The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[PhotoJones]

I wonder how much different things would be if Stan Lee was like a Kirby or a Ditko and actually spoke his mind. I'd like to know what he really thinks of what's been done to some of his characters.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he may genuinely believe a lot of what he says. He came up through the ranks in the comic industry, so he knows very well how fluid and collaborative the nature of the work is. While he may have created the characters, I doubt he really, honestly feels like he has much basis to say what later writers can or can't do or whether they're betraying his intent with them. The medium moved on without him and he was content to let it go, by all appearances.

That said, I'm sure he has at least one or two little things he'd probably make a good rant about.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think he may genuinely believe a lot of what he says. He came up through the ranks in the comic industry, so he knows very well how fluid and collaborative the nature of the work is. While he may have created the characters, I doubt he really, honestly feels like he has much basis to say what later writers can or can't do or whether they're betraying his intent with them. The medium moved on without him and he was content to let it go, by all appearances.

That said, I'm sure he has at least one or two little things he'd probably make a good rant about.

Stan Lee strikes me as possessing more than the average amount of loose screws. Then again no one compares to this bat **** nutty celeb....

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I wonder how much different things would be if Stan Lee was like a Kirby or a Ditko and actually spoke his mind. I'd like to know what he really thinks of what's been done to some of his characters.

I once heard he is very open minded,like with all the horrible things done to Spider-Man and Stan will just say that things will get better.

The last time Stan Lee's "notes" were found, we got the Sentry

I doubt anyone would buy Marvel's attempts to make the Sentry the strongest in the Marvel Universe.I would rather listen to debates about other characters,at least they are not frauds.

I own both Sentry tpb's.I think the character was a "What If?" that wasn't ment to be long term,and was forced into the continuity by Joe Q and Bendis.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

And how many feet away from the Hulk was the Juggernaut?

I see the Hulk hit just as far if not farther away during the scans I posted.

Hulk was able to comeback in the next page. Juggernaut was far enough away that Hulk could have an extended conversation with Charles before Juggernaut got back. I, once again, don't count it as a win.

 

[Varient]

let rogue touch him then beat his azz.

Sorry,.. but if she can absorb billions of beings at once,... the Hulk isn't an issue.

he MIGHT survive the touch,... but not the butt whooping that would follow.

 

[Spade]

Wasn't the Scorpion sting supposed to use his own power to kill him? At this point, I'd throw aside what makes sense for what will undoubtedly occur if someone was to face WWH Hulk right now.

 

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Sorry,.. but if she can absorb billions of beings at once,... the Hulk isn't an issue.

he MIGHT survive the touch,... but not the butt whooping that would follow.

That would be good to see..

 

[ang_hulk]

If battlefield removal by Hulk is a win for Hulk. Then battlefield removal against Hulk is a win against Hulk.

Simple.

Also irrelevant. WWH - X-men #3 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hulk is not the strongest one there is. Classic Juggs is at least as strong as this super Hulk. But hey you ignored that post didn't you?

or i can pull the "he admitted it was a stand still and didnt waste his time" card but i wont,ill leave that to the thanos fans.anyways,he stopped juggs,thats what was going on thier,both had thier feet planted because they were pushing on each other and juggs couldent get through.

 

[A.X.L]

It's a known fact that Kiss are the strongest

You cant argue with science

 

[rodhulk]

Not talking to you Ahura

talking to: Dacman, DevilHulk, Phenomenal, Ang, and to a lesser extent RodHulk

REALLY? Tell me where I go overboard?

(this'll be good for a laugh)

 

[rodhulk]

Man come on, there's no arguing that if WWH could have just floored Juggs he would have. He couldn't. In a test of strength he couldn't even budge him.

Seems to me Hulk took the only out he could (and how lucky is he that Xavier distracted Juggs?)

Remember, classic Juggs doesn't need to eat or breath. He doesn't age or tire. Those two were in a stalemate and time was on Juggs' side.

CLASSIC Juggs matched WORLD WAR Hulk pound for pound in the muscle department. Its right there for everybody to see.

