The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

Which Character Do You Think Is The Strongest?

  • The Incredible Hulk

  • The Thing

  • Thor

  • Hercules

  • The Juggernaut

  • Thanos

  • The Sentry

  • The Silver Surfer

  • Other


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Based on everything I've read of Thor, I really can't see how you came to that conclusion about his personality. :huh:

How I came to the conclusion that Thor believes he can defeat Hulk hand to hand without compromising any moral integrity?

He tries it all the time.
 
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No, how you came to the conclusion that Thor puts his personal glory at the same level of importance as protecting people. Maybe in Asgard, where he's "protecting" other warriors who can fight for themselves, but on Earth? Nothing I've seen indicates he would do that, which is exactly why his fights with the Hulk don't make sense if you look at them as Thor merely testing his strength.
 
That's just a convenient excuse writers use to mollify Thor fans when the Hulk beats him for the billionth time. A warrior's goal is to defeat his enemy. All the chivalrous bulls*** is just that: bulls***.

Not really. The Hulk's lost to plenty of people. His losses to Thor have just been rarer and rarer. At this point, their rivalry's not even fun anymore because everyone knows the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

I remember an issue of the Hulk not so long ago where he went down to a South American jungle and encountered this anonymous guy in a T-shirt as big as he was(!), and this unknown guy kicked the Hulk's a** like no one has ever kicked it before. Turns out it was the Juggernaut out of costume, and the Hulk didn't know who it was (would it have made a difference?) In the end, Juggy had the unconscious Hulk in a headlock and was getting ready to implement the death-blow before the Red Skull stopped him. I mentioned all this to say that in a curious way it was quite refreshing to see the Hulk get the #!*% beat out of him, because he's become so freakin' omnipotent of late. And what happened to the-madder-Hulk-gets-the-stronger-Hulk-gets in that fight? It all depends on who Marvel editors want to showcase, and this particular issue came out before the first Hulk film (what a coincidence). Right now, Thor's become nothing more than the resident tough-guy who's strong enough to be a punching bag for the star, i.e. the Hulk, in order to showcase his strength, but not so strong that he can actually beat him. Quite reminiscent of Colossus in the X-Men, who was continually getting his head beat off by some nameless evil strongman, but you knew Colossus was always tough enough to survive it and dutifully show up for the next issue - just like the once-mighty Thor.

Let's face it - right now the Hulk is a money-making machine for Marvel (just look in they toy departments nowadays), and they're not about to undermine his stardom by having him get beaten by anyone - especially Thor.
 
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as mad as Banner gets you would of thought he died of an heart attack by now.
 
Eh. Hulk prevents that. With Hulk I don't think it's just about getting madder. I think the longer he stays in Hulk form the more it just stockpiles with each angry outburst. Planet Hulk for example he just keeps getting more and more ridiculously strong until his power is probably at god status (if not more. I mean pulling back tectonic plates?...Really?).
 
When Hulk can make a star go supernova thereby destroy all life in a Solar system I will then and only then put Hulk and god status in the same sentence.
 
Well Thor is a god but I don't think he can pull something like that off, can he?

Dumb question but what would it take to make a star go supernova, exactly?
 
A star remains stable because of two factors, the gravity pulling the substance in and the force of the energy from the nuclear reaction pushing the stuff out. Ordinarily these force are approximately equal so the star remains stable. To make a star go nova or supernova you have to either increase the intensity of the energy pushing out or cancel gravity that pulls the stuff in. The more you destabilize it the bigger the bang.
 
...Well how can any god short of Odin himself pull that off? I mean christ.
 
Thor's godforce has proven capable of defeating Galactus so he might be able to pull it off. The question that occurs to me is what sort of energy is manifested by the godforce and will it do one of the two things necessary. It has been stated that any of Galactus' heralds can make a star go nova. Thor is supposedly as powerful as the Silver Surfer even without the Odinpower.
 
