BvS The Superman Suit Thread - Part 4

[Micromind]

Actually in the 2000 dvd special edition Chris reeve said exactly this, "I was 24 and dead serious", in regards to how he played superman. So he was 24 not 26 while filming.

Well, the ages I have given were at the time movie was due to be released, not when they started shooting.

If the year when they started filming is to be considered, then they shot SR in 2005, at that time Routh was 25.

 

[WoodyROM]

So, if anyone was curious, the outer material that is used is called glissenette. It's a highly stretchable, translucent fabric that has a rather unique texture. The chainmail accents are silk screened on to the fabric using 3D high-density ink. The fabric suit is place over the silver muscle suit, which looks to be the same process this go around. To keep the logo thin, they used a (thin) rubber cast from a 3D-printed mold for the red "hope" and the yellow underneath is the fabric of the suit painted/dyed yellow, which is pretty clever imo. You can see the yellow fabric fold under the S in the BvS trailers.

If you're interested this guy created a nearly perfect suit and detailed the process. It's truly amazing work, and if I had the dough I would definitely get one of my own

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=203816&

 

[matt47]

Is it the only way to get sculpted look though?

I am actually basing this idea of them going for different way to get sculpted look and not "silver suit" exactly because of the abs. They look a bit different than they did in MOS:

Yep. I prefer the MoS muscle suit. The abs aren't as crazy

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Not sure who made these, but these simple changes make the costume look so much better. The costume itself isn't even that bad, it's just that there are too many
Little things that make it look... Not so great.

Not really, the material is still bad, the Cape is still a shower curtain, and the trunks still look feminine and make his thighs look like a womans...or maybe that's just Routh.

 

[Micromind]

So, if anyone was curious, the outer material that is used is called glissenette. It's a highly stretchable, translucent fabric that has a rather unique texture. The chainmail accents are silk screened on to the fabric using 3D high-density ink. To keep the logo thin, they used a (thin) rubber cast from a 3D-printed mold for the red "hope" and the yellow underneath is the fabric of the suit painted/dyed yellow. Pretty clever imo.

If you're interested this guy created a nearly perfect suit and detailed the process. It's truly amazing work, and if I had the dough I would definitely get one of my own

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=203816&

I agree with the suit description you have given, it's most likely created like that.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Well, the ages I have given were at the time movie was due to be released, not when they started shooting.

If the year when they started filming is to be considered, then they shot SR in 2005, at that time Routh was 25.

Well that's nice and all but the discussion was the age of reeve, routh and cavill when they played the character. Reeve played superman in 77 the movie was released in 78. I understand that they were still trying to film most of S2 while releasing S1 as filming of both S1/s2 were filming simultaneously but fact still remains he was 24 when filming majority of S1.

 

[matt47]

That guy is incredible. Someone should tweet Wilkinson this stuff!

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

As for ages, it doesn't really matter how old you are, it matters how old you look. If Christopher was 24 be looked like a very masculine 30. Brandon was 25 and looked 20. Kate Bosworth was like 24 but looked 17.

 

[WoodyROM]

Yep. I prefer the MoS muscle suit. The abs aren't as crazy

It's just the difference in lighting, although the sculpt of the abs may be altered somewhat.

Here is the chrome suit from MOS

 

[MAN O STEEL]

As for ages, it doesn't really matter how old you are, it matters how old you look. If Christopher was 24 be looked like a very masculine 30. Brandon was 25 and looked 20. Kate Bosworth was like 24 but looked 17.

I agree. Reeve had a worldly look about him. He didn't look old but just a manly man. Imo no other superman has had that since reeve except Cavill. Dean cain, welling, routh all looked young and feminine to me. Cavill looks manly to me, just like reeve.

 

[matt47]

It's just the difference in lighting, although the sculpt of the abs may be altered somewhat.

Here is the chrome suit from MOS

I dunno about that. Look at every shot in the trailer, the abs are way too obvious.

 

[Micromind]

As for ages, it doesn't really matter how old you are, it matters how old you look. If Christopher was 24 be looked like a very masculine 30. Brandon was 25 and looked 20. Kate Bosworth was like 24 but looked 17.

I agree. Reeve had a worldly look about him. He didn't look old but just a manly man. Imo no other superman has had that since reeve except Cavill. Dean cain, welling, routh all looked young and feminine to me. Cavill looks manly to me, just like reeve.

I don't get theses complaints, I mean we know Chris Reeve was not going to appear as Superman again.

Maybe Singer didn't realize that so many fans wanted a "masculine", "manly-man" as Superman, who could have been chosen then, Cavill certainly looked a lot younger back then, Routh looked young so that leaves Matt Bomer but then does he look more masculine than the other two, so I am not sure. Who else screen-tested ? Brenden Fraser, Ashton Kutcher ? are they manly enough ?

 

[KillerWolf]

So, if anyone was curious, the outer material that is used is called glissenette. It's a highly stretchable, translucent fabric that has a rather unique texture. The chainmail accents are silk screened on to the fabric using 3D high-density ink. The fabric suit is place over the silver muscle suit, which looks to be the same process this go around. To keep the logo thin, they used a (thin) rubber cast from a 3D-printed mold for the red "hope" and the yellow underneath is the fabric of the suit painted/dyed yellow, which is pretty clever imo. You can see the yellow fabric fold under the S in the BvS trailers.

If you're interested this guy created a nearly perfect suit and detailed the process. It's truly amazing work, and if I had the dough I would definitely get one of my own

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=203816&

I was curious. Thanks a lot for this interesting info.

I wonder if batsuit is done the same way...?

 

[superboy13]

I don't get theses complaints, I mean we know Chris Reeve was not going to appear as Superman again.

