The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 73

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[the Wankstar]

The cops and SWAT aren't being kidnapped, they are ambushed.

The rich and wealthy, the most powerful in Gotham are being dragged out and kidnapped. Put in nasty clothes and made to live like criminals in prison. Cops aren't cowering under furniture and getting dragged away, no way. Bane takes their clothes, their power and erases their assets at the stock exchange and makes them live like dogs.

Why do you think Bruce is the one targeted and why do you think Bruce's Lambo is being towed and reclaimed? He's broke.

I didnt say kidnapped i said trapped. Theres already spoilers about it them being trapped underground until Catwoman blows open that one tunnel

 

[Nevincer]

Thats one thing i still wanna know the most is what they're gonna say for the Joker being gone

Yeah, I think it should be addressed, especially if this one isn't going to finish open endedly.

 

[The Joker]

Who knows, when that detective tried to rough him up in the interrogation room, his mob lawyer could have used that to lessen the sentence. It's a stretch, but we all know how jacked the justice system can be..

That and they mention numerous times that he's "Crazy", "A mad man", "A freak", "A murdering psychopath" etc. Basically he's seen as an extremely dangerous nut dressed as a clown.

He was obviously intended to end up in Arkham, hence Batman's padded cell line to him at the end. Not death.

 

[SheldonLevene]

It's really upsetting that this thread title has an additional -

 

[gorillanesthsia]

I didnt say kidnapped i said trapped. Theres already spoilers about it them being trapped underground until Catwoman blows open that one tunnel

Okay...so Bane has almost all the cops and SWAT in the city trapped and the first thing he does is hold a phony court session to "sentence" people he already has possession and control of and can do whatever he wants with?

Okay.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm so ready for a new poster...

 

[Avengers-Report]

Not sure if we are currently discussing this, but what happened to the [BLACKOUT]rumored scene about Scarecrow and the court room?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[the Wankstar]

Okay...so Bane has almost all the cops and SWAT in the city trapped and the first thing he does is hold a phony court session to "sentence" people he already has possession and control of and can do whatever he wants with?

Okay.

Way to miss the part where they say Bane has nothing to do with the court. Hes clearly getting ordinary citizens to take back the city from the wealthy. Kinda feels like youre just trolling now

 

[Nevincer]

I'm so ready for a new poster...

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I think Daggett Industries will just be mentioned by name and Daggett wont actually be in it. Fingers crossed theres a Sionis industries mention too

There was a picture taken of two trailers outside the Senate House in London. One said "DAGGETT" on it back in July 2011. The other said "STRYVER".

DAGGETT is number 11
STRYVER is number 12

Stryver is a character in A Tale of Two Cities.

The Dark Knight Rises had a side role for a CEO:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19749464&postcount=914

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=21549765&postcount=696

Phillip Stryver is Vice President of Daggett Industries, according to Goku's source.

According to aliensarchive, he is played by Burn Gorman.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=23009853&postcount=597

Who plays Roland Daggett is not yet known to me. Once, the theory was that it was Tom Conti...but that was before the second trailer.

Spoiler

By Goku's source's description, it looks like Daggett Industries is/was in league with the League of Shadows. "Where is Bane? I want Bane, I don't deserve to be here I'm one of you"

 

[the Wankstar]

Yeah, I think it should be addressed, especially if this one isn't going to finish open endedly.

If they were still going i wouldnt mind but yeah the fact that its the last one something needs shown or said about it

 

[Greens]

I'm so ready for a new poster...

Yes! I kind of want a Catwoman poster...

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Nolans joker and nolans bane would not be on the same team. The Joker wanted Gotham to fall under complete chaos and anarchy. Bane on the other hand wants Gotham to fall under his control. While Bane does cause chaos in gotham, he doesnt relish it, he relishes the power he gains from it. Nolan's Bane is for gaining power and control, and his Joker is for eliminating power and any control.

Just look at that shot of Bane on the battlefield, surrounded by fighting and chaos. Joker would have loved that anarchy. Does Banr look very happy? He's losing control.

 

[the Wankstar]

There was a picture taken of two trailers outside the Senate House in London. One said "DAGGETT" on it back in July 2011. The other said "STRYVER".

DAGGETT is number 11
STRYVER is number 12

Stryver is a character in A Tale of Two Cities.

