The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Godzilla2014]

I'm thinking more of Snake's sneaking suit or Raiden's skull suit from Metal Gear Solid 2.

The MGS4 suit was just one of many disappointments I had with MGS4.

I liked it.

Why...? I loved the Octocamo suit.

Agreed.

I like the materials and the overal concept but other than that its kinda gaudy. I mean its a game, why did they need to have the rubber cowl over the cape Begins style? Couldnt they make them one? And then there's those gauntlets and boots (MY EYES, THEY BURN!!!) and the fact that everyone is built like Bane. I dont know what they re thinking but it could be related to the fact that they re using the Unreal graphics engine, so...

Other than that, AA was one of the best games i ever played. I've never felt more immersed in the Batman world and it didnt have to do with the fact that i was controlling him, but with the atmosphere, the characters, the cameos everywhere i looked, the voices (Hamil, Conroy, Sorkeen), etc.

Why would the cowl and the cape be one-piece? It's two pieces in the comics, and it makes more sense as two pieces than one. Having it be two pieces instead of one means that should the cape get caught in something and be ditched, he can remove it without unmasking himself.

 

[the dmg]

Why would the cowl and the cape be one-piece? It's two pieces in the comics, and it makes more sense as two pieces than one. Having it be two pieces instead of one means that should the cape get caught in something and be ditched, he can remove it without unmasking himself.

Since you ignored my last post regarding the cape and cowl, here it is again:

Not always. Many episodes and comic issues have shown the cape and cowl to be one complete piece. What I said in my post is that they appear to be one. Not that they are, but as it's been shown before, they have been depicted as both.

 

[Saint]

Why would the cowl and the cape be one-piece? It's two pieces in the comics,

This isn't really accurate. Like anything, it's up to the artist--but I would argue the cape and cowl are depicted as one piece as often as two, and perhaps more often.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Since you ignored my last post regarding the cape and cowl, here it is again:

This isn't really accurate. Like anything, it's up to the artist--but I would argue the cape and cowl are depicted as one piece as often as two, and perhaps more often.

OK. It's inconsistent. Keeping that in mind, I prefer them to be separate. It makes more sense and so on.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Why would the cowl and the cape be one-piece? It's two pieces in the comics, and it makes more sense as two pieces than one. Having it be two pieces instead of one means that should the cape get caught in something and be ditched, he can remove it without unmasking himself.

Like 100 people have told you when you said the same thing a couple of pages before: They LOOK like one piece. So it doesnt matter if Bruce can take the cowl off seperately, what matters is that when he wears them, they look like one.

OK. It's inconsistent. Keeping that in mind, I prefer them to be separate. It makes more sense and so on.

Yes, we know how you prefer real life practicality over visuals in a movie about Batman.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Like 100 people have told you when you said the same thing a couple of pages before: They LOOK like one piece. So it doesnt matter if Bruce can take the cowl off seperately, what matters is that when he wears them, they look like one.

And it looks like a single piece in the game. Yet you were complaining that they weren't a single piece in Batman: Arkham Asylum.

Yes, we know how you prefer real life practicality over visuals in a movie about Batman.

I prefer practicality over a visual that doesn't add anything important or look any better in a Batman movie, substance over style.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It looks like 2, exactly like in Begins.

I prefer practicality over a visual that doesn't add anything important or look any better in a Batman movie, substance over style.

Why would this mean that there would be no substance to the batsuit? You do know that it takes Bale an hour to get into the TDK batsuit right? Real life problems occur only if the director wants them to. So what exactly would it cost us or them if they made them a single piece, especially in the game where everything is graphics?

 

[Godzilla2014]

It looks like 2, exactly like in Begins.

They blend together to me. Then again, I don't care if they look that way or not.

Why would this mean that there would be no substance to the batsuit? You do know that it takes Bale an hour to get into the TDK batsuit right? Real life problems occur only if the director wants them to. So what exactly would it cost us or them if they made them a single piece, especially in the game where everything is graphics?

Maybe I used the wrong terms. I will correct myself. Function over form.
As far as the cost of making them a single piece in the game, I think it might have just been a stylistic choice. Maybe the character design team just preferred them to be two different pieces instead of one.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes but there isnt really a compromise in function if cape and cowl are one. Besides as i've often pointed out there are quite a lot of illogical things about Batman that you ignore just because Nolan covered everything else so you dont dare question his logic. For example why would batman have his cape hanging and hindering him when he's not gliding? Or how about leaving his famous chin out in harm's way? Imagine if Batman got a big scar on his chin, where would that leave Bruce Wayne? Or why does he insist on punching people when he could have used a gun with sedative darts and made his life easier? And so on.