To start with a correction on you....

You said Juggs matched Hulk in the strength dept and you seem tp be implying that if the Hulk and Juggs kept at it, Hulk would tire and Juggs would win. But as Strange said earlier in the series, Hulk could still get madder and stronger therefore Hulk would still eventually outpower Juggs in the muscle dept. if the fight had continued.

Now, call me a Hulk fanboy! t:

 

[rodhulk]

If battlefield removal by Hulk is a win for Hulk. Then battlefield removal against Hulk is a win against Hulk.

Simple.

Also irrelevant. WWH - X-men #3 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hulk is not the strongest one there is. Classic Juggs is at least as strong as this super Hulk. But hey you ignored that post didn't you?

And you ignored what the Hulk is capable of as my post above shows!

And let me add that in another post of yours, you said that Juggs said in WWH that they had this dance before and he (Juggs) won. That's actually not true because we would have to accept it that this would mean all matches and War Hulk has beaten Juggs, Hulk has KO'd Juggs via a backlash (which just before he hurt Juggs and sent him down to the ground), and even in your own words (I can find a post) you said that matches (at least some) between the two have ended via 'battlefield removal' or 'one of them walking off.' That 'one of them' could be Juggs. So, Juggs hasn't won all of the matches. Try answering that?


Go ahead, call me a Hulk fanboy! t:

 

[rodhulk]

Well I apologize Phenom. I guess I accidently lumped you in there although you are doing a necessary task by fighting off the other extreme (Hulk Haters)

As for who doesn't give classic Juggs credit. Man, just re read the fist 50 pages when I was really pushing him before I gave up trying to enlighten those who did not want to be enlightened. Or if you don't want to go back that far, read anything, and I mean ANYTHING, Dac had to say about the Juggs Hulk fight in WWH X-men #3

In any case I am not cutting him short.

Saying that any of the cosmics or elder gods would slap him around like a little girl is not selling him short. Saying that the Juggs is in every way a perfect physical match for him is not selling him short.

The amazing thing is that the 'hulk fans' get all up in arms when someone says something like Odin would pwn the Hulk

Come to think of it. Odin would kill World War Hulk without breaking a sweat.

Funny how you make fun of 'Hulk fans' here when you defend Juggs in this same way. You know that saying, you are what you eat, well, with you, it's 'you are what you speak.' t:

 

[Fading]

And let me add that in another post of yours, you said that Juggs said in WWH that they had this dance before and he (Juggs) won. That's actually not true

Um...Hulk in the comic didn't dispute it, or try to. Juggs said they had done that dance before and Juggs won, and Hulk said no one listens that what happened before is dead. Pretty much he confirmed it, then said that the past fights don't matter however the current one does, so in essense it's true, not false. Also Juggs (even if it was Juggs in civilian disguise) did cleanly KO Hulk once, which is what they could have been refering too.

 

[†~AntiChrist~†]

It's a known fact that Kiss are the strongest

You cant argue with science

Hell yeah!!

 

[bkhedr]

or i can pull the "he admitted it was a stand still and didnt waste his time" card but i wont,ill leave that to the thanos fans.anyways,he stopped juggs,thats what was going on thier,both had thier feet planted because they were pushing on each other and juggs couldent get through.

...and neither could Hulk

hence proving that he's just as strong as the Hulk

 

[bkhedr]

To start with a correction on you....

You said Juggs matched Hulk in the strength dept and you seem tp be implying that if the Hulk and Juggs kept at it, Hulk would tire and Juggs would win. But as Strange said earlier in the series, Hulk could still get madder and stronger therefore Hulk would still eventually outpower Juggs in the muscle dept. if the fight had continued.

Now, call me a Hulk fanboy! t:

But isn't this already the Hulk that's so much stronger than he's ever been?

Well if he can't overpower classic Juggs. Well, I call that a poor showing for the Hulk.

In any case the Hulk readily admited that Juggs has beaten him before and then talked about how he's stronger than ever

Know what happened next?

