The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[BatScot]

You sound like a child who hasn't gotten his way.
I say the costume was made a certain way...you rebut by saying yea but they didn't invent this or that.
I try to comment on technique, and you say I'm glorifying the suit.
...and because you've been talking about something for years, and now that Hollywood has done it in a completely different way or at the very least - loosely related... it's no longer revolutionary? C'mon, get over yourself.

I was fine with our back and fourth until this last post of yours. I'm perfectly cool with differing opinions...but your problem is that you speak as if you personally...not the Batman fan base - but YOU are entitled to what you and only you want and believe.
You have absolutely no sense of open-mindedness...and cannot get past your own personal feelings towards the suit...and are far too incapable of not passing judgement on anything even remotely related to the TDK suit.
You want me to accept your views and opinions while you draw conclusions on mine when all I did was talk about how it was made...because you say there was a sense of glorification in my words!? Let me tell you something...What you call glorification, I call respect.
You've apparently 'talked' about something for years....let me emphasize talked about... and now that Hollywood does something loosely related to something you've been 'talking' about, by you it's 'nothing new'.
Wow, so every sci-fi writer out there has basically stolen the thunder of any new invention or concept that actually becomes reality...because they talked about it first...get over yourself dude.

If you can't have a conversation or a discussion without being condescending, judgmental or over-glorifying yourself because you 'talked' about something that in some small way became a reality years later then simply put and respectfully...you're nothing more than a troll.

I was talking technique...costume making and costume comparisons....but according to you that's not OK because you dislike the TDK suit. Talk about beating a dead horse...

David

You take the low road and I’ll take the high road…

In constructing the TDK suit costume designers and engineers—borrowing from military and moto-bike sources and using materials such as polyester mesh—built a modular batsuit unlike the molded bodysuits previously seen in any Batman film. But while the TDK costume is considered an advancement within industry circles, the final result has been met with mixed reaction.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Too many curvy lines. Imagine trying to draw that as a small child! It never came out symmetrical.

Really? When I was 4 I used to draw Batman all the time with that symbol and I never had any problems.

Real bats do have a lot of curves. Maybe this will explain the extra curve in the B89 emblem:

 

[BatScot]

Very possible that those most responsible for the suit disagree with you about what counts as aesthetically pleasing. You don't have to agree with them, I'm just pointing that out.

I'm sure they would disagree, but neither that nor the fact of being 'most responsible for the suit' makes them infallible or their opinion closed to criticism.

 

[DAVIDYR1]

You take the low road and I’ll take the high road…

Least we forget that you've been raining on my posts when I was merely discussing fabrication and costume making techniques, so go ahead and take the "high road"....I'll continue to be the parade. t:
-you do see what I did there, right?

In constructing the TDK suit costume designers and engineers—borrowing from military and moto-bike sources and using materials such as polyester mesh—built a modular batsuit unlike the molded bodysuits previously seen in any Batman film. But while the TDK costume is considered an advancement within industry circles, the final result has been met with mixed reaction.

Agreed. Let me also add 'again' that I've never once argued against your, or anyone's opinion regarding their personal preference or feeling towards the TDK Suit....so this politically correct post of yours finally earns you that Medal you've been so eagerly awarding me. t:

Peace Dude.

David

 

[BatScot]

Thank you, thank you. I dedicate this award to the unappreciated. Those pontificates of craft who hold in their hands the very things we can only hope to dream of and who blind us with their creations.

 

[Godzilla2014]

You sound like a child who hasn't gotten his way.
I say the costume was made a certain way...you rebut by saying yea but they didn't invent this or that.
I try to comment on technique, and you say I'm glorifying the suit.
...and because you've been talking about something for years, and now that Hollywood has done it in a completely different way or at the very least - loosely related... it's no longer revolutionary? C'mon, get over yourself.

I was fine with our back and fourth until this last post of yours. I'm perfectly cool with differing opinions...but your problem is that you speak as if you personally...not the Batman fan base - but YOU are entitled to what you and only you want and believe.
You have absolutely no sense of open-mindedness...and cannot get past your own personal feelings towards the suit...and are far too incapable of not passing judgement on anything even remotely related to the TDK suit.
You want me to accept your views and opinions while you draw conclusions on mine when all I did was talk about how it was made...because you say there was a sense of glorification in my words!? Let me tell you something...What you call glorification, I call respect.
You've apparently 'talked' about something for years....let me emphasize talked about... and now that Hollywood does something loosely related to something you've been 'talking' about, by you it's 'nothing new'.
Wow, so every sci-fi writer out there has basically stolen the thunder of any new invention or concept that actually becomes reality...because they talked about it first...get over yourself dude.

If you can't have a conversation or a discussion without being condescending, judgmental or over-glorifying yourself because you 'talked' about something that in some small way became a reality years later then simply put and respectfully...you're nothing more than a troll.

I was talking technique...costume making and costume comparisons....but according to you that's not OK because you dislike the TDK suit. Talk about beating a dead horse...

David

Agreed.

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

The new Batsuit looks great!

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

When it comes down to it I don't really care what TDK suit is made of our how it's constructed I just don't like how it looks....end of story.

 

[BatScot]

Agreed.

Oh my, that ceramics smack down left some one a little bitter.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Oh my, that ceramics smack down left some one a little bitter.

Huh?

 

[BatScot]

The horse was still breathing.

 

[the dmg]

Very possible that those most responsible for the suit disagree with you about what counts as aesthetically pleasing. You don't have to agree with them, I'm just pointing that out.

There are a lot of Bat fans that don't agree with it, which is why we are discussing other options for something better.

