The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[Sharkboy]

Never noticed the running water. Its quite possible that is the shot so many want. Wayne in the suit beaten by Bane

You didn't notice it, because it isn't there. That is the prison wall and Bane is clearly in the prison with him.

EDIT: Or it could very possibly be two unrelated shots...

 

[Syncope]

That is not water. That is a bloody rock.

 

[Figs]

what is possible changed over 10 years .Batman 89 is over 20 years old. lets concentrate on Captain America. where can we see the blood?

In Captain America there is blood shown when someone gets shot to death. Not to mention the biggest example is when the Hydra soldier goes through the plane's propeller, huge amount of blood in that scene.

 

[JStorm]

I'm just looking for any sign of happiness in your life.

I slept well last night. I'm off work for the Holidays. I got sects twice in twelve hours. She called me "puddin'" and "Mister J" in a Harely voice during said act(s).

Oh - and I love you.

 

[the Wankstar]

Meh. Not arguing as I know you are just making a point, Rag.


However. . . I've never had issue understanding anyone in a Nolan film. As for a childish response like "Nolanite," I would be doing the same for other Directors I love. It just so happens there not a huge following for Clint Eastwood pics to have a massive board like this.

Gran Torino, another huge hit that has gravel voice. Gravel voice = gold


Sidenote so is it pretty much clear now that the Rise chant is probably coming from prisoners everytime someone tries to escape by climbing out of the huge hole?

 

[dark_b]

In Captain America there is blood shown when someone gets shot to death. Not to mention the biggest example is when the Hydra soldier goes through the plane's propeller, huge amount of blood in that scene.

i personal dont accept the propeller shot as an exampel that you can show blood in a Pg13 movie. because it a fast shot.

i always mean close up dramatic shots. was there in the last 10 years a close up drmatic shot where we can see blood in a comicbook movie? spiderman was 2001. i guess this example counts?

from what i understand they couldnt use any blood on the joker in TDK when Batman beats him up. and no red on Twoface

 

[zmystico]

You didn't notice it, because it isn't there. That is the prison wall and Bane is clearly in the prison with him.

EDIT: Or it could very possibly be two unrelated shots...

There is enough reasonable doubt to believe it is water, but look at Bale's face...is that a formation of a beard we see growing?

 

[KRIM]

I slept well last night. I'm off work for the Holidays. I got sects twice in twelve hours. She called me "puddin'" and "Mister J" in a Harely voice during said act(s).

Oh - and I love you.

Sidenote so is it pretty much clear now that the Rise chant is probably coming from prisoners everytime someone tries to escape by climbing out of the huge hole?

How did you come to this deduction? The only clear indication we've had thus far is that the chant has only been utilized in non-diegetic fashion.

 

[Figs]

i personal dont accept the propeller shot as an exampel that you can show blood in a Pg13 movie. because it a fast shot.

i always mean close up dramatic shots. was in the last 10 years a close up drmatic shot where we can see blood in a comicbook movie? spiderman was 2001. i guess this example counts?

from what i understand they couldnt use any blood on ht joker in TDK when Batman beats him up. and no red on Twoface

I believe I remember reading an interview with Nolan or maybe Phister saying how they didn't think the blood would look good on Ledger in that scene with his makeup on. I'll have to try to find the interview, but I'm bad when it comes to those searches.

Also, in regards to the shot being too fast in Captain America, it's still a lot of blood to be shown in a PG-13 movie. PG-13 films can get away with some blood whether it's fresh or not. Remember, in America the ratings boards are more strict on sex and the human body then they are with violence.

 

[JStorm]

Well played, sir.

 

[TinkerTailor]

i personal dont accept the propeller shot as an exampel that you can show blood in a Pg13 movie. because it a fast shot.

i always mean close up dramatic shots. was there in the last 10 years a close up drmatic shot where we can see blood in a comicbook movie? spiderman was 2001. i guess this example counts?

from what i understand they couldnt use any blood on the joker in TDK when Batman beats him up. and no red on Twoface

It's not a comic book film but Casino Royale showed blood.

 

[John McGuirk]

And then stitch the letter N into your hand for "Nolanite"

I thought childish insults and attacks weren't allowed?

 

[the Wankstar]

How did you come to this deduction? The only clear indication we've had thus far is that the chant has only been utilized in non-diegetic fashion.

Well clearly someone is chanting it otherwise Bruce wouldnt ask that guy what it means and im just making a logical guess based on all the shots from the trailer. The guy falling with the rope attached im guessing is some random guy trying to escape which is when Bruce asks. The shot from the teaser with the guy climbing with no rope im guessing is Bruce finally escaping.

 

[Figs]

It's not a comic book film but Casino Royale showed blood.

Also, I believe in IM2 when he's fighting Whiplash at the race Stark has a few bloody wounds on his face before he gets in his suit.

Then there's also the scene in TIH when Norton cuts his finger and it shows the blood fall into the bottle. Small examples for dark_b, but it still proves they can get away with some blood in a PG-13 film. It just won't be gory.

 

[Sharkboy]

There is enough reasonable doubt to believe it is water, but look at Bale's face...is that a formation of a beard we see growing?

reasonable doubt? sure if running water has decided to stop moving and take the properties of a rock wall, watch the trailer again.