Nolan's realism is arbitrary and in any case nobody is suggesting a stupid franchise like Schumacher's, but this obsession with practicality in a superhero franchise is just as wrong. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and your tastes, i will however take a guess and say that you havent read many comics. Its a common thing among people who only know the character from the movies and online discussions on forums to have this "stripped down - realistic - everything must make sense" mentality even if the end result is an eyesore like the TDK suit. But hey, he can move his head!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yes but there isnt really a compromise in function if cape and cowl are one. Besides as i've often pointed out there are quite a lot of illogical things about Batman that you ignore just because Nolan covered everything else so you dont dare question his logic. For example why would batman have his cape hanging and hindering him when he's not gliding? Or how about leaving his famous chin out in harm's way? Imagine if Batman got a big scar on his chin, where would that leave Bruce Wayne? Or why does he insist on punching people when he could have used a gun with sedative darts and made his life easier? And so on.

I won't deny that there is a suspension of disbelief involved, but I like Nolan's take on Batman, and it's realism. It may not be absolutely realistic, but it's a lot more realistic than other superhero franchises.
On the issue realism in superhero films in general, I maintain that the degree it can be done depends on the character. Batman can be done much more realistically much easier than Captain America without altering the character beyond recognition. While I don't think either character is meant to be realistic (so your argument that to make them realistic is to miss the point is valid), with Batman, it doesn't compromise the character being recognizable as who they are.

Nolan's realism is arbitrary and in any case nobody is suggesting a stupid franchise like Schumacher's, but this obsession with practicality in a superhero franchise is just as wrong. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and your tastes, i will however take a guess and say that you havent read many comics. Its a common thing among people who only know the character from the movies and online discussions on forums to have this "stripped down - realistic - everything must make sense" mentality even if the end result is an eyesore like the TDK suit. But hey, he can move his head!

I am not someone who became a Batman fan when the Nolan films came along. I have been a Batman fan longer than I can remember. I grew up with the Burton films and Batman: The Animated Series, and he's always been my favorite superhero. I've read plenty of Batman comic books. To me, the more fantastical elements such as villains like the shapeshifting Clayface and Mr. Freeze aren't essential to Batman, although they may be nice additions to a story.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Fair enough. I was just guessing anyway, i meant no disrespect.

To me, the more fantastical elements such as villains like the shapeshifting Clayface and Mr. Freeze aren't essential to Batman, although they may be nice additions to a story.

Define essential. Is the Joker supposed to be essential?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Fair enough. I was just guessing anyway, i meant no disrespect.

None taken.

Define essential. Is the Joker supposed to be essential?

The Joker is essential, but he isn't as fantastical as either (the shapeshifting) Clayface or Mr. Freeze. I would not want to imagine a whole series of Batman without the Joker, Two-Face, or Catwoman, and to do so would be a great missed opportunity. That's what I mean by essential. I'm not too sad to hear that Clayface or Mr. Freeze wouldn't be in the Nolan films.

Something that I love about Batman is that he probably has the most diverse story potential of any superhero. He can be do a realistic or science-fiction story, and he's the Renaissance Man of superheroes, so there are so many genres his stories can work in, from detective suspense thrillers to crime dramas to psychological thrillers.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Something that I love about Batman is that he probably has the most diverse story potential of any superhero. He can be do a realistic or science-fiction story, and he's the Renaissance Man of superheroes, so there are so many genres his stories can work in, from detective suspense thrillers to crime dramas to psychological thrillers.

Agreed.

 

[itsthebatman]

Agreed.

So I would imagine that Lindy Hemmings return does not have you opening the champagne bottles.

 

[regwec]

*pop*

Any excuse in this household.

 

[EliteF50]

So I would imagine that Lindy Hemmings return does not have opening the champagne bottles.

Nope. No champagne bottles from me. I dislike her work.

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

Meh, the AA suit could use a few changes just as any other. Even in a world where Batman is a 300+ pound chronic steroid abuser the suit doesn't work perfectly.

 

[The Joker]

*pop*

*pop*

I'm glad she's back.

 

[EliteF50]

Even in a world where Batman is a 300+ pound chronic steroid abuser the suit doesn't work perfectly.

You mean including almost every single comic book Batman too, right?

 

[Gianakin_]

*pop*

I'm glad she's back.

*pop*

 

[TheBatman072]

So I would imagine that Lindy Hemmings return does not have you opening the champagne bottles.

I'm glad she's back.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So I would imagine that Lindy Hemmings return does not have you opening the champagne bottles.

No sir, it will not!

Nope. No champagne bottles from me. I dislike her work.

Yeah seriously. And its not just the TDK suit (which i'm sure was designed by lots of people including Nolan) but everything really. I wasnt impressed. Bruce's suits were really good but other than that... eh...

*pop*

Any excuse in this household.

I like your style! t:

 

[Yurka]

I think the reason why the Dark Knight suits "Beak" appears so gigantic, it looks to be a separate piece thats simply not blended to the rest of the cowl. The nose on the Returns cowl looks even bigger from a profile but since its blended in to the rest of the cowl, it doesn't look nearly as massive.

Couldnt find a good picture of the Returns cowl but heres a series of other pics.

 

[Knight Rise]

i think its the neck that kills me. its not smooth like the other cowls

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think its the nostrils. Begins had a beak too, but it didnt have those so it looked a lot better. And yeah the neck kills it for me too. Just CGI the damn thing and get it over with.