The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[JBElliott]

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

Changed things for the worse. The new costumes look awful other than Aquamans. Flash doesn't need a chin strap. The high collars will look dated in a year or two. Batman and Superman still have trunks, but they're the wrong color. All the extra "lines" and "seams" add nothing. WW with pants is just wrong.

 

[D.P.]

Don't be surprised if Man of Steel Superman has a segmented/armor-plated esque costume now in the new movie.

 

[the dmg]

You still don't get it, do you?

It may look cool as a manip, but that's no real material, it is computer graphic.

You don't even know what it's supposed to be. If it was textured like actual cloth I would get it. But that's a freakin texture made on pc that looks more like matte steel than anything else.

I don't even say that cloth won't work on screen, but you can't take a video game texture as an example, something that just isn't real.

And you shouldn't be able to rip the comic costume off of a panel, yet we have this:

And it did not look ridiculous at all.

 

[Boom]

In before "But Spider-Man and Batman's costumes serve two completely different purposes" argument.

 

[Mako]

Out before "But Spider-Man and Batman's costumes serve two completely different purposes" argument.

t:

 

[the dmg]

In before "But Spider-Man and Batman's costumes serve two completely different purposes" argument.

But Batman's a darker character! He would just look dumb! We already had one:

 

[KRIM]

Spidey's costume was always one the best in the genre, irrespective of the medium. It is simply well designed. That lends itself to translating well better than most.

I can only speak for myself, but Batman's undies slightly taints his image for me, and I don't blame anyone for thinking ill of it in live-action. I can overlook it in a comic because that's how he's always been drawn, but I'd definitely be interested in its omission otherwise. With that said, I'd still opt for a more comic accurate based suit, if only because none of the films have even tried. There's a very large gap between what is seen on the page and what is on screen. That leaves a lot of room to tinker on what happily suits both sensibilities.

 

[Mister Meddle]

And you shouldn't be able to rip the comic costume off of a panel, yet we have this:

And it did not look ridiculous at all.

The best live-action super hero suit ever made.

 

[the dmg]

Spidey's costume was always one the best in the genre, irrespective of the medium. It is simply well designed. That lends itself to translating well better than most.

I can see that.

I can only speak for myself, but Batman's undies slightly taints his image for me, and I don't blame anyone for thinking ill of it in live-action. I can overlook it in a comic because that's how he's always been drawn, but I'd definitely be interested in its omission otherwise. With that said, I'd still opt for a more comic accurate based suit, if only because none of the films have even tried. There's a very large gap between what is seen on the page and what is on screen. That leaves a lot of room to tinker on what happily suits both sensibilities.

I'm not even talking about the trunks. I'm talking about a more faithful representation of the costume.

 

[KRIM]

Perhaps I took the "ripped out of the panels" statement too literally, then. Trunks are part of the whole after all.

Otherwise, yes I would agree that a more faithful suit is more than possible. In design, there's very little the traditional batsuit can't provide as a baseline to be expanded and improved upon.

 

[the dmg]

Perhaps I took the "ripped out of the panels" statement too literally, then. Trunks are part of the whole after all.

I can't see a lot of people getting behind the idea of trunks.

Otherwise, yes I would agree that a more faithful suit is more than possible. In design, there's very little the traditional batsuit can't provide as a baseline to be expanded and improved upon.

Well, the baseline was expanded and improved upon in TDK.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I would, just this once, like them to get the color scheme right. People have shown manips on here and it's literally the BB suit, where they just kept the chest symbol dark, and had the bodysuit be a uniform gray.

It look SO much better. And it's literally all just coloring. That's all I'd ask really.

If I'm getting nit-picky, I'd like to see them try and give Batman the thicker neck again, if it's possible to do without sacrificing mobility.

 

[the dmg]

I would, just this once, like them to get the color scheme right. People have shown manips on here and it's literally the BB suit, where they just kept the chest symbol dark, and had the bodysuit be a uniform gray.

It look SO much better. And it's literally all just coloring. That's all I'd ask really.

If I'm getting nit-picky, I'd like to see them try and give Batman the thicker neck again, if it's possible to do without sacrificing mobility.

Personally, the BB suit is one of the worst and it's full rubber. Let's not take a step backwards.

 

[BatScot]

TRUNKS

As far as Batman films go, trunks over tights is indefensible. There, I've said it.

That doesn't mean the 'look' couldn't be achieved. It could. And it could be done while still maintaining a sense of realism, practicality, or feasibility, etc.

