The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[Franklin Richards]

John the Baptist wasn't as powerful as Jesus.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I think that Galactus could create a herald more powerful than Thor if he wanted to. He probably sees no benefit in investing that much of his precious energy in someone who essentially tells the inhabitants of a planet to get off it if they can.

 

[Mr. Green]

I think SS is more powerful than Thor if only by a little. Right? I guess they are both super strong, durable, can travel through space/dimensions at faster than light, etc.

I don't know for sure but it the power cosmic is pretty heavy duty stuff.

 

[lowly marvelite]

I think SS is more powerful than Thor if only by a little. Right? I guess they are both super strong, durable, can travel through space/dimensions at faster than light, etc.

I don't know for sure but it the power cosmic is pretty heavy duty stuff.

What about the Odin Force? Even though, Thor was far stronger than Odin for years, the Odin Force is what made Odin supreme over Thor...now that Thor has it, whose to say he's not Marvel's top dog now (the Odin Force can be used to augment Thor's already formidable strength...)? And the belt of strength, which he rarely uses, doubles his strength.

 

[Jay#1]

Wolverine

 

[Fenwick]

Mr. Immortal, cannot get much stronger then eternal life.

 

[Paradox1]

What about the Odin Force? Even though, Thor was far stronger than Odin for years, the Odin Force is what made Odin supreme over Thor...now that Thor has it, whose to say he's not Marvel's top dog now (the Odin Force can be used to augment Thor's already formidable strength...)? And the belt of strength, which he rarely uses, doubles his strength.

I'm a huge Thor fan but even I must bow to the power cosmic. Thor may have godhood buts his godhood is only in name compared to the Surfer. The not only can he take life but he can give it and not just one person but to a whole planet(growing vegatation). I don't know if thats what Stan and Jack ended but Surfer powers have spun into something near Godhood. He can make a sun go supernova or he can give a dying sun life. His power is beyond anything on Earth in the Marvel Universe. Galactus only gave the Surfer a fraction of his power but he also learned never to give any other Herald that same power.If the Surfer wanted to he could turn almost any foe he went up against into gas or a liquid or into stone. That kind of thing may be known as alchemy (really transmuting matter)on Earth but it happens in the heart of sun.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor has similar feats, although his tend to be more destructive than creative. He did put the moon back together once, though.

Then shouldn't Galactus' creations and heralds be more superior if he is the stronger?

Not necessarily. Galactus doesn't pour all of his own power into every herald. In fact, he never does. The closest he came was Tyrant, whom he created as more of a companion than a herlad, and even Tyrant was significantly less powerful than Galactus himself. Based on what we've seen in the comics, Thor and the Silver Surfer are similar in power level, regardless of their creators' power levels.

 

[Mutagen]

It would seem to me that Valhalla is a ream based on Earth's dimensional plane, and the universe is everything in it. So while maybe he's the strongest on Earth, he wouldn't be as powerful in the universal scheme.

What I mean is Thor has this "god" power, but that shouldn't mean it effects space and time on a universal scale, while the SS does. On Earth; Thor and SS are evenly matched, but in another galaxy I believe SS has the edge.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's power can affect things on a universal scale. He's one of the only beings in existence who managed to damage a Celestial. I'm not saying Thor is superior to the Surfer, I'm just saying people who want to somehow limit Thor and say he can't hang with the cosmic types are flat-out wrong because he has before. You're underestimating him.

 

[Mutagen]

I suppose luck favors the prepared, and Thor doesn't have a 90's cartoon that I can reference, so while I am underestimating him, it's only because he was the less popular in my youth as Hulk or SS.

But put it this way, Thor doesn't have reality bending powers, they are based on rules, rules set by Odin, and because of that he will never be as power as the reality warping SS.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor has powers based on magic, which are, by definition, reality-bending powers. He and War Hulk are the only beings in the universe to trump Cyttorak's power and stop the Juggernaut. War Hulk did it with high-level cosmic tech from the Celestials, Thor did it by pouring his own godly essence through Mjolnir into a god blast. Not only that, but Thor actually pushed Jugs' backwards, pretty much breaking Cyttorak's spell for the Juggernaut to be unstoppable in half.

I just don't see where this idea that the Surfer is somehow more powerful because he's "cosmic!" comes from. Thor can do virtually everything the Surfer can except play with time, and he used to be able to do even that before he willingly surrendered that ability to Immortus in an effort to save a planet that was trapped halfway in Limbo.

