BvS The Superman suit Thread - Part 1

[Boy Scout]

What I'm saying is when did it get attached to the helicopter? At his house or at the military base? I say it was at the house.

I know what you meant; I was just messing with you. I should've used a smiley.

I think he flew the ship to the military base and assisted them in attaching it to the helicopter.

Whatever it is, it doesn't dispute the fact that the government and DP know exactly who Clark Kent is.

No, they don't, but they should. We've been expected to use our suspension of disbelief.

Snyder and Goyer more or less confirmed that Perry is in the know.

 

[slumcat]

No, they don't, but they should. We've been expected to use our suspension of disbelief.

This verges into plot hole territory. There is on thing to set up a conceit of a world, like a world where Superman can fly.

But painting the biggest military might in the world as absolutely dumb is taking it too far right? They can have disbelief with things the came up with, like Krypton and flying and other things, but disbelief with how our military and governments work, that's straight up plot hole.

 

[Boy Scout]

This verges into plot hole territory. There is on thing to set up a conceit of a world, like a world where Superman can fly.

But painting the biggest military might in the world as absolutely dumb is taking it too far right? They can have disbelief with things the came up with, like Krypton and flying and other things, but disbelief with how our military and governments work, that's straight up plot hole.

I don't disagree with you, but I doubt it'll be addressed.

 

[roach]

Goyer and Snyder mention that several people know. Most of the people in Smallville know but they won't say anything. So cancel the cop off the list.

While the Kryptonians could be tracked to Smallville there is no reason to believe that's where he was born. It could have been where he was hiding and since he appeared and started fighting them there that's a good assumption.

The ability to find someone is not as easy as some people make it out to be. Just as a real world example: It took the FBI three days to identify the Tsarnaev Brothers and it was mostly due to everyone taking pics at the Boston Marathon. That's three days in a city where everyone is looking for you...in Boston.
How much harder would it be to find someone when the town is protecting you? and he has superpowers?

and we're forgetting the final talk Superman has with General Stanwick....
General Swanwick: Are you effing stupid?
Superman: It's one of your surveillance drones.
General Swanwick: That's a $12 million piece of hardware!
Superman: It was. I know you're trying to find out where I hang my cape. You won't.
General Swanwick: Then I'll ask the obvious question. How do we know you won't one day act against America's interests?
Superman: I grew up in Kansas, General. I'm about as American as it gets.
[pause]
Superman: Look. I'm here to help... but it has to be on my own terms. And you have to convince Washington of that.
General Swanwick: Even if I were willing to try, what makes you think they'd listen?
Superman: I don't know, General. Guess I'll just have to trust you.

The most obvious thing is the Government may have the ability to find out who he is but decide that it may be in their best interest not to 'eff' with a guy who just saved the planet.

 

[D.P.]

The most obvious thing is the Government may have the ability to find out who he is but decide that it may be in their best interest not to 'eff' with a guy who just saved the planet.

Ha, our government doesn't give a damn. We spy on our own allies. We would definitely push the limits when it comes to finding out as much as possible about Superman.

Fine, you caught us spying on you with drones, we'll try something else.

 

[roach]

Ha, our government doesn't give a damn. We spy on our own allies. We would definitely push the limits when it comes to finding out as much as possible about Superman.

Fine, you caught us spying on you with drones, we'll try something else.

Our government doesn't give a damn because they haven't faced someone they'd classify as a walking talking weapon of mass destruction. They may back off from trying to mess with him...especially since seeing what his people could do.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That's exactly what ARGUS has done in the New 52. If deemed necesarry Waller knows all their secret identities and could attack their personal lives.

She nonchalantly talks about all the Green Lanterns with the president at one point.

 

[Superman_200]

First off, the government absolutely knows who he is. The first place that the aliens land is the Kent farm. Then Lois is dropped off by a cop. A cop who sees Superman standing at this farm. A cop who also hears Lois running and screaming 'Clark!'. They then proceed to take transport the spacepod while also explaing that it is the ship the arrived to Earth on.

The Daily Planet people also know. They saw the two making out. There is no way Perry White just looks at Clark and doesn't realize that he is Superman. He was standing right there as they kissed. He is not blind.

