The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[CBG]

But he never beats Hulk, its ok saying what Thor can do, but the fact remains he has never done it. The Hulk comes out on top in their bouts practically every time.

Exactly, and Green Hulk has now beaten Red Hulk I believe, so it again proves to me that Thor cant handle The Hulk, or the likes of The Sentry and Silver Surfer for that matter.

You neglect to mention the beatdown Thor laid on Rulk prior to Rulk's defeat at the hands of Hulk.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You neglect to mention the beatdown Thor laid on Rulk prior to Rulk's defeat at the hands of Hulk.

To be honest I didnt see it, my bad. My point still stands though, no matter how powerful people say Thor is, the fact remains he hardly ever defeats The Hulk.

 

[CBG]

To be honest I didnt see it, my bad. My point still stands though, no matter how powerful people say Thor is, the fact remains he hardly ever defeats The Hulk.

How could you miss it? It was in the same issue.

 

[Paradox1]

To be honest I didnt see it, my bad. My point still stands though, no matter how powerful people say Thor is, the fact remains he hardly ever defeats The Hulk.

Fact its a writer take on the battle not a real battle. Speaking of writers the greatest writer of all the Marvel writers Stan Lee believed no one could beat Thor not even the Hulk cause Thor's a God and Hulks a mere mortal.

 

[starscream]

i owuld say the fenix you know the thing jean grey has in her.

but raw power i think the hulk.

 

[Fading]

...its ok saying what Thor can do, but the fact remains he has never done it.

Thor's the poster boy of a good character who typically turns to crap in the hands of anyone but his current writer. The guy is meant to be Superman level, maybe even stronger. With his speed, strength, lightning/God blast, flight, and other abilities, he should be able to run rings around most opponents while hitting hard. Problem is that doesn't make for an exciting fight in many writers eyes for some reason, so they pull out that warrior's code deal where he fights on his opponents level. Which means instead of using all his powers he decides to slug it out, and continue to do so even against foes with more physical strength.

With his new comic, and the way he handled Iron Man, I would have thought Thor was finally being written right. However I read the ridiculous way he lost to Rulk and realize he's still written like **** in other books.

 

[Fading]

Just to clarify btw, I say it's ridiculous (the way he lost) because every writer puts some new 'clever' loophold on Mjolnir. That it's ok to grab after he threw it, or in space it's weightless so it doesn't matter. All the while they overlook that Mjolnir is not just some heavy hammer you can hold with enough strength, it's a magical item that's not meant to be moved by someone unworthy. It's magic, not brute force. Meaning, from my understanding, Red Hulk shouldn't be able to pick it up whether it weighed a ton or 1 pound since strength isn't a factor. That is unless Red Hulk helps old ladies across the street and is a boy scout on his off hours from destroying good guys.

 

[DACMAN]

Fact its a writer take on the battle not a real battle. Speaking of writers the greatest writer of all the Marvel writers Stan Lee believed no one could beat Thor not even the Hulk cause Thor's a God and Hulks a mere mortal.

Yeah, that's not what Stan said at all. He said he wanted to give the HULK a challange and figured how do I give a guy a this guy a hard time when he is "the strongest one there is?" So he said he'd make the strongest mortal fight the strongest god. Simple. He has never said " THOR WOULD BEAT THE HULK!" In fact he was just quoted as saying that NO ONE can beat the HULK as the way he wrote him he always gets stronger and never gets tired the way he wrote him.

Again, the fact remains, almost every fight HULK walks away the winner.

 

[DACMAN]

And since we're using cartoons now...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O617ZHcazwA

 

[Mutagen]

I say Hulk is strongest there is.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

How could you miss it? It was in the same issue.

Didnt read the issue, read about it in the Rulk thread.

Thor's the poster boy of a good character who typically turns to crap in the hands of anyone but his current writer. The guy is meant to be Superman level, maybe even stronger. With his speed, strength, lightning/God blast, flight, and other abilities, he should be able to run rings around most opponents while hitting hard. Problem is that doesn't make for an exciting fight in many writers eyes for some reason, so they pull out that warrior's code deal where he fights on his opponents level. Which means instead of using all his powers he decides to slug it out, and continue to do so even against foes with more physical strength.

With his new comic, and the way he handled Iron Man, I would have thought Thor was finally being written right. However I read the ridiculous way he lost to Rulk and realize he's still written like **** in other books.

I know what you are saying, but the fact remains we have to go on the evidence given to us, no matter what we think the quality of the writing. The evidence suggests, VERY strongly, that Hulk is more powerful than Thor.