Take the 'Night Owl' movie costume, for example.

It is a given that Nolan's Batman seeks more mobility as he adapts the batsuit and one way to achieve this would be less bulky armor in certain areas, such as the hips (which would allow the legs greater freedom of movement). Now in translating the Night Owl design to Batman the "trunks" are effectively an illusion; they appear to exist as a separate component only because they are not armored in the same way the thighs and torso are armored. Instead, the "trunks" are something akin to the TDK 'chain mail' but without the unnecessary ornamentation and they are neither over the suit nor under the armor; what is the appearance of trunks is simply a less obviously armored transition area that is integral to the whole as it serves to connect the torso armor to the leg armor while allowing greater range of motion to the hips. Done correctly the material of the "trunks" would appear somewhat darker/reflect less light than do the torso and leg armor thereby giving the appearance of the traditional black&gray batsuit given favorable lighting conditions.

Et voilà, a perfectly credible reason for "trunks". And the beauty of it is, there doesn't need to be an "explanation" for the "trunks". The "trunks", i.e. the illusion of trunks, exist simply because a secondary piece of rubber isn't glued to Batman's crotch.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Personally, the BB suit is one of the worst and it's full rubber. Let's not take a step backwards.

....I think you completely missed the point of my post. Like completely. I never once said I wanted the BB suit back, I just said I want them to change the color scheme to make the current suit look better.\

Like this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/301209/1262186059.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D277997%26page%3D6&usg=__mPg2dZgbvoE197bnHL53k2iOqGA=&h=1300&w=900&sz=401&hl=en&start=0&zoom=0&tbnid=40HDaNaegYZ2MM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=78&ei=3qcKTq_EKcTVgQfL_8SzBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bdark%2Bknight%2Bbatsuit%2Bmanip%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D596%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=682&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&tx=28&ty=46

Ignore the white eyes, I'm not advocating for lenses, just the color scheme. Just changing the colors a bit make the suit look SO much better. The uniform gray bodysuit makes the jigsaw pattern less apparent, especially when the eye is drawn to the black chest symbol, WHICH WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE!

Something like the above image is all I ask. Really. It just looks nicer. I would LOVE something like that, and it's such a small change.

The only thing close to BB I indicated was the neck. But with that, I just said I'd like him to have a thicker neck, ONLY if they could do it without sacrificing mobility.

EDIT: MY bad. I meant to say the TDK suit in my original post, not the BB suit. My mistake!

 

[the dmg]

....I think you completely missed the point of my post. Like completely. I never once said I wanted the BB suit back, I just said I want them to change the color scheme to make the current suit look better.\

Like this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&tx=28&ty=46

Ignore the white eyes, I'm not advocating for lenses, just the color scheme. Just changing the colors a bit make the suit look SO much better. The uniform gray bodysuit makes the jigsaw pattern less apparent, especially when the eye is drawn to the black chest symbol, WHICH WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE!

Something like the above image is all I ask. Really. It just looks nicer. I would LOVE something like that, and it's such a small change.

The only thing close to BB I indicated was the neck. But with that, I just said I'd like him to have a thicker neck, ONLY if they could do it without sacrificing mobility.

EDIT: MY bad. I meant to say the TDK suit in my original post, not the BB suit. My mistake!

The Spanish Inquisition did it!

 

[EliteF50]

....I think you completely missed the point of my post. Like completely. I never once said I wanted the BB suit back, I just said I want them to change the color scheme to make the current suit look better.\

Like this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/301209/1262186059.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D277997%26page%3D6&usg=__mPg2dZgbvoE197bnHL53k2iOqGA=&h=1300&w=900&sz=401&hl=en&start=0&zoom=0&tbnid=40HDaNaegYZ2MM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=78&ei=3qcKTq_EKcTVgQfL_8SzBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bdark%2Bknight%2Bbatsuit%2Bmanip%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D596%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=682&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&tx=28&ty=46

Ignore the white eyes, I'm not advocating for lenses, just the color scheme. Just changing the colors a bit make the suit look SO much better. The uniform gray bodysuit makes the jigsaw pattern less apparent, especially when the eye is drawn to the black chest symbol, WHICH WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE!

Something like the above image is all I ask. Really. It just looks nicer. I would LOVE something like that, and it's such a small change.

The only thing close to BB I indicated was the neck. But with that, I just said I'd like him to have a thicker neck, ONLY if they could do it without sacrificing mobility.