Thor's godforce has proven capable of defeating Galactus so he might be able to pull it off. The question that occurs to me is what sort of energy is manifested by the godforce and will it do one of the two things necessary. It has been stated that any of Galactus' heralds can make a star go nova. Thor is supposedly as powerful as the Silver Surfer even without the Odinpower.

To imply that Thor could possibly hope to defeat a cosmic entity like Galactus is to seriously cheapen Galactus' might and abilities. He's one of the major players in the Marvel multiverse, and one of the characters to arrive on the scene when there's a major threat to all of existence. To say that Thor is on the same plane as Galactus is just pure fantasy. I'm pro-Thor all the way, but let's keep him in his place. He's the premier hero on Earth, but that's about as far as it goes. And he's the strongest of the regular Marvel characters - except for the Hulk, of course, who's in a strength league all by his lonesome because of his the-madder-he-gets-the-stronger-he-gets magic potion that makes him eventually defeat any and all opponents, no matter how powerful, and which also has writers give him ridiculous powers, like pushing apart tectonic plates and jumping to the moon.

Strange, but I remember the Hulk being about 7 ft. tall back in the day when he was no stronger than Thor. Now, he's what? 15 ft. tall? What happened there? If the editors keep growing him stronger and stronger, he'll be the size of Giant-man. Or let's just make him Galactus-sized at 50 ft. tall and then take him on. By that time Galactus' abilities like time-warping, thought-control, telekinesis, power blasts, etc, etc, will all be overcome by the Hulk's almighty cosmic punches. After all, the Hulk is the strongest one there is, right?

Maybe Marvel should do another Secret Wars/Infinity Gauntlet series where the Hulk gets so strong and becomes such a threat that all the cosmic deities have to get together again to team-up and defeat him. The Living Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, Chaos and Order, the Stranger, Chronos, the Celestials, Thanos, Death, the Molecule Man, even the Beyonder (for good measure - have I missed anyone here?), etc, all fight to "take back" control from the uncontrollable Hulk. He defeats them all in the end, of course, with his unstoppable pounding fists. But all of existence is saved from the Hulk's pummeling at the last moment by The-One-Above-All, who it turns out was subtly manipulating the outcome the whole time. Whew!
 
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I don't think anyone equated Thor to Galactus' level. Thor's god blast--his absolute most powerful attack--scared Galactus away one time when Galactus was pretty weak from hunger. I think it's a pretty common consensus that Thor wouldn't stand a chance in hell against a fully powered Galactus in a straight-up fight.
Thor's godforce has proven capable of defeating Galactus so he might be able to pull it off. The question that occurs to me is what sort of energy is manifested by the godforce and will it do one of the two things necessary. It has been stated that any of Galactus' heralds can make a star go nova. Thor is supposedly as powerful as the Silver Surfer even without the Odinpower.
The kind of energy in the god blast is basically the energy of Thor's own soul. But it doesn't matter anyway. Mjolnir can emit any kind of energy, various kinds of radiation, manipulate magnetism and gravity, and do all kinds of other stuff as well. Thor just hardly ever does any of that because most writers see Thor and think, "Ooh, hammer + smashing stuff = awesome!!1" Which, in fairness, is true, but it'd be nice to see Thor use more than a fraction of his powers every now and then.
 
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People give Stan Lee alot of flack about his writing, but at least he used all those wacky powers Mjolnir has.


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Well, he made up all those wacky powers Mjolnir has, so it makes sense. ;) He gave Thor all kinds of weird, one-issue-only powers back in the '60s, too--much like the Superman comics of that period, in fact. Also, Thor used to strap Mjolnir to a lot of things and send them flying off to wherever he needed them to go. He actually duct-taped 3 crooks to a gurney, tied Mjolnir to the front, and threw them over to a police station in a Journey Into Mystery issue I read last night. :)
 
Well, he made up all those wacky powers Mjolnir has, so it makes sense. ;) He gave Thor all kinds of weird, one-issue-only powers back in the '60s, too--much like the Superman comics of that period, in fact. Also, Thor used to strap Mjolnir to a lot of things and send them flying off to wherever he needed them to go. He actually duct-taped 3 crooks to a gurney, tied Mjolnir to the front, and threw them over to a police station in a Journey Into Mystery issue I read last night. :)

Awesome!!
He should do that again in a modern issue. Let's start a write in campaign about it.
 
