwen... Its fine"

"Stay with me,stay with me,stay with me,stay with me"

"Gwen?Gwen!?...don't leave please"

"I can't do this without you"

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Are those direct ones from the movie?

 

[ironman_rick]

MY GF really cried during this scene............

My advice.....have some tissues on hand at about the 1hr 50min mark

 

[JOE]

Just saw this and.....

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Why couldn't they just have her thrown from the bridge??? Gwen's death is sooo iconic in spidey lore, and they just seemed to change it for change's sake.

It's the whole "time theme" that Webb was going after.

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There's a video where he talks about her death in a clock tower, and how the movie starts with a clock. Even a superhero can't change events or stop/turn back time. Unless you're ConvenientMan... I mean, Superman.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

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Are those direct ones from the movie?

Yep.


But i think there is a little more.

 

[DigificWriter]

I created this thread waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back almost a year ago when I surmised that Gwen was going to get killed off towards the end of TASM2. Back then I had a lot of people who didn't agree with me (Probably 80% - 90% wasn't willing to see what I saw) and over the year I was able to use the limited "evidence" to prove my belief, which has now been ultimately proven to be correct.

The title was, of course, based on the comic book where Gwen was killed, but again, this wasn't a spoiler, no matter how it seems now, since this was so many months before we knew.

Even if you'd posted this thread - with the exact same title - recently, it still wouldn't be a spoiler because, as I repeatedly pointed out numerous times in past months, Webb and Co. made no effort to hide the fact that Gwen was going to die, especially once they started directly promoting the movie. They didn't directly confirm that her death was imminent, but they weren't being secretive about things, either.

 

[Takato]

Just saw this and.....

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Why couldn't they just have her thrown from the bridge??? Gwen's death is sooo iconic in spidey lore, and they just seemed to change it for change's sake.

..but, it was still a great scene, especially Garfield after. and dane dehaan was excellent as the goblin, his laugh was so creepy.

I thought it worked much better [BLACKOUT]in the isolated clock tower with it being really intimate and there was no one else there, unlike a heavy populated bridge.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Streetlight]

For people that want to know, below are exact lines Peter says when he gets down to her

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"Hey? Gwen? Hey. Breathe. Hey, hey?

You're okay.
Stay with me, stay with me, stay with me. Stay with me, you stay with me.

Gwen? Gwen! No, please, please. Please."

Obviously there's sobs inbetween certain parts and I've almost certainly punctuated it wrong, but those are the words sourced from the youtube video before it got removed

Garfield's reaction was perfect. I was scared it might have been over acted but it felt incredibly real.

 

[Avalanche]

For people that want to know, below are exact lines Peter says when he gets down to her

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"Hey? Gwen? Hey. Breathe. Hey, hey?

You're okay.
Stay with me, stay with me, stay with me. Stay with me, you stay with me.

Gwen? Gwen! No, please, please. Please."

Obviously there's sobs inbetween certain parts and I've almost certainly punctuated it wrong, but those are the words sourced from the youtube video before it got removed

Garfield's reaction was perfect. I was scared it might have been over acted but it felt incredibly real.

His reaction is what makes that whole scene really. It felt so real. Definitely heart wrenching.

 

[Herolee10]

Man, when I first saw this shot, followed by the moments that followed it.... I was like...

 

[Sterling Archer]

I just realised something.

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Peter's reluctance in giving Harry his blood makes perfect sense as it was Peter's recklessness that created the Lizard and got Gwen's father killed. So he is reluctant to let it happen again. It's that reluctance that turns Harry into the Goblin and ultimately causes the death of Gwen. So his actions to try and prevent the events of the first movie from happening again actually caused them to happen again. It's a fascinating 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation that has a lot of tragic irony to it as well.

I think I like this movie even more now.

 

[Leenie]

So ... I just watched the scene.

Overall, I think it was well-done, but the entire fight scene felt really rushed (which is a problem if this is Goblin's only fight in the film; and it's a little bit of a shame, because the clock tower looks so cool and I wish the movie had spent a couple more minutes in that cool setting). [BLACKOUT]I just have a feeling that they added Goblin into the movie just to kill Gwen off.[/BLACKOUT] That's completely fine, but there's a little left to be desired with that villain. [BLACKOUT]Also, I wasn't a big fan off all the "teases" before she dies: Oh no! Harry dropped her ... But Spidey caught her! Oh no! She fell off a gear, but Spidey's web caught her! Those teases happened way too close to each other; another reason why I felt the overall scene was very rushed.[/BLACKOUT] Also, the score during the whole scene is a bit too loud and distracting to add to the mood of the setting and the circumstances; I can see why some have complained about the film's score now.

The

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actual hit that kills Gwen

is more brutal than I expected it to be. And while I haven't been a fan of Andrew Garfield's portrayal of Spider-Man (I blame the writing and directing much more than the actor, by the way), his acting here is gut-wrenching and perfect. Since the movie is reenacting one of the most iconic and tragic moments in comic book history, I can't help but feel sad when watching it. Overall, it's a well-done scene.

 

[Double B]

Stunning scene.

I felt tense throughout the entire clock tower scene and I thought the climax, particularly that brutal hit, was stunning.

 

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