The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[The_Raganork]

I wasn't suggesting it isn't.

 

[Nevincer]

Getting rid of the doomsday device would be the very last act of the resistance plan I assume. So if something is going to happen it'll be here IMO.

Does anybody know what the deal is with the outside of Gotham City, given that inside it's practically a prison? Nobody allowed to come near for kilometres or they'll get shot down kind of thing? If so, Batman getting outside the City could possibly explain how he'd eject unseen and not be found at the crash site.

I'm also incredibly interested in this aspect of the plot.

 

[The_Raganork]

Getting rid of the doomsday device would be the very last act of the resistance plan I assume. So if something is going to happen it'll be here IMO.

Does anybody know what the deal is with the outside of Gotham City, given that inside it's practically a prison? Nobody allowed to come near for kilometres or they'll get shot down kind of thing? If so, Batman getting outside the City could possibly explain how he'd eject unseen and not be found at the crash site.

This is a hard question, it appears Gotham is surrounded by water on most sides though.

The trailer uses shots of Manhattan which implies that it at least on one side is connected to _________ by a bridge.

If you traveled south from there, it's possible Gotham could lead into the Atlantic

 

[AnneFan]

Another musing from me, - if the device has been a lingering threat for the majority of the film, what would cause it to suddenly become an extremely big deal that has to be moved now? Obviously you'd want it out anyway, but perhaps somebody activates it whilst close to their death? Possibly even dying thinking they have achieved their goal. And it becomes a game of seconds.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Talia?

 

[The_Raganork]

Bane

 

[SpideyFan866]

Well, he'd have to pick the bomb up manually first, right?

I am very much on the side of Batman surving this blast, but shown in an ambiguous way where Gotham assume he died. We could very well assume he ejected at some point and left it on autopilot.

I think that if they go that route, they could possibly show him leaving Gotham w/ Selina or maybe even Talia.

 

[camp Blood]

I wasn't suggesting it isn't.

not saying you were its just I posted about it before and nobody ever weighed in on the thought

nuke aircraft existed before but was abandoned in the 60s-70s and I don't see any fuel tanks on the batwing

 

[SpideyFan866]

Bane

It will be Bane. I imagine Bats will defeat Bane by removing Bane's mask and in his, apparent, dying breaths, he'll activate the machine which, like the Microwave Emitter from Batman Begins, can't be stopped; it had to be destroyed.

I expect a certain flying machine's self-destruct will be the method of choice, this time around.

 

[AnneFan]

Bane sent to the floor by Batman physically. Bane boasts that he's beaten here but will still win the day. Catwoman shoots and kills him, but it's too late as Bane manages to arm the weapon and the timer on the bomb is going down. What do we think?

It's in contrast to our discussion where we have Bane asking to be killed.

 

[Van Petrol]

Bane sent to the floor by Batman physically. Bane boasts that he's beaten here but will still win the day. Catwoman shoots and kills him, but it's too late as Bane manages to arm the weapon and the timer on the bomb is going down. What do we think?

It's in contrast to our discussion where we have Bane asking to be killed.

It sounds fine. As fro the bolded part, Do. Not. Want! Also shooting someone in the head/face would result in almost instant death, therefore there's no way he could arm the weapon in his last moments before he pops off, going the whole dramatic and suspense route.

As for those who are keen on the idea, most seem to want a reflective moment to come after that with Batman looking at her in complete contrast to how he views himself and his morals/ideals. With a matter of seconds before the the big bang, and the urgency to destroy it, there really wouldn't be any such moment for the reflection part.

 

[AnneFan]

It sounds fine. As fro the bolded part, Do. Not. Want! Also shooting someone in the head/face would result in almost instant death, therefore there's no way he could arm the weapon in his last moments before he pops off, going the whole dramatic and suspense route.

Maybe I worded it wrong or the wrong order. I mean Bane arms the weapon and then Catwoman shoots quickly afterwards.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I want to see Bane tell Batman to leave him to die slowly and painfully but Batman ties him to something and puts his mask back on so he doesn't die.

and possibly afterwards, Selina comes up and removes his mask and walks away while he laughs in pain (imagine the end of Predator).

 

[Van Petrol]

Maybe I worded it wrong or the wrong order. I mean Bane arms the weapon and then Catwoman shoots quickly afterwards.

Ok. It still wouldn't flow well I feel, as it wouldn't allow for that 'reflective' moment between her and Batman to be played out effectively as there would be a bigger urgency at hand at that moment in time to focus on.

Plus, I just loathe the potential possibility of Catwoman killing Bane in cold blood like that. IMO, it just discredits the whole 'big, bad, almost unstoppable force' image that Bane is seemingly being built up have. To be taken out just like that in almost unspectacular fashion by someone holding a gun feels like a huge let down, IMO, and I think some others would probably feel let down by that type of climax to Bane's presence and arc too.

Catwoman will have her own things to contend and deal with in the film. The Batman and Bane rivalry seems to be playing out between those two specifically with other things and factors thrown in, almost acting as a backdrop for this duel and brought along for the ride. Therefore, I feel their particular rivalry's conclusion should be settled and then left between those two individuals.

