The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - Part 16

[kvz5]

No, he does.

310-IMA-BOSS

 

[flickchick85]

Nolan is rather Lax on his crew. He works extra long, but relaxing hours. Kubrick treated his actors like dirt. Asking them to perform seemingly impossible tasks. And of course the billion takes. There is a reason he didn't work with an actor more than once.

Nolan has a vision. But he is willing to compromise. Kubrick was an obsessive perfectionist.

Yeah, that sounds more like Fincher or Terry Gilliam than Nolan to me. But Modine HAS worked with both, and I don't find it so hard to believe that Nolan reminds him of Kubrick in some way.

 

[EliteF50]

also does anyone have nolan's number? I want to ask him some things about the movie

1-555-nope

 

[Dark Knight]

Because you guys know more about their styles and methods than someone who has worked with both of them. If he wants to compare the two, let him compare the two.

Exactly. Fanboys are now ripping Modine, because the man tweets and compares the two? Modine has worked with both. Fanboys in here have not.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Exactly. Fanboys are now ripping Modine, because the man tweets and compares the two? Modine has worked with both. Fanboys in here have not.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Is the general agreement that Bane literally takes over Gotham and turns it into a military state? Tanks patrolling and people living under his regime? If that is the case I'm very excited, mainly because we can't have another "pure chaos" type threat for the city, it needs to be different.

 

[RadioSha]

Ok here me out guys,

TDK had a theme of politics that reflected the present time. Joker was a terrorist who was brought into the picture because the Batman. "You crossed the line first sir, you hammered them (the mob), and in their desperation they turned to a man (Joker) they didn't fully understand." This kind of reflects the relationship of the US against other countries (George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden). Batman being Bush.

Also, Joker's line when he burned his half of the mob's money. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." This refers to the ridiculous spending of the US and operations initiated in the middle-east.

TDK was a movie fueled by the real fears of the people at the time. It was one of the many things that made it successful.

I think TDKR could have a certain focus on the rise of the people. Rise of a new face in government/social order that causes a stir. The old ways of Batman is slowly being overshadowed by a bigger entity. The Batman must rise before full blown anarchy and disorder befall Gotham.

 

[WiseBrook]

Ok here me out guys,

TDK had a theme of politics that reflected the present time. Joker was a terrorist who was brought into the picture because the Batman. "You crossed the line first sir, you hammered them (the mob), and in their desperation they turned to a man (Joker) they didn't fully understand." This kind of reflects the relationship of the US against other countries (George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden). Batman being Bush.

Also, Joker's line when he burned his half of the mob's money. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." This refers to the ridiculous spending of the US and operations initiated in the middle-east.

TDK was a movie fueled by the real fears of the people at the time. It was one of the many things that made it successful.

I think TDKR could have a certain focus on the rise of the people. Rise of a new face in government/social order that causes a stir. The old ways of Batman is slowly being overshadowed by a bigger entity. The Batman must rise before full blown anarchy and disorder befall Gotham.

I would say that, if anything, the Joker is a representation of the terrorist mind. You cant try and rationalize the irrational or understand something that isnt logical, at least not with our Western paradigm.

 

[Batman jr.]

Ok here me out guys,

TDK had a theme of politics that reflected the present time. Joker was a terrorist who was brought into the picture because the Batman. "You crossed the line first sir, you hammered them (the mob), and in their desperation they turned to a man (Joker) they didn't fully understand." This kind of reflects the relationship of the US against other countries (George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden). Batman being Bush.

Also, Joker's line when he burned his half of the mob's money. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." This refers to the ridiculous spending of the US and operations initiated in the middle-east.

TDK was a movie fueled by the real fears of the people at the time. It was one of the many things that made it successful.

I think TDKR could have a certain focus on the rise of the people. Rise of a new face in government/social order that causes a stir. The old ways of Batman is slowly being overshadowed by a bigger entity. The Batman must rise before full blown anarchy and disorder befall Gotham.

This is quite plausible...

 

[DCUmoviepage]

Ok here me out guys,

TDK had a theme of politics that reflected the present time. Joker was a terrorist who was brought into the picture because the Batman. "You crossed the line first sir, you hammered them (the mob), and in their desperation they turned to a man (Joker) they didn't fully understand." This kind of reflects the relationship of the US against other countries (George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden). Batman being Bush.

Also, Joker's line when he burned his half of the mob's money. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." This refers to the ridiculous spending of the US and operations initiated in the middle-east.

TDK was a movie fueled by the real fears of the people at the time. It was one of the many things that made it successful.

I think TDKR could have a certain focus on the rise of the people. Rise of a new face in government/social order that causes a stir. The old ways of Batman is slowly being overshadowed by a bigger entity. The Batman must rise before full blown anarchy and disorder befall Gotham.