And yes you also see a slight tinge of grey in his hair, Bruce has been beaten and probably transported to wherever the prison is.

Take note of what Bane is saying as well "when gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die", he is probably explaining to Bruce why he doesn't just kill him, why he is keeping him alive...hence evidence that they are in prison (clearly of Bane command)

another thing to take notice in that scene is Bane's jacket, in the two shots we've seen him in this jacket, the background shows a prison cell of some kind. So I really don't think this is him inside the cave or sewer.

 

[KalMart]

i personal dont accept the propeller shot as an exampel that you can show blood in a Pg13 movie. because it a fast shot.

i always mean close up dramatic shots. was there in the last 10 years a close up drmatic shot where we can see blood in a comicbook movie? spiderman was 2001. i guess this example counts?

from what i understand they couldnt use any blood on the joker in TDK when Batman beats him up. and no red on Twoface

It's funny when there's this sensitivity over blood/violence in PG/PG-13 movies....but then the Star Wars prequels 2 & 3 may have set records for the most dismemberments in film history.

And the you Disney...with POTC...with all the sword slashing and fish guts coming out of characters....

I guess because it's more 'cartoonish' than actually seeing a regular human spurting blood, but you wonder if it's actually ore harmful that way.

 

[KRIM]

Well clearly someone is chanting it otherwise Bruce wouldnt ask that guy what it means and im just making a logical guess based on all the shots from the trailer. The guy falling with the rope attached im guessing is some random guy trying to escape which is when Bruce asks. The shot from the teaser with the guy climbing with no rope im guessing is Bruce finally escaping.

This would be under the assumption the trailer edits are providing accurate context. They are notoriously stitched together to provide some semblance of a narrative, even if said scenes in the actual movie have nothing to do with each other.

 

[dark_b]

.the first two shots are from the same location. he has a dark jacket. its not the winter coat. its a jacket.
when Bane is fighting batman he ha no jacket on. so hes shoulder would look brighter when he is standing next to Bruce. but it looks dark. so maybe its the same dark jacket.


if its true that Bane has a dark jacket when he throws Bruce into prison than the scene where they come down on wires is from a different time. as you see here Bane has the coat.

 

[the Wankstar]

The scenes im talking about are all out of order though. Ones not even in the same trailer. Im just saying from watching it a ton of times thats how it looks like it fits together in my mind anyways

 

[Mako]

Never noticed that was Bane repelling down nice catch Dark! and notice the LoS guantlets

 

[TinkerTailor]

That is not water. That is a bloody rock.

A rock that is bloody, or a bloody rock?

 

[The_Raganork]

wow...I would have never have noticed that was Bane

 

[jonathancrane]

Excluding Batman's dialogue in the The Dark Knight, this outcry is nothing new, but latest complaint in a storm that started when dialogue from the Heinz Field shoot was released.

That was legendary artist Cameron Stewart, currently drawing Batman comics, not just some guy.

I thought it was worthy of mention.

I have a problem with citing him as evidence. He's a terrific artist, and has plenty of awards to reaffirm this. However, he is an artist, not a sound engineer, or involved in any credible capacity with recording and film production. His status as an award winning artist who is drawing the Bat-titles does not have the same credibility as say a person who's worked on several important (yes, I know it's a relative term,) films and has earned a reputation as an authority. If anything, the status as an illustrator great works against him, and erodes his credibility.

I also have a problem with the "anonymous sources close to the production" device. It connects with the issue of credibility above, but gives the writer free reign to use whatever he desires. For all we know, the source "close to the production" could be one of the janitors at the Burbank studio.While I like to believe it is a legitimate source, the whole "anonymous" source device is one that I refuse to use, and I write for a newspaper (not that I am trying to to rub it in anyone's face.)

One of the main issues with this "controversy" is that for the most part, it is not about the sound, but is an another argument in the endless battle between Nolan haters and lovers. Personally, I think the entire episode is overblown. When I saw the prologue I had some low-level difficulty with Bane's first line, but that was because he was talking through the mask, which was transmitting through a burlap sack. After watching it again, I caught the line perfectly.

Now, I might be in the minority in this matter, but want to play the devil's advocate. Let's say that it can be objectively proven that the mixing in the film is pure ****. Well, if that is the case, than it is the standard for all of Hollywood, because there have been numerous other blockbusters (a significant number of them superhero films,) that I had trouble understanding the dialogue. After tallying the number of said films, I could make the case that Hollywood is at fault for its crappy mixing, which renders dialogue impossible to hear during/after action sequences. And, this would connect with the ongoing problem in Bluray releases, which have drained the batteries of my remote in the constant requirement for extreme volume adjustments. So, Nolan is not the main villain, but the head of a hydra that enjoys administering headaches to the viewers.

But, I do not believe that. I believe there is more to the debate than the surface subject matter. And, I also believe that the claims of bad mixing are grossly exaggerated. As I mentioned, it's my opinion. Even if it was scientifically proven to be a terrible mix, I would respond:

 

[dark_b]

The shot from the teaser with the guy climbing with no rope im guessing is Bruce finally escaping.

its the same man


http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22135923&postcount=430

 

[the Wankstar]

Is it possible those arent Los guantlets but just more of Bruces stash that has been raided possibly when they steal the Tumblers?