Power Cosmic, divine power, Odin Force--they're all just names. The things that Thor and the Surfer have done using their respective powers are what matter, and that puts them on a pretty even footing.

 

[Mutagen]

Time is the most valuable and strategically better power to have IMO.

 

[Mutagen]

It also depends on the more creative or smart being with the powers as well, and Thor might have millenniums' worth of experience, so you might be onto something there... For now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd say the Surfer's more creative in general, but Thor's more creative in a fight. Fighting is what Thor does, after all. The Surfer would like nothing more than to be a pacifist.

 

[Paradox1]

Thor has powers based on magic, which are, by definition, reality-bending powers. He and War Hulk are the only beings in the universe to trump Cyttorak's power and stop the Juggernaut. War Hulk did it with high-level cosmic tech from the Celestials, Thor did it by pouring his own godly essence through Mjolnir into a god blast. Not only that, but Thor actually pushed Jugs' backwards, pretty much breaking Cyttorak's spell for the Juggernaut to be unstoppable in half.

I just don't see where this idea that the Surfer is somehow more powerful because he's "cosmic!" comes from. Thor can do virtually everything the Surfer can except play with time, and he used to be able to do even that before he willingly surrendered that ability to Immortus in an effort to save a planet that was trapped halfway in Limbo.

Power Cosmic, divine power, Odin Force--they're all just names. The things that Thor and the Surfer have done using their respective powers are what matter, and that puts them on a pretty even footing.

I don't see how they can be on even keel the power cosmic creates and destroy with equal effectivness. While Thor I've only seen him use his power for destruction.Maybe with the Odinforce added to arsenal well see more feats of such power.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's a warrior. His job is to destroy things and defend people, which also usually calls for destroying their enemies. In practice, the Surfer does tend to create more because that's part of his nature while it's not part of Thor's, but on paper, their abilities match up pretty evenly. Thor can transmute matter and manipulate energy with Mjolnir to a similar extent as the Surfer with the Power Cosmic. The Surfer may edge him out a bit in skill and finesse with that, but not in any significant way as far as matching them up for a fight is concerned.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thor's a warrior. His job is to destroy things and defend people, which also usually calls for destroying their enemies. In practice, the Surfer does tend to create more because that's part of his nature while it's not part of Thor's, but on paper, their abilities match up pretty evenly. Thor can transmute matter and manipulate energy with Mjolnir to a similar extent as the Surfer with the Power Cosmic. The Surfer may edge him out a bit in skill and finesse with that, but not in any significant way as far as matching them up for a fight is concerned.

I think this could be the essential difference between them though, Mjolnir can be taken away from Thor (with great difficulty of course but it still can), were as The Power Cosmic cant be taken away from The Surfer, not with force anyway.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but cant any pure heart pick up Mjolnir? Meaning that the Surfer possibly could?

Also is it a definite that Thor's strength is higher than the Surfer's?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Surfer was stronger than Classic Thor With the Thorpower who knows? And of course the Surfer has also been upgraded and is no longer the pacifist he used to be. Age may not be a factor either because the people of Zenn-La live for thousands of years so the Surfer may well be older than Thor. The Surfer had the thought records of knnwledge and experiance to go through before he became Galactus' herald. There is no telling what knowledge or experiences he accumulated.

 

[Silverstein]

I think that Galactus could create a herald more powerful than Thor if he wanted to. He probably sees no benefit in investing that much of his precious energy in someone who essentially tells the inhabitants of a planet to get off it if they can.

So wouldn't that make Galactus the most powerful?

Thread Topic:

I think it's

1. Death
2. Galactus
3. Thanos
4. Silver Surfer
5. franklin richards
6. scarlet witch

 

[Mutagen]

The thread say "Strongest," not most powerful, but I don't mind seeing your opinions who's the most powerful.

 

[Paradox1]

You wouldn't put the wind in a disucussion of the most powerful or rain. Galactus is a force of nature he can't be in the discussion as the most powerful or strongest. In a fight between THor and Surfer Thor wins cause he's a warrior. Its like amature getting in the ring with a champion boxer. even at equal strength or just slighty below the champs gonna demolish the amarture.