I think that Perry was too far away to identify Clark in the scene where they kiss, it looked like he may have been a couple hundred feet away. I think the military should know but just like they keep secrets about what is at Fort Knox, what is in Area 51 and other clandestine military bases, what underground tunnels may connect all bases, there are over 30,000+ pages of the Kennedy assassination that have not yet been made public. If they keep those things a secret, why would they come out and say "Hey, the name that the alien goes by on Earth is Clark Kent and works at the Daily Planet" and then he is gone and out of their sight, again, so even if they knew they would be better off not telling. Plus, they don't trust him, if they piss him off they should be afraid of what he would do to the Earth so the military has BIG reason to keep his identity quiet.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Ha, our government doesn't give a damn. We spy on our own allies. We would definitely push the limits when it comes to finding out as much as possible about Superman.

Fine, you caught us spying on you with drones, we'll try something else.

So true.

 

[TheTarkKnight]

If they do change the Superman suit, what I'm interested in finding out is that where the suit would come from? As we saw in MOS, the Superman suit is almost as indestructible as Superman himself, since it has alien origins and somehow Earth's bullets or explosions were not able to put a dent in it. I don't think Ma Kent would be able to put a needle through the suit even if she wanted to! So the suit must from an alien source, in this case, does the scouting ship -aka Fortress of Solitude (?)- have a suiting deck? If that's the case, then perhaps Superman could tailor new suits for himself, otherwise he's stuck with Jo-Ann fabrics I'm afraid. Unless a very rich person (say, billionaire) with access to the latest tech helps him out Oh, and if the ship does have such a suit producing capability and once he's friends with Batman does not offer to build him a bullet/explosion-proof suit...tsk tsk tsk shame on Kal-el.

 

[Smallville13]

If they do change the Superman suit, what I'm interested in finding out is that where the suit would come from? As we saw in MOS, the Superman suit is almost as indestructible as Superman himself, since it has alien origins and somehow Earth's bullets or explosions were not able to put a dent in it. I don't think Ma Kent would be able to put a needle through the suit even if she wanted to! So the suit must from an alien source, in this case, does the scouting ship -aka Fortress of Solitude (?)- have a suiting deck? If that's the case, then perhaps Superman could tailor new suits for himself, otherwise he's stuck with Jo-Ann fabrics I'm afraid. Unless a very rich person (say, billionaire) with access to the latest tech helps him out Oh, and if the ship does have such a suit producing capability and once he's friends with Batman does not offer to build him a bullet/explosion-proof suit...tsk tsk tsk shame on Kal-el.

The scout ship that got sucked up into the black hole?

 

[lukebrodyg]

If they do change the Superman suit, what I'm interested in finding out is that where the suit would come from? As we saw in MOS, the Superman suit is almost as indestructible as Superman himself, since it has alien origins and somehow Earth's bullets or explosions were not able to put a dent in it. I don't think Ma Kent would be able to put a needle through the suit even if she wanted to! So the suit must from an alien source, in this case, does the scouting ship -aka Fortress of Solitude (?)- have a suiting deck? If that's the case, then perhaps Superman could tailor new suits for himself, otherwise he's stuck with Jo-Ann fabrics I'm afraid. Unless a very rich person (say, billionaire) with access to the latest tech helps him out Oh, and if the ship does have such a suit producing capability and once he's friends with Batman does not offer to build him a bullet/explosion-proof suit...tsk tsk tsk shame on Kal-el.

I really hope the suit isn't altered enough to warrant and explanation in the narrative of the film. There's far too much to do in this movie what with the presence of not only Batman but WW to get into something about the suit and explaining how it's changed etc...

 

[STARMAN]

You can tweak the suit without explaining it. I'm not expecting anything more than that.

 

[Smallville13]

I really hope the suit isn't altered enough to warrant and explanation in the narrative of the film. There's far too much to do in this movie what with the presence of not only Batman but WW to get into something about the suit and explaining how it's changed etc...

Granted it doesn't have to take up much time.

'Ma, I need a new suit.'
'You want to feel less insecure about your privates?'
'Would make backing out of the...

Ha y'know what, nevermind.

 

[John-An]

First off, the government absolutely knows who he is. The first place that the aliens land is the Kent farm. Then Lois is dropped off by a cop. A cop who sees Superman standing at this farm. A cop who also hears Lois running and screaming 'Clark!'. They then proceed to take transport the spacepod while also explaing that it is the ship the arrived to Earth on.