Juggs stalemated him.

Deny it if you can.

 

[bkhedr]

And you ignored what the Hulk is capable of as my post above shows!

And let me add that in another post of yours, you said that Juggs said in WWH that they had this dance before and he (Juggs) won. That's actually not true because we would have to accept it that this would mean all matches and War Hulk has beaten Juggs, Hulk has KO'd Juggs via a backlash (which just before he hurt Juggs and sent him down to the ground), and even in your own words (I can find a post) you said that matches (at least some) between the two have ended via 'battlefield removal' or 'one of them walking off.' That 'one of them' could be Juggs. So, Juggs hasn't won all of the matches. Try answering that?


Go ahead, call me a Hulk fanboy! t:

Man I'm not saying Hulk has never beaten Juggs.

I'm saying that short of battle removal or outside intereference, he can't beat him straight up.

I'm also saying that Hulk admited that Juggs has beaten him before just to counted that impression that I am getting from some people (read: Dac) that Hulk owns Juggs or some other absurdity.

As for it not being true. Which part?

The part that Juggs said it and Hulk aknowledged it? Well that's true.

The fact thart Juggs has beaten Hulk before? Well that's true.

As for War Hulk, prove to me you are not a fan boy. All you have to do is admit that it was the celestial tech that stopped Juggs and not the Hulk. Heck apocalypse himself said so on panel. Admit it and I will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not a fanboy. I mean really. Why don't I just say hey King Thor killed the Hulk without his hammer. YEAH THOR OWNS HULK! That would piss you off wouldn't it? You'd argue extenuating circumstances and a character who's over charged right? Same thing with War Hulk. Heck at least King Thor had the power within him as opposed to some alien god gear that fused to him temporarily.

 

[bkhedr]

Funny how you make fun of 'Hulk fans' here when you defend Juggs in this same way. You know that saying, you are what you eat, well, with you, it's 'you are what you speak.' t:

Man I don't even know what this means. Your reply, and I mean this seriously and without any maliciousness, makes no sense at all.

How am I defending Juggs in a way that's similiar to some one posting incomplete scans? Or taking an instance where the character was juiced by outside forces (War Hulk) as an example like it proves a point about the character's abilities? Or even refusing to accept that the character can be beaten?

I don't post incomplete scans of Juggs fights.

I don't claim that anything Trion Juggs does is something that Classic Juggs should be given credit for.

I don't claim that Juggs is unbeatable. Super cosmics would make short work of him. So would any psionic, and very very high end magic users. The Hulk could potentialy over power Juggs but he can't hurt him because he's invulnerable.

So again what's wrong with what I'm doing?

 

[bkhedr]

Funny how you make fun of 'Hulk fans' here when you defend Juggs in this same way. You know that saying, you are what you eat, well, with you, it's 'you are what you speak.' t:

Quick question for you Rod

call it the fanboy test. Now that you have read WWH X-men #3 and you saw how classic Juggs matched up with WW Hulk.

Yes or No

Can Classic Juggs match up with and stalemate Classic Hulk?

Yes or No?

 

[Mr Jide]

Juggsy is a p****'ole.

 

[bkhedr]

Juggsy is a p****'ole.

Great contribution to the debate

Are the rest of your 4000 plus posts this insightful?

 

[DACMAN]

or i can pull the "he admitted it was a stand still and didnt waste his time" card but i wont,ill leave that to the thanos fans.anyways,he stopped juggs,thats what was going on thier,both had thier feet planted because they were pushing on each other and juggs couldent get through.

Huh. I never thought of that. That's a good point. HE STOPPED THE JUGG HEAD!!!!!

 

[DACMAN]

But isn't this already the Hulk that's so much stronger than he's ever been?

Well if he can't overpower classic Juggs. Well, I call that a poor showing for the Hulk.

In any case the Hulk readily admited that Juggs has beaten him before and then talked about how he's stronger than ever

Know what happened next?

Juggs stalemated him.

The way I see it (now), the HULK stopped him. Which is awesome.