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[Gianakin_]

I'm sure you are right, but to anyone with half a brain these scenes come off as very cheesy and kind of insulting to our intelligence. The ideas are awesome, but we get it! I believe the audience is smarter than people give them credit for. It's also not the fault of the actors. They are doing the best they can with the cheese they are given. It all just sounds silly because it is silly to have to explain these things.

You give the audience too much credit. There are times when the exposition works and time when it doesn't (in BB and TDK, and now in the TDKR prologue). But I think it's really necessary in these films, which will be viewed by fans and casual viewers alike (viewers who will most likely rent the TF trilogy 2 days after watching TDKR on the big screen).

 

[ThePhantasm]

People are getting stupider these days, its true.

 

[The_Raganork]

if you don't think these films need exposition, look at how many people didn't know what the blood transfusion was for

 

[ThePhantasm]

Again, people are getting stupider these days, its true.

I prefer films not to overexposit.

 

[Nevincer]

if you don't think these films need exposition, look at how many people didn't know what the blood transfusion was for

Lol.

 

[TheDragonator]

if you don't think these films need exposition, look at how many people didn't know what the blood transfusion was for

Thanks for calling me stupid. Really shows maturity.

And, as I said, I knew what it was FOR. I just didn't see how it would make a damn bit of difference.

 

[Travesty]

Again, people are getting stupider these days, its true.

I prefer films not to overexposit.

I actually believe that people are getting smarter.

 

[TheDragonator]

I actually believe that people are getting smarter.

Apparently, in school, I'm learning things my parents didn't start doing until college.

Also, speaking of school, I Loled when someone said 'Oh look, he left at the skydiving explanation'. I admit I was wrong on that, but the reason I left was to go to school, you know, having a life.

 

[batman497]

You give the audience too much credit. There are times when the exposition works and sometimes that it doesn't (in BB and TDK, and now in the TDKR prologue). But I think it's really necessary in these films, which will be viewed by fans and casual viewers alike (viewers who will most likely rent the TF trilogy 2 days after watching TDKR on the big screen).

Maybe I am. I also know that I am being very judgmental about the dialogue in a comic book movie, but this is Batman! I expect more. I'm also aware that Nolan has provided some great work, but I think people give him way too much credit as a filmmaker. When I saw Begins I was blown away. For my money that is still the best comic book movi of all time. When I saw TDK with fans early in IMAX all I heard from others was that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I simply responded with "yeah, it was good". It was good, and is still one of the better comic book movies of all time. That doesn't change that the first 10-15 minutes is on the level of silly. There are serious issues with the dialogue, transitions, and scenes in general that make no sense what so ever. Case in point: Batman mysteriously shows up in the spot where Harvey is interrogating Shift. Reminds me of the spiderman 3 scene in which Sandman runs into Venom in a random alley. How the heck did this happen? It's just embarrassingly random.

 

[The_Raganork]

Thanks for calling me stupid. Really shows maturity.

And, as I said, I knew what it was FOR. I just didn't see how it would make a damn bit of difference.

I wasn't talking about you! Damn it!

about 50 people before you asked what it was for.

Stop being defensive over everything. For someone who thinks we all lack common sense you're here a lot right on every word we say.

 

[Mako]

I wasn't talking about you! Damn it!

about 50 people before you asked what it was for.

Stop being defensive over everything. For someone who thinks we all lack common sense you're here a lot right on every word we say.

That's Dragonator for ya.

 

[batman497]

if you don't think these films need exposition, look at how many people didn't know what the blood transfusion was for

How is this possible? I know what you are saying is true, but how are people incapable of knowing this stuff? I still prefer that the director treat us with a little respect, but man what the heck??!

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

I love the fact that Bane's men seem to be willing to give their lives for him and their "mission". With the Joker you had a man who was willing to give his own and others lives to prove a point, but in this they actually give theirs freely. Escalation seems to be a theme in all of Nolan's Batman movies.

 

[slimshady247]

Thanks for calling me stupid. Really shows maturity.

And, as I said, I knew what it was FOR. I just didn't see how it would make a damn bit of difference.

Not everything revolves around you. Are you a paranoid schizophrenic or something?

 

[DKDetective]

How is this possible? I know what you are saying is true, but how are people incapable of knowing this stuff? I still prefer that the director treat us with a little respect, but man what the heck??!

I don't know how you can even imply that the guy who wrote and directed INCEPTION doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience.

 

[TheDragonator]

Not like you guys don't insult me anyways.

 

[Nevincer]

I don't know how you can even imply that the guy who wrote and directed INCEPTION doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience.

According to it's critics, that had too much exposition too. Can't please everyone

 

[slimshady247]

I don't know how you can even imply that the guy who wrote and directed INCEPTION doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience.

Yeah, there was a great photo for this, but I can't seem to find it.

 

[TheDragonator]

Critics also didn't like Bane's voice.

Perhaps TDKR won't get as good reviews as TDK did.

 

[batman497]

I don't know how you can even imply that the guy who wrote and directed INCEPTION doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience.

Again, Inception is a good movie. It's NOT a great movie. It's visually enthralling, there are good actors and the story is fun albeit not very original. I walked out of Inception just like the Dark Knight saying "pretty good." It's a pretty good movie and the dialogue is much cleaner. It's also okay for a movie like that to explain a little more because it is dealing with a technology that we do not understand. No one will complain that Fox explains the suits to Bruce. The problem is when Bruce asks for the new suit in the dark knight. We've already done this! Just put him in a new suit. We don't need a scene explaining that he can't turn his head! If anything him acknowledging is kind of breaking the fourth wall. Inception also spent way too much time establishing the "rules." Nolan tries way too hard to tell us what is happening rather than those things just happening. We are not stupid. Good directors get their point across without just coming out and telling us their point.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Critics also didn't like Bane's voice.

Perhaps TDKR won't get as good reviews as TDK did.

I could be wrong her, but the press (is that who you're referring to as well?) loved his voice. They just didn't like the volume of it - it felt unintelligible. Hopefully Nolan will clean that up.

 

[batman497]

According to it's critics, that had too much exposition too. Can't please everyone

Because it did! If you guys liked it, then that is fine. You are completely in the right to feel that way. Not trying to insult any of you guys just to be clear, but almost all of his movies are like this. He's not as bad as Cameron for sure. Cameron literally names the stuff they are mining for "unobtainium"!

 

[rashad]

I could be wrong her, but the press (is that who you're referring to as well?) loved his voice. They just didn't like the volume of it - it felt unintelligible. Hopefully Nolan will clean that up.

Yeah they had to problem with the voice itself.