Maybe Singer didn't realize that so many fans wanted a "masculine", "manly-man" as Superman, who could have been chosen then, Cavill certainly looked a lot younger back then, Routh looked young so that leaves Matt Bomer but then does he look more masculine than the other two, so I am not sure. Who else screen-tested ? Brenden Fraser, Ashton Kutcher ? are they manly enough ?

It's not just about the casting. It's make up, hairstyle, clothing, mannerisms. Look at some Superman Returns scenes, particularly when Superman flies over the ocean and turns around to go back to Metropolis. The amount of make up Routh has on is incredible:

 

[MAN O STEEL]

I don't get theses complaints, I mean we know Chris Reeve was not going to appear as Superman again.

Maybe Singer didn't realize that so many fans wanted a "masculine", "manly-man" as Superman, who could have been chosen then, Cavill certainly looked a lot younger back then, Routh looked young so that leaves Matt Bomer but then does he look more masculine than the other two, so I am not sure. Who else screen-tested ? Brenden Fraser, Ashton Kutcher ? are they manly enough ?

you clearly don't get it. It's been 10 years since the filming of SR and Routh looks exactly the same, no older. Were talking about looks not actual age. Yes cavill looked young back when SR was being cast but he aged into the role, became very manly looking with age. Dean cain, routh, welling, still look young now, sure welling got a bit grey and cain got fat but they both still look youthful facially. Their skin looks smooth and untarnished. Cavill looks make him look harder, more seasoned as superman, just like reeve. You believe he's superMAN not a young guy in a superMAN suit. All this is just how I feel personally, I understand it's not a fact.

 

[Micromind]

you clearly don't get it. It's been 10 years since the filming of SR and Routh looks exactly the same, no older. Were talking about looks not actual age. Yes cavill looked young back when SR was being cast but he aged into the role, became very manly looking with age. Dean cain, routh, welling, still look young now, sure welling got a bit grey and cain got fat but they both still look youthful facially. Their skin looks smooth and untarnished. Cavill looks make him look harder, more seasoned as superman, just like reeve. You believe he's superMAN not a young guy in a superMAN suit. All this is just how I feel personally, I understand it's not a fact.

Yeah, I get that but in 2005 there were limited choices and how a person will age five years from that year (2005) is anybody's guess.

 

[superboy13]

Yeah, I get that but in 2005 there were limited choices and how a person will age five years from that year (2005) is anybody's guess.

There weren't limited choices. They went through, literally, hundreds of people. Routh's looks were a deliberate aesthetic choice by the director, not something the had to settle for.

 

[Micromind]

It's not just about the casting. It's make up, hairstyle, clothing, mannerisms. Look at some Superman Returns scenes, particularly when Superman flies over the ocean and turns around to go back to Metropolis. The amount of make up Routh has on is incredible:

Yeah, lot of decisions Singer and his team took were just wrong. (make-up, hair-style, costume design, Routh's training)

 

[Lencho01]

Reeve as well as Routh were 26 at the time they played Superman, Reeve actually looked a few years older then he was while in case of Routh.. he looked a bit younger than 26.

Cavill was 29 (three years older than Reeve / Routh) when he first played Superman.

Oh, ok. And Routh was hired at a time where actors are more likely to look younger (or try to look younger) than they actually are for more roles and such.

 

[Micromind]

There weren't limited choices. They went through, literally, hundreds of people. Routh's looks were a deliberate aesthetic choice by the director, not something the had to settle for.

Well, I was not aware of who were the other choices, I just know a few runner-ups.

It certainly an ''artistic choice" by Singer to make him look in a certain way but it looked bad on screen, take for example his "color corrected scenes", all the color was given a brown-ish tint, which looked bad.

 

[elgaz]

It's not just about the casting. It's make up, hairstyle, clothing, mannerisms. Look at some Superman Returns scenes, particularly when Superman flies over the ocean and turns around to go back to Metropolis. The amount of make up Routh has on is incredible:

The amount of shots like this in SR - obvious greenscreen scenes - just removed most of the tension and atmosphere from many scenes for me. Routh no more looks like he's hovering underneath real clouds here with zero wind than he looks like he's standing in the batcave. The weak colour palette doesn't help much either.

Contrast with ....

It's strange. I don't think Singer is a bad director, but I really can't help wonder why he went with some of the weird muted & dark colour/palette choices he did for a supposedly uplifting Superhero film.

 

[superboy13]

Well, I was not aware of who were the other choices, I just know a few runner-ups.

It certainly an ''artistic choice" by Singer to make him look in a certain way but it looked bad on screen, take for example his "color corrected scenes", all the color was given a brown-ish tint, which looked bad.

Have you seen the RFK documentary? Singer went through a gazillion people.

And yes, his choices sucked.

 

[superboy13]

The amount of shots like this in SR - obvious greenscreen scenes - just removed most of the tension and atmosphere from many scenes for me. Routh no more looks like he's hovering underneath real clouds here with zero wind than he looks like he's standing in the batcave. The weak colour palette doesn't help much either.

Contrast with ....

In SR's defense, there was also this:

Which is one of my favorite shots in the whole movie.

It's strange. I don't think Singer is a bad director, but I really can't help wonder why he went with some of the weird muted & dark colour/palette choices he did for a supposedly uplifting Superhero film.

Agreed.

 

[STARMAN]

I like the Requiem for Krypton behind the scenes look at the Making of Superman Returns. It definitely gives you insight about their choices, including hair and costume.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, the difference between the filming aesthetics used by Singer for X-Men 2 and SR are painfully obvious, I was certainly expecting him to use more outdoor, grounded shots in the movie than what we got.