The Daily Planet people also know. They saw the two making out. There is no way Perry White just looks at Clark and doesn't realize that he is Superman. He was standing right there as they kissed. He is not blind.

And how they know? they put trasers to the spaceships.
They knew when they're in MOVEMENT BUT NO WHEN THEY LAND!!!
The cop was passing by and Lois ask for a ride if you didn't notice.
The cop is from Smallville and the cop may know his name is Clark but how does he relate from him and also how did the government know that 1 of 10000 cops knows
And in the scene of the military Superman take the ship with him and then deliver to them that's why they are putting it in that place. That's why we saw Superman outside cause he can fly.

Not the Daily Planet knows the identity, maybe Perry yes, I don't know for sure. But if you noticed non of them see Superman near them.

 

[zryson]

I hope they lighten the tone for Superman's suit. Its just... so dull. Sides, the whole washed out color look is cliche and too many people do it these days to really make it interesting.

 

[John-An]

I know what you meant; I was just messing with you. I should've used a smiley.

I think he flew the ship to the military base and assisted them in attaching it to the helicopter.



No, they don't, but they should. We've been expected to use our suspension of disbelief.

Snyder and Goyer more or less confirmed that Perry is in the know.

That is true. But the government doesn't know who he is. Or why did they put a drone of millions of dollars to follow him?

 

[John-An]

Goyer and Snyder mention that several people know. Most of the people in Smallville know but they won't say anything. So cancel the cop off the list.

While the Kryptonians could be tracked to Smallville there is no reason to believe that's where he was born. It could have been where he was hiding and since he appeared and started fighting them there that's a good assumption.

The ability to find someone is not as easy as some people make it out to be. Just as a real world example: It took the FBI three days to identify the Tsarnaev Brothers and it was mostly due to everyone taking pics at the Boston Marathon. That's three days in a city where everyone is looking for you...in Boston.
How much harder would it be to find someone when the town is protecting you? and he has superpowers?

and we're forgetting the final talk Superman has with General Stanwick....
General Swanwick: Are you effing stupid?
Superman: It's one of your surveillance drones.
General Swanwick: That's a $12 million piece of hardware!
Superman: It was. I know you're trying to find out where I hang my cape. You won't.
General Swanwick: Then I'll ask the obvious question. How do we know you won't one day act against America's interests?
Superman: I grew up in Kansas, General. I'm about as American as it gets.
[pause]
Superman: Look. I'm here to help... but it has to be on my own terms. And you have to convince Washington of that.
General Swanwick: Even if I were willing to try, what makes you think they'd listen?
Superman: I don't know, General. Guess I'll just have to trust you.

The most obvious thing is the Government may have the ability to find out who he is but decide that it may be in their best interest not to 'eff' with a guy who just saved the planet.

yep pretty much everything on it.

 

[John-An]

The scout ship that got sucked up into the black hole?

The scout ship wasn't sucked. The baby kal-el's ship and the BZ were

 

[John-An]

I think that Perry was too far away to identify Clark in the scene where they kiss, it looked like he may have been a couple hundred feet away. I think the military should know but just like they keep secrets about what is at Fort Knox, what is in Area 51 and other clandestine military bases, what underground tunnels may connect all bases, there are over 30,000+ pages of the Kennedy assassination that have not yet been made public. If they keep those things a secret, why would they come out and say "Hey, the name that the alien goes by on Earth is Clark Kent and works at the Daily Planet" and then he is gone and out of their sight, again, so even if they knew they would be better off not telling. Plus, they don't trust him, if they piss him off they should be afraid of what he would do to the Earth so the military has BIG reason to keep his identity quiet.

Perry was the one that know that the alien thanks to Lois. but I think Perry would know, not 100% sure but he wouldn't cause a big deal.
The other two on the DP didn't know what Lois knew of Superman. and to make it more clear they only saw him with Lois and in a pretty much far distance.

 

[Superman_200]

Perry was the one that know that the alien thanks to Lois. but I think Perry would know, not 100% sure but he wouldn't cause a big deal.
The other two on the DP didn't know what Lois knew of Superman. and to make it more clear they only saw him with Lois and in a pretty much far distance.