Strongest
1. Silver Surfer he increase his strength to infinite levels and his power comes from space which surrounds us
2. Thor in the past Thor was a even match to the Hulks strength. Now he increased that level
3 Hulk

on another note the guys who write the comics and so on usually end with Hulk winning but in the real world a fighter like Hulk would loose alot more than he wins. There is two kinds of angry fighters one of which being uncontrollable anger or focused anger. Hulk is uncontrollable, that kind of anger makes you sloppy cause when you swing you tend to overswing leaving you wide open for counters.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Superman.

 

[Vanguard07]

I think this could be the essential difference between them though, Mjolnir can be taken away from Thor (with great difficulty of course but it still can), were as The Power Cosmic cant be taken away from The Surfer, not with force anyway.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but cant any pure heart pick up Mjolnir? Meaning that the Surfer possibly could?

Also is it a definite that Thor's strength is higher than the Surfer's?

The basic enchantments placed on Mjolnir by Odin:

-Only those deemed worthy may lift Mjolnir (Note: "worthy" in this case has never been clearly defined. We don't know what Odin had in mind for this)

-Those who wield Mjolnir also control storms and wield the other powers of Thor (from what's been shown whether they're the fully equal powers is debatable.)

-Mjolnir will always return to Thor's hand

-Mjolnir cannot be wrested from Thor's grip.

In order to break the rules defined by these enchantments you have to either be more powerful than the OdinForce (which I very much doubt SS is) or be in a comic written by someone who doesn't know anything about Thor or Mjolnir. (I'm looking at you Loeb)

Also with the exception of a few specific times. Even if you COULD take Mjolnir away from Thor (again, specifically breaking one of the enchantments) that doesnt take his powers away. He's still Thor. They're still the powers of Thor. He'd just have less control and skill with said powers and when he hit you it'd be with his fists not his hammer.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You wouldn't put the wind in a disucussion of the most powerful or rain. Galactus is a force of nature he can't be in the discussion as the most powerful or strongest. In a fight between THor and Surfer Thor wins cause he's a warrior. Its like amature getting in the ring with a champion boxer. even at equal strength or just slighty below the champs gonna demolish the amarture.

Strongest
1. Silver Surfer he increase his strength to infinite levels and his power comes from space which surrounds us
2. Thor in the past Thor was a even match to the Hulks strength. Now he increased that level
3 Hulk

on another note the guys who write the comics and so on usually end with Hulk winning but in the real world a fighter like Hulk would loose alot more than he wins. There is two kinds of angry fighters one of which being uncontrollable anger or focused anger. Hulk is uncontrollable, that kind of anger makes you sloppy cause when you swing you tend to overswing leaving you wide open for counters.

Hulk is experienced himself though considering the amount of fights he has, and while what you say about anger is true on a human level, when it is your main power, it is going to work for you, as you say Hulk is uncontrollable, meaning it is very difficult to beat him, and Thor rarely does.

The basic enchantments placed on Mjolnir by Odin:

-Only those deemed worthy may lift Mjolnir (Note: "worthy" in this case has never been clearly defined. We don't know what Odin had in mind for this)

-Those who wield Mjolnir also control storms and wield the other powers of Thor (from what's been shown whether they're the fully equal powers is debatable.)

-Mjolnir will always return to Thor's hand

-Mjolnir cannot be wrested from Thor's grip.

In order to break the rules defined by these enchantments you have to either be more powerful than the OdinForce (which I very much doubt SS is) or be in a comic written by someone who doesn't know anything about Thor or Mjolnir. (I'm looking at you Loeb)

Also with the exception of a few specific times. Even if you COULD take Mjolnir away from Thor (again, specifically breaking one of the enchantments) that doesnt take his powers away. He's still Thor. They're still the powers of Thor. He'd just have less control and skill with said powers and when he hit you it'd be with his fists not his hammer.

Hulk has gotten Mjolnir away from Thor before in the past, so I think the Surfer could. Look at Planet Hulk, the SS was weakened, yet he took Hulk and his Warbound out in seconds, and Hulk had to team-up with one of them to get an opening on the Surfer. Even then when he did, and he pouneded on Surfer with all his might, SS was up within seconds and able to destroy the obedience discs of everyone on the Planet in a second. Sorry, but considering Thor always struggles against Hulk, this just shows that the Surfer is out of Thor's league to me.