The Dark Knight Rises had a side role for a CEO:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19749464&postcount=914

Aw thats right forgot about this. Even better then. Still hope theres a Sionis easter egg somewhere though

 

[Marvolo]

Okay...so Bane has almost all the cops and SWAT in the city trapped and the first thing he does is hold a phony court session to "sentence" people he already has possession and control of and can do whatever he wants with?

Okay.

Bane may not be in charge of this court. Bane is starting what seems to be similar to the French Revolution. He is stirring up the poor and oppressed and inciting violence against the Monarchy of Gotham. Just like with the French Revolution courts will pop up that will round up the rich or unliked and try them in false unsanctioned courts. This appears to be what is happening with Crane's court. They do not answer to Bane. They are taking advantage of the chaos and carving out their own system and place in it all. If anyone wants to get a handle on how this film's events will play out read a book on the French Revolution. Bane's plan is similar to those historical events.

 

[craigdbfan]

That and they mention numerous times that he's "Crazy", "A mad man", "A freak", "A murdering psychopath" etc. Basically he's seen as an extremely dangerous nut dressed as a clown.

He was obviously intended to end up in Arkham, hence Batman's padded cell line to him at the end. Not death.

What Batman said is irrelevant.

The crimes committed by the Joker would send him directly under a federal court and through a fierce prosecution. Robbing banks, killing & injuring dozens (including taking the life of a judge, police commissioner, & gravely injuring the cities district attorney), planting explosives and blowing up a hospital, blowing up part of a police precinct by implanting a bomb inside a guy (injuring more cops), planting explosives in ferries threatening to kill everyone on both boats, holding people hostage.

There's no question in my mind that he would have at least have been taken to federal prison. You don't get a city hearing for that and then sentenced to a comfy mental institution.

He would have faced several grave charges with an incredibly strong prosecution that would have made the case that he wasn't insane and used the entire "act" as a ruse just to get off on an insanity plea. He would have been sentenced to death and that would have been the end of that.

So yeah, the Joker most likely is dead in this universe. In the comics sure but in the Nolan films I'm sure the former happened.

 

[taigawithapen]

Its a little off topic, but can anyone see any similarities from any graphic novels other then Knightfall and No Mans Land from the leaked information yet? Im not real up to date on the leaks but I would love to read some new graphic novels that helped inspire this film.

 

[taigawithapen]

Sorry, double post.

 

[ggghhh]

The Daggett rumours seem to fit with Modine's brief mention of a parallel story about corporations.

 

[The Joker]

What Batman said is irrelevant.

Why? Because it refutes what you want to believe?

The crimes committed by the Joker would send him directly under a federal court and through a fierce prosecution. Robbing banks, killing & injuring dozens (including taking the life of a judge, police commissioner, & gravely injuring the cities district attorney), planting explosives and blowing up a hospital, blowing up part of a police precinct by implanting bomb inside a guy (injuring more cops), planting explosives in ferries threatening to kill everyone on both boats, holding people hostages.

There's no question in my mind that he would have at least have been taken to federal prison. You don't get a city hearing for that and then sentenced to a comfy mental institution.

He would have faced several grave charges with an incredibly strong prosecution that would have made the case that he wasn't insane and used the entire "act" as a ruse just to get off on an insanity plea. He would have been sentenced to death and that would have been the end of that.

Ah now here if you want to play the "realism" card, there is not a city in the world that would condone a vigilante dressed as a bat going around pancaking Cop cars, blowing things up, and generally breaking laws left right and center.

I won't even get started on the big batsignal sitting on top of Police HQ of all places for the whole city to see.

To paraphrase you, there's no question in my mind the federal authorities would hunt Batman down and imprison him.

So yeah, the Joker most likely is dead in this universe. In the comics sure but in the Nolan films I'm sure the former happened.

No offense, but given the logic you try to use in this universe I don't find your argument very convincing.

 

[batman1115]

how serious are we really on crane playing a judge? doesnt seem right in nolan's world.

 

[The Joker]

how serious are we really on crane playing a judge? doesnt seem right in nolan's world.

Don't like the sound of it at all. It's just Crane in a Judge's robe. No Scarecrow mask. No fear gas. Nothing Scarecrow like about it. Don't see the point.

 

[craigdbfan]

how serious are we really on crane playing a judge? doesnt seem right in nolan's world.

Goku got that info and seeing as it's from the same source I believe that gave him the info about Selina in prison, I'd be inclined to believe it's true.

Maybe Goku can gives us some more info on this. If it's the same contact then I would certainly believe it personally.