I wouldn't mind it at all if Perry knew and just kept it to himself. I think basically in this universe, anyone who has seen Superman face to face and has seen Clark face to face should recognize him. I don't think that just because they are not central characters like Lois that they should be dumb. If they had a brush with Superman, fine, but if they have a face to face with him where they say more than a hello to either Superman or Clark, they should recognize him. If someone has extended conversations with Clark Kent to where they would recognize him or say hello if they saw him at a party, they should be able to recognize him immediately as well if they saw him as Superman. Otherwise, Halloween would be a weird time in Metropolis.

 

[Boy Scout]

Goyer and Snyder mention that several people know. Most of the people in Smallville know but they won't say anything. So cancel the cop off the list.

Yep. I actually suspected that would be the case before I saw the movie. I think it's a good idea.

While the Kryptonians could be tracked to Smallville there is no reason to believe that's where he was born.

Maybe not by itself. However, Superman was kind enough to share that he was 33 and grew up in Kansas. It is reasonable to assume that they would use that information to their advantage, and considering the actions taken by both Superman (revealing such sensitive information in the first place) and the Kryptonians (landing specifically at the Kent farm), it isn't hard to believe that they could figure out his identity.

I actually thought he would come right out and tell them in an effort to win their trust.

The ability to find someone is not as easy as some people make it out to be. Just as a real world example: It took the FBI three days to identify the Tsarnaev Brothers and it was mostly due to everyone taking pics at the Boston Marathon. That's three days in a city where everyone is looking for you...in Boston.

Just because it isn't easy doesn't mean it can't be done.

How much harder would it be to find someone when the town is protecting you?

How much harder would it be to keep up that protection when the U.S. government is putting pressure on you to come clean?

and we're forgetting the final talk Superman has with General Stanwick....

That was hardly conclusive.

The most obvious thing is the Government may have the ability to find out who he is but decide that it may be in their best interest not to 'eff' with a guy who just saved the planet.

If they knew, they probably wouldn't tell him they knew.

I think that Perry was too far away to identify Clark in the scene where they kiss, it looked like he may have been a couple hundred feet away.

Snyder and Goyer have hinted that he knows (or will know).

I think the military should know but just like they keep secrets about what is at Fort Knox, what is in Area 51 and other clandestine military bases, what underground tunnels may connect all bases, there are over 30,000+ pages of the Kennedy assassination that have not yet been made public. If they keep those things a secret, why would they come out and say "Hey, the name that the alien goes by on Earth is Clark Kent and works at the Daily Planet" and then he is gone and out of their sight, again, so even if they knew they would be better off not telling. Plus, they don't trust him, if they piss him off they should be afraid of what he would do to the Earth so the military has BIG reason to keep his identity quiet.

Agreed. It should be a matter of national security.

And how they know? they put trasers to the spaceships.

The fact that a confrontation happened in Kansas, where Superman was born, is a pretty huge coincidence in and of itself. They would be stupid not to investigate.

That is true. But the government doesn't know who he is. Or why did they put a drone of millions of dollars to follow him?

They don't, but they should.

 

[John-An]

The fact that a confrontation happened in Kansas, where Superman was born, is a pretty huge coincidence in and of itself. They would be stupid not to investigate.

the fact that we has raised in Kansas but Kansas is big, it was in Smallville, it would put the government to investigate sure, but pretty much the ones that know in Smallville won't tell anything. and by knowing that Superman won't let them to investigate (you know the drone think didn't work for them) that should make them to stay out of it. That could set ARGUS and Waller and I see her capable of knowing that but she will make it really really on secrecy just as the other members of the League identities.

 

[Boy Scout]

the fact that we has raised in Kansas but Kansas is big, it was in Smallville, it would put the government to investigate sure, but pretty much the ones that know in Smallville won't tell anything.

Or so one would hope. I don't doubt that those in the know have every intention to protect Martha and Clark, but I've heard that the government can be very persuasive.

and by knowing that Superman won't let them to investigate (you know the drone think didn't work for them).

Well it's not like they'd make it public knowledge that they're investigating him.

That could set ARGUS and Waller and I see her capable of knowing that but she will make it really really on secrecy just as the other members of the League.

I could see that too.

 

[slumcat]

And how they know? they put trasers to the spaceships.
They knew when they're in MOVEMENT BUT NO WHEN THEY LAND!!!

Seriously???

There is something called satellites which can take images, and there is also something called radar.

You bet your ass the government knows the exact path taken by the aliens, where they landed, where they went etc.

I mean this is really a debate that the government did not know (or cannot find out) the exact farm which the alien ship head towards and landed at? Seriously?