 

[AnneFan]

A countdown timer for the last bit of the film would be a really thrilling way to end it. Close-ups on the countdown and cut aways to the action, raising the drama of will he get it out in time?

Bane could go out remorseless and defiant, even thinking he's victorious. Catwoman's kill would mirror Black Mask's kill from the comics, reinforce her greyness and also be a revenge for how Bane treated people like Holly - as well as the moment itself, trying to stop him arm the bomb. Batman doesn't kill Bane, someone else does. He's in the clear there. He would get Bane down on the ground in the first place. It would be settled between the two in the physical stakes. That's where it really counts between these guys. Batman would defeat him, that wouldn't be discredited. I wouldn't see the problem with it being 'anti climatic'. But that's me.

 

[Van Petrol]

It's not a given he 'kills Holly (presuming that's who Juno is playing)' is it? Just hypothesising, right?

I disagree on the physical stakes being the 'be all-end all' between Bane and Batman, as their rivalry is also pretty much based on mentality and intelligence level too. The two of those traits coupled together has made Bane one of his most equalled rivals, so that shouldn't be undermined either.

 

[Van Petrol]

A countdown timer for the last bit of the film would be a really thrilling way to end it. Close-ups on the countdown and cut aways to the action, raising the drama of will he get it out in time?

Yeah, that would be fine, but the urgency of having to deal with it would overtake any moment of reflecion and/or contrast between Batman and Catwoman immediately after the potential shooting incident, when the requirement for that moment is most crucial.

Bane could go out remorseless and defiant, even thinking he's victorious. Catwoman's kill would mirror Black Mask's kill from the comics, reinforce her greyness and also be a revenge for how Bane treated people like Holly - as well as the moment itself, trying to stop him arm the bomb. Batman doesn't kill Bane, someone else does. He's in the clear there. He would get Bane down on the ground in the first place. It would be settled between the two in the physical stakes. That's where it really counts between these guys. Batman would defeat him, that wouldn't be discredited. I wouldn't see the problem with it being 'anti climatic'. But that's me.

The whole idea of Selina/Catwoman just casually coming up and shooting someone who is pretty much defeated in cool and cold blooded way, just completely feels like crapping on the potential image of the character of Bane that they seem to be building up throughout and within the film, with him being taken out eventually that easily and unspectacularly in comparison to what he will potentially do in the film.

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, I'm hypothesising about Holly. It's just another possible reason I added in for Catwoman's actions if she does it.

That is true about the mental side of Bane. But the final confrontation looks to be a physical one. As you say Bane will be highlighted as a big, bad unstoppable force - and if Batman gets him down on the floor he has beaten him, and I for one wouldn't find that underwhelming.

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, that would be fine, but the urgency of having to deal with it would overtake any moment of reflecion and/or contrast between Batman and Catwoman immediately after the potential shooting incident, when the requirement for that moment is most crucial.

This 'reflection scene' could happen after the drama in this sequence. Bruce and Selina meeting up at the end - ultimately deciding to have a go at a relationship despite their contrasts. Also showing the audience Bruce is still alive.

 

[Van Petrol]

Yeah, I'm hypothesising about Holly. It's just another possible reason I added in for Catwoman's actions if she does it.

That is true about the mental side of Bane. But the final confrontation looks to be a physical one. As you say Bane will be highlighted as a big, bad unstoppable force - and if Batman gets him down on the floor he has beaten him, and I for one wouldn't find that underwhelming.

Ah, ok.

I'd be fine with that. Though that is where the confrontation should end, IMO. Between them. It's the added bit after that that I would find underwhelming, when putting it into perspective over the whole thing and ecspecially the rivaly to Batman and Bane and its significance.

 

[AnneFan]

Though that is where the confrontation should end, IMO. Between them. It's the added bit after that that I would find underwhelming, when putting it into perspective over the whole thing and ecspecially the rivaly to Batman and Bane and its significance.

We'll just agree to disagree.

 

[Van Petrol]

This 'reflection scene' could happen after the drama in this sequence. Bruce and Selina meeting up at the end - ultimately deciding to have a go at a relationship despite their contrasts. Also showing the audience Bruce is still alive.

It could, but I feel it would be at its most significanct and poignant instance immediately after the incident occurs. Leave it for a bit, and it looses a bit of its sting, IMO.

 

[Van Petrol]

We'll just agree to disagree.

Cool!

 

[AnneFan]

It could, but I feel it would be at its most significanct and poignant instance immediately after the incident occurs. Leave it for a bit, and it looses a bit of its sting, IMO.

It could work. Look at BB. Bruce effectively outs himself to Rachel in his 'not who you are underneath' speech in the last act. And they meet up at the end of the film at Wayne Manor's ruins.

 

[Doctor Jones]

http://batman-news.com/2012/04/08/the-dark-knight-rises-receives-a-pg-13-rating/

Sensuality. Hathaway bringin dat ****.