EDIT: MY bad. I meant to say the TDK suit in my original post, not the BB suit. My mistake!

That's such a beautiful Batsuit, and all it took is some re-coloring.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's such a beautiful Batsuit, and all it took is some re-coloring.

I know! And I'm not even asking for the cape over the shoulders. I just want that color scheme! It helps with everything. Making the bodysuit a uniform (or mostly uniform) gray doesn't call as much attention to the jigsaw pattern. Plus, it makes the chest symbol stand out more, and the eye is drawn to the chest symbol instead of noticing the superfluous pattern on the torso and legs.

And when you get down to it, it just looks better. And let's be honest, this is still a costume. Visual aesthetics are still an important part of it. It's fine and dandy if you want to make it look functional, but you don't have to sacrifice style for practicality.

I'm not asking for a fabric based suit here, I just want a more traditional color scheme. And with one, the TDK suit looks pretty darn good.

The Spanish Inquisition did it!

Haha, I'm getting too tired, I need to start paying attention to what I'm typing. Or go to bed at a normal time...but that's too logical.

 

[JAK®]

Lenses aside, if the next Batsuit looked like that I would be content. It's still rubber, but it looks good, and more like Batman.

Of course, I would still argue until the universe ends that the comic look is doable on screen with anyone who foolishly claims it won't.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think that the new Batsuit in the DC Comics reboot is a great starting point for a live-action adaptation of a more comics-faithful Batsuit. It incorporates the a nice dark gray, but excludes the trunks as well as the oval on the Bat-symbol, and it has a nice armor aesthetic that isn't as busy as the The Dark Knight for those who had a problem with that. I wouldn't mind a darker belt, perhaps in brown/bronze or gray or black, but the gold is fine as well. Thoughts?

 

[JAK®]

Yeah, it pretty much does exactly what I had in mind for a live-action comic accurate Batsuit, minus removing the trunks. So I like it in that respect. But I disagree with it's implementation in the comics themselves. I think the comics should keep the Batsuit simple as possible. No seams or anything like that. Batman should be kept simple.

The design will experience problems when drawn by an artist that isn't Jim Lee. We've already experienced this with Superman's new costume. When depicted in Lee's heavily rendered, gritty style, it works. But as seen with George Perez's take, it looks off in a simpler, more traditional style.

The comics should be considered lucky in that they can get away with the original designs without having to justify them as much as in live action.

 

[BatScot]

I just want that color scheme! It helps with everything. Making the bodysuit a uniform (or mostly uniform) gray doesn't call as much attention to the jigsaw pattern.

Is this the pic you all are referring to?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yeah, it pretty much does exactly what I had in mind for a live-action comic accurate Batsuit, minus removing the trunks. So I like it in that respect. But I disagree with it's implementation in the comics themselves. I think the comics should keep the Batsuit simple as possible. No seams or anything like that. Batman should be kept simple.

The design will experience problems when drawn by an artist that isn't Jim Lee. We've already experienced this with Superman's new costume. When depicted in Lee's heavily rendered, gritty style, it works. But as seen with George Perez's take, it looks off in a simpler, more traditional style.

The comics should be considered lucky in that they can get away with the original designs without having to justify them as much as in live action.

Is there any particular reason you want to keep the trunks?

Is this the pic you all are referring to?

I definitely like the black utility belt, the modified cape attachment, and increased symbol size (I like the explanation that the Bat-symbol is an extra layer of armor over his heart and lungs, and the TDK Batsuit's symbol is a bit too small for that) on this manip. Those three changes really improve the Batsuit.

 

[Pagan]

Is this the pic you all are referring to?

I like that one but would change the plate design of the legs. those two vertical thigh lines would disappear. if you needed them to help with the wrinkling/buckling put them in the back or the side of the thigh. take the horizontal seam there below the belt and continue it around the crotch. that should allow for more movement and give the illusion of the trunks w/o actually being trunks similar to the new Batsuit in the comics.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Is this the pic you all are referring to?

Yep. That's it. There have been quite a few versions of this. And I'm just focusing on the color scheme, anything extra, like the cape that drapes over the shoulders, would be a bonus.

I mean, just a few VERY simple tweaks makes TDK suit look sooooo much better. The only big change is increasing the size of the chest symbol. After that, it's literally all coloring.

It still looks functional, and it looks like an actual Batman costume! It's possible to do both!

I would love it for Nolan to do something like this. Unfortunately I'm not keeping my hopes up.