Haha, I wouldn't mind seeing it. I suspect modern audiences might find it a bit silly, though. Especially the way he literally picked the whole gurney up and swung the dudes around to build up momentum for the big throw. :D
 
No, how you came to the conclusion that Thor puts his personal glory at the same level of importance as protecting people.

I didnt come to that conclusion. I actually said I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that a couple posts ago.

I said it was close. Close enough that it could influence some of his decision-making.

Maybe in Asgard, where he's "protecting" other warriors who can fight for themselves, but on Earth? Nothing I've seen indicates he would do that, which is exactly why his fights with the Hulk don't make sense if you look at them as Thor merely testing his strength.

What do you look at them as, then? There has to be some explanation as to why he does what he does versus the Hulk. If you reject mine (which I think makes sense and follows the mythos of the Norse gods), what would you propose?
 
Bad writing. I don't feel a need to make in-story sense of comics that are clearly just fanwanks for the Hulk at Thor's expense.
 
Sounds like World War Hulk.


And am I the only one questioning the power of these Obedience Disks? The Surfer? Really?

Ok. Just don't be surprised when Reed or Doom are using these things a year from now.


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, Thor used to strap Mjolnir to a lot of things and send them flying off to wherever he needed them to go. He actually duct-taped 3 crooks to a gurney, tied Mjolnir to the front, and threw them over to a police station in a Journey Into Mystery issue I read last night. :)
HAHAHAHAHA! man will the wonders of duct tape never cease!

Dude i gotta read that book now
 
Sounds like World War Hulk.


And am I the only one questioning the power of these Obedience Disks? The Surfer? Really?

Ok. Just don't be surprised when Reed or Doom are using these things a year from now.


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It's funny how Reed's included in the idea of using disks that literally rob people of free will without question. Did JMS' fascist Reed strike a chord with you, Frank? ;)

I don't mind the obedience disks in general, though. It's not like they're the first thing that's ever been devised to put characters under other characters' thrall. It just happens to be a relatively new one.

And yeah, WWH was a total fanwank. At least they gave the explicit explanation that the Hulk was stronger than he's ever been before, ever, like, for seriously, ever ever ever!!!11 for that, though.
 
It's funny how Reed's included in the idea of using disks that literally rob people of free will without question. Did JMS' fascist Reed strike a chord with you, Frank? ;)

I don't mind the obedience disks in general, though. It's not like they're the first thing that's ever been devised to put characters under other characters' thrall. It just happens to be a relatively new one.

And yeah, WWH was a total fanwank. At least they gave the explicit explanation that the Hulk was stronger than he's ever been before, ever, like, for seriously, ever ever ever!!!11 for that, though.

And how many colors of the Hulk have we come to now - each bigger and stronger than the one before? Gray, green, red..... Before long we're going to see rainbow colors of the Hulk, with the Yellow Hulk stronger than the Red Hulk, the Blue Hulk even stronger than the Yellow Hulk, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Each an excuse for a new writer to make a name for himself and demean all the other heroes in the Marvel Universe when they inevitably have to face-off with this chameleon mega-Hulk made of solid adamantium.
 
Eh, I don't mind the other colors so much as I mind the whole "yeah, well the Hulk is even stronger than that!" mentality that keeps pushing him to higher and higher levels. The Hulk literally exists to be a pissing contest with other characters. God knows he can't have any kind of meaningful character development in his usual state, which has all the mental acuity of a crack-baby.
 
Usually when the Hulk gets to the power level where he can just thump The Thing and be done with him...


I tune out.


And that's not even considering my huge prejudiced towards the Thing.



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