Yeah, that's not what Stan said at all. He said he wanted to give the HULK a challange and figured how do I give a guy a this guy a hard time when he is "the strongest one there is?" So he said he'd make the strongest mortal fight the strongest god. Simple. He has never said " THOR WOULD BEAT THE HULK!" In fact he was just quoted as saying that NO ONE can beat the HULK as the way he wrote him he always gets stronger and never gets tired the way he wrote him.

Again, the fact remains, almost every fight HULK walks away the winner.

 

[The Superman]

Again, the fact remains, almost every fight HULK walks away the winner.

And that, to me, makes him a boring character.

 

[random_havoc]

Again, the fact remains, almost every fight HULK walks away the winner.[/QUOTE]

Yep, no matter how little sense it makes, how much inconsistency needs to be portrayed, or how crappy it makes the story.


I agree Hulk should be able to beat most, but Surfer should own him, current Thor should own him, and Sentry, according to every on panel encounter before WWH, should also have owned him.

 

[Mutagen]

I agree that Hulk is not very strong when he first transforms, but he's got the universe's best endurance, he will last as the battle goes on.

The characters that are stronger could beat him at first, but most of the time they play with him and that's were they lose their advantage, by giving him the time to get angry, and when Hulk's berserk he will not give his opponent a chance to live.

 

[Mutagen]

And that, to me, makes him a boring character.

I find it results the opposite for me. I get pumped when I know the opponent will be punished for his cocky attitude thinking he can beat the Hulk.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's not what Stan said at all. He said he wanted to give the HULK a challange and figured how do I give a guy a this guy a hard time when he is "the strongest one there is?" So he said he'd make the strongest mortal fight the strongest god. Simple. He has never said " THOR WOULD BEAT THE HULK!" In fact he was just quoted as saying that NO ONE can beat the HULK as the way he wrote him he always gets stronger and never gets tired the way he wrote him.

Again, the fact remains, almost every fight HULK walks away the winner.

You're misquoting Stan as much as Paradox is. The actual quote, from Excelsior! The Amazing Life of Stan Lee, is, "I thought it would be fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? It finally came to me: Don't make him human - make him a god."

So, according to Stan, Thor and the Hulk are at about the same level. Obviously, writers who followed him didn't stick to that model, though.

 

[DACMAN]

I was actually more or less mixing two different quotes.

In Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issues, Stan Lee was asked his opinion about Hulk vs Superman and this is what he wrote, "If I wrote the story, I guarantee the Hulk would win. The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got. And Superman has a certain amount of strength and thats it. I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but never the Hulk."

Putting those two quotes together, logic would dictate that even Stan would think the HULK would win.

 

[The Eagle Host]

Why isn't there a Spider-Man option on the pole?

 

[Paradox1]

I was actually more or less mixing two different quotes.

In Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issues, Stan Lee was asked his opinion about Hulk vs Superman and this is what he wrote, "If I wrote the story, I guarantee the Hulk would win. The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got. And Superman has a certain amount of strength and thats it. I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but never the Hulk."

Putting those two quotes together, logic would dictate that even Stan would think the HULK would win.

Thor is a god he never gets tired. To quote Stan Lee in Avengers#3 "Without virtue, strength is meaningless". Don't even mention the Surfer and the Hulk in the same sentence. Surfer would transmute him into gas or something.

 

[November Rain]

WHo's the strongest woman in marvel????

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why isn't there a Spider-Man option on the pole?

Does that really need to be answered?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

WHo's the strongest woman in marvel????

She-Hulk? Ms Marvel? Emma Frost is indestructable when she turns to diamonds and is one of the most powerful telepaths, but she isn't physically powerful.

 

[Fading]

Why isn't there a Spider-Man option on the pole?

Spiderman's only around 15 tons strength, Luke Cage is 35 tons stronger, and Colossus 85 tons stronger. If Spiderman was up there you'd have to put guys like Sabertooth on there too (pretty sure Sabertooth is around the 10 ton strength level).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was actually more or less mixing two different quotes.

In Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issues, Stan Lee was asked his opinion about Hulk vs Superman and this is what he wrote, "If I wrote the story, I guarantee the Hulk would win. The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got. And Superman has a certain amount of strength and thats it. I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but never the Hulk."

Putting those two quotes together, logic would dictate that even Stan would think the HULK would win.

There's really nothing logical about what you just said, but I know there's no convincing you of anything where the Hulk is concerned.

She-Hulk? Ms Marvel? Emma Frost is indestructable when she turns to diamonds and is one of the most powerful telepaths, but she isn't physically powerful.

Emma Frost was shattered in her diamond form during Morrison's New X-Men run. That hardly qualifies as "indestructible."

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I haven't read that!