Very nice what you say. For things like that the Nolan Bat-Films are so special.

Now, changing the subject, rumos about the Scarecorw back in TDKr, if was true, maybe that old posts of DC forum about the lines of the film are maybe (very maybe) accurate.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/thedarkknightrisescommunity/doc/201356253266296/

And have more on Thread "Should Scarecrow Return In The Third Film?" by member 'Magnus rex'.

 

[Victarion]

Bane seems to be representing an extreme form of order...a polar opposite to what Joker presented in TDK. Batman would need to find a medium between the two in his mission to save Gotham.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Is the general agreement that Bane literally takes over Gotham and turns it into a military state? Tanks patrolling and people living under his regime? If that is the case I'm very excited, mainly because we can't have another "pure chaos" type threat for the city, it needs to be different.

That is both what I truly believe and truly hope.

It is also why I don't see the complains of retreading BB with a doomsday machine plot. I don't think Bane will want to erase Gotham, he wants to rule it. Turn it into his own board-game. The device will make this possible as he has something to threaten the city with. First he will demonstrate his power with it (Stadium scene), and also at the same time demonstrate his own power and ruthlessness (snapping the neck of the creator).

"This is the instrument of your liberation"

In his mind he will believe he is liberating the people of Gotham of it's corruptness and lies. But what he really does is turning Gotham into his own prison. Maybe he himself has been put into prison because of corruptness, lies and unfairness?

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

Do you guys think we'll see Catwoman in the upcoming trailer? I was just wondering because Dent wasn't shown until the second trailer hit, as the first one focused on the Joker. I was just thinking they might take the same approach with this one and focus on Batman and Bane.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Catwoman ain't Dent. Miranda is the one most likely to be concealed.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

Catwoman ain't Dent. Miranda is the one most likely to be concealed.

Dent was one of the most prominent characters in TDK, so why not Selina?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But his turn to villainy was hidden. Catwoman will have no such element. She will be at the forefront of the marketing. Dent wasn't. Hence, she ain't Dent.

 

[Carnotaur3]

That is both what I truly believe and truly hope.

It is also why I don't see the complains of retreading BB with a doomsday machine plot. I don't think Bane will want to erase Gotham, he wants to rule it. Turn it into his own board-game. The device will make this possible as he has something to threaten the city with. First he will demonstrate his power with it (Stadium scene), and also at the same time demonstrate his own power and ruthlessness (snapping the neck of the creator).

"This is the instrument of your liberation"

In his mind he will believe he is liberating the people of Gotham of it's corruptness and lies. But what he really does is turning Gotham into his own prison. Maybe he himself has been put into prison because of corruptness, lies and unfairness?

And something makes me think Bane will go all Predator on Batman at some point. Bane sees his defeat in sight, turns the earthquake machine on in the third act. Nolan ain't gonna let the whole film go without Gotham epically crumbling into an abyss. Audiences have to see that.

I... have to see that.

 

[the Wankstar]

All this No Mans Land stuff is really starting to make me think that the Heinz Field stuff might be the opening scene or somewhere in the first act

 

[Naked Shia]

I think the same. It may happen before Bane and Batman first encounter.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I think the same. It may happen before Bane and Batman first encounter.

I can see it being Bane's first introduction. What a grand entrance!

 

[Naked Shia]

that would certainly make him a real threat. That way, anyone would know he ain't know joke... or joker.

 

[joem4077]

I can see it being Bane's first introduction. What a grand entrance!

That would make sense because isn't the prison break scene that was also filmed in Pittsburgh as a result of an earthquake? Bane could do his thing there then head over to Blackgate

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Ok here me out guys,

TDK had a theme of politics that reflected the present time. Joker was a terrorist who was brought into the picture because the Batman. "You crossed the line first sir, you hammered them (the mob), and in their desperation they turned to a man (Joker) they didn't fully understand." This kind of reflects the relationship of the US against other countries (George W Bush and Osama Bin Laden). Batman being Bush.

Also, Joker's line when he burned his half of the mob's money. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." This refers to the ridiculous spending of the US and operations initiated in the middle-east.

TDK was a movie fueled by the real fears of the people at the time. It was one of the many things that made it successful.

I think TDKR could have a certain focus on the rise of the people. Rise of a new face in government/social order that causes a stir. The old ways of Batman is slowly being overshadowed by a bigger entity. The Batman must rise before full blown anarchy and disorder befall Gotham.

I'm a political animal but I don't buy any of that, especially with the scene involving the mountain of money being burnt down to compost.

The beauty in Nolan's films is that the audience can interpret any particular scene any way they wish.

 

[regwec]

Same with Batman in general- the premise and the characters allow writers to produce any sort of puppet show they like.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Any good film should leave something out to interpretation. Cept pure action/adventure films. Those simply need well staged action and adventure.

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