 

[JAK®]

No see, I actually like the Tron suits as concepts for a movie Batsuit, and I do think that's the way to go after Nolan; because all these fan manips and designs honestly won't work onscreen.

There it is. On my screen. Working.

 

[MiniBond]

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

awesome Sup' suit !!!

 

[Stelze]

There it is. On my screen. Working.

You still don't get it, do you?

It may look cool as a manip, but that's no real material, it is computer graphic.

You don't even know what it's supposed to be. If it was textured like actual cloth I would get it. But that's a freakin texture made on pc that looks more like matte steel than anything else.

I don't even say that cloth won't work on screen, but you can't take a video game texture as an example, something that just isn't real.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Well, I'd imagine the neoprene from Spider-Man or miliskin from Superman Returns would work nicely for that design.

 

[JAK®]

You still don't get it, do you?

It may look cool as a manip, but that's no real material, it is computer graphic.

You don't even know what it's supposed to be. If it was textured like actual cloth I would get it. But that's a freakin texture made on pc that looks more like matte steel than anything else.

I don't even say that cloth won't work on screen, but you can't take a video game texture as an example, something that just isn't real.

You assume too much.

I know exactly what material it is supposed to be. There is no reason this look could not be achieved with a basic neoprene costume over a muscle suit, with the texture screen-printed over it. In real life, anyway.

On film it will be a form of kevlar weave, covering an armoured bodysuit. That's what the muscle suit will emulate; Bale wouldn't actually have to wear the armour underneath.

Just like how the Begins suit was clearly made of rubber but was presented as something that could stop knives and deflect bullets.

You assume that I'm some sort of idiot that can't distinguish art from reality just because my opinion differs from yours. Don't do that again.

 

[MiniBond]

There it is. On my screen. Working.

why is an underwear weird for a live action batman and not for a live action superman ??

 

[Stelze]

Well, I'd imagine the neoprene from Spider-Man or miliskin from Superman Returns would work nicely for that design.

As I said I'm not against it.

What I meant is that he can't just take a video game texture as an example for a real life suit. That just doesn't work.

And I'm sick of his arrogant way of responding to people here. Especially those that share a different opinion.

 

[JAK®]

And I'm sick of his arrogant way of responding to people here. Especially those that share a different opinion.

"You just don't get it, do you?"

I treat people the way they treat me.

 

[Stelze]

You assume too much.

I know exactly what material it is supposed to be. There is no reason this look could not be achieved with a basic neoprene costume over a muscle suit, with the texture screen-printed over it. In real life, anyway.

On film it will be a form of kevlar weave, covering an armoured bodysuit. That's what the muscle suit will emulate; Bale wouldn't actually have to wear the armour underneath.

Just like how the Begins suit was clearly made of rubber but was presented as something that could stop knives and deflect bullets.

You assume that I'm some sort of idiot that can't distinguish art from reality just because my opinion differs from yours. Don't do that again.

You're right with what you're saying there, it could totally work. I never said anything else.
Just think about the way you respond to people.
You're telling me I attacked you because our opinion differs? That totally not the point. So what if I AM doing it again? You're the one who does that constantly.

"You just don't get it, do you?"

I treat people the way they treat me.

I honestly think it's the other way around.

 

[JAK®]

I've managed to have perfectly civil discussions in this very thread on the exact same subject with people who asked the exact same questions you have. It's simply a matter of respect. They didn't treat me as if I was automatically wrong so I did the same for them.

I think you'll find that the people I treat badly are more than guilty of the same thing, and at the risk of seeming childish, they did it first.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

JAK is a saint, and his manip is amazing and could work perfectly on screen, I think we all are just waiting to see what were getting in TDKR. We all share different opinions, but one most shared is that we want two things

1. A Batsuit that allows mobility for fighting
2. A Batsuit that actually looks good on screen

At this point we should all welcome different views and ways to achieve that, and not bash it because I'm sure your aware it can be made to work, Hollywood has tons of cash. If other films can do it with smaller budgets, we can get a great suit in one of the most expensive films in history.

 

[BatScot]

You still don't get it, do you?

Well I get it and had Nolan gone with something like this to begins with everyone here would be calling for Nolan the Great to be beatified... oh, and Jett would have said that BOF had broke the news first... and that he had seen the sketch months before... when it was just a rumor... and that it was all his idea.

And I'm sick of his arrogant way of responding to people here.

I've never known JAK to be anything but decent.

Especially those that share a different opinion.

Ah, well if that's the sort of thing that makes you ill then this place is likely to be detrimental to your health.

 

[Texas Zombie]

No, you and others listed off a bunch of reasons why fabric wouldn't be worse than what we have now. Nobody has answered the question of why it would be better.

Put yourself in Bruce Wayne's shoes. Why would he start wearing a layer of fabric over his armor? What problem would it solve? That's the important question. What practical problem does the current suit have that would be solved by a layer of fabric?

navy seal esque wetsuit perhaps,
or even fire ******ant, they could even have the opening scene dealing with a particular fireshooting enemy.

seems like he would have already implemented fire ******ant material after being lit on fire by scarecrow.

 

[RustyCage]

You assume too much.

I know exactly what material it is supposed to be. There is no reason this look could not be achieved with a basic neoprene costume over a muscle suit, with the texture screen-printed over it. In real life, anyway.

On film it will be a form of kevlar weave, covering an armoured bodysuit. That's what the muscle suit will emulate; Bale wouldn't actually have to wear the armour underneath.

Just like how the Begins suit was clearly made of rubber but was presented as something that could stop knives and deflect bullets.

You assume that I'm some sort of idiot that can't distinguish art from reality just because my opinion differs from yours. Don't do that again.

And that, friends, is how you decisively win an argument in one reply.