The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[J.Howlett]

where did he writte anything negative?

Batjihandists is a good start.

 

[dark_b]

Batjihandists is a good start.

its a fact that there are Nolan and Batman fantatics on the internet. and they are right nowthe most crazy fans on the internet. lets not be in denial

Raganork is a huge supporter for TDKR. and i think yesterday he was attacked by someone because he was not 100% positive about BB and TDK.

 

[Destructus86]

That flying vehicle behind the Tumbler looks amazing...but too futuristic to be a cop vehicle or even military?

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Although the trailer description was posted on IMDb as well. People thought it was fake, but it was real. Does anyone think there is any legitimacy to the sewer fight scene description posted on IMDb? I doubt it the guy just created his account on IMDb and the dialogue comes off as amateur.

Rag? Rocketman? You guys usually have good insight to this stuff. Care to nip it in the bud!

 

[J.Howlett]

They're not the craziest fans out there. There's a trust there with this director, considering his filmography for a lot of people. All of the "Nolanites" are just saying let's wait until the film is finished before we decide to rip it a new one based on Bane's voice.

No one has any patience anymore. It's "gotta be first, gotta make a line in the sand with this film" crap out there....7 months before it's released. What the hell? Too many cynics out there, especially when it comes to film journalism.

 

[iamcitizen]

That flying vehicle behind the Tumbler looks amazing...but too futuristic to be a cop vehicle or even military?

Pretty sure it belongs to Batman.

 

[dark_b]

They're not the craziest fans out there. There's a trust there with this director, considering his filmography for a lot of people. All of the "Nolanites" are just saying let's wait until the film is finished before we decide to rip it a new one based on Bane's voice.

No one has any patience anymore. It's "gotta be first, gotta make a line in the sand with this film" crap out there....7 months before it's released. What the hell?

so peopel who dont like it need to wait. but everyone who likes it can praise it the next 6 months?

i am out.

 

[dinste1]

DINSTE1 Y U NO SAY ANYTHING IN YOUR REPLY?!

Don't worry I had the same reaction to the description.

Someone on IMDb made a good point though, watch it be on the front page of that site. lol

Haha, I quite honestly done that face and thought it was fitting.

Such a nonsense of a post.

 

[MiniBond]

Although the trailer description was posted on IMDb as well. People thought it was fake, but it was real. Does anyone think there is any legitimacy to the sewer fight scene description posted on IMDb? I doubt it the guy just created his account on IMDb and the dialogue comes off as amateur.

Rag? Rocketman? You guys usually have good insight to this stuff. Care to nip it in the bud!

I actually like this description ...of course it's filled with some stuff we already know but who knows...even the cheesy dialogues (I'm surprised nobody brought that up already t can match considering Nolan always made this kind of thing work !!

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

That doesn't belong to the cops. That's Batman's new ride!

 

[iamcitizen]

so peopel who dont like it need to wait. but everyone who likes it can praise it the next 6 months?

Positive emotion trumps negative every time

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I actually like this description ...of course it's filled with some stuff we already know but who knows...even the cheesy dialogues (I'm surprised nobody brought that up already t can match considering Nolan always made this kind of thing work !!

Yeah I remember reading the "Then you're going to love me" in the description for TDK trailer and thought it was super cheesy and would never buy that it would be in the film. But it was in it.

I still think it's fake though. Usually the most obvious sign of faking, is that they will take something we already vaguely new about and just build around that. This description sort of just builds around stuff we already knew.

 

[The_Raganork]

Although the trailer description was posted on IMDb as well. People thought it was fake, but it was real. Does anyone think there is any legitimacy to the sewer fight scene description posted on IMDb? I doubt it the guy just created his account on IMDb and the dialogue comes off as amateur.

Rag? Rocketman? You guys usually have good insight to this stuff. Care to nip it in the bud!

What description?

 

[iamcitizen]

I still think that fight takes place in the Batcave. I'll believe otherwise when I see it.

 

[J.Howlett]

so peopel who dont like it need to wait. but everyone who likes it can praise it the next 6 months?

i am out.

Wait to see if it's intelligible in the film not 7 months out. I could give two craps whether you like Hardy's choice of voice or not.

 

[KidHolland8]

Batman Fans are crazy! Lets just accept it!

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

What description?

I posted it on the previous page. It's from IMDb.

Spoiler

My friend was fortunate enough to get to work with the sound crew for The Dark Knight Rises in this past month or so during their first haul of post production work , due to his skill in the field and acquaintance with one of the crew members. He said it was very early in the production for this kind of work, but WB wants to stay ahead of schedule. He got to see one very important scene from the film. The information I’m about to post is from him word for word. I asked him if I could share it, and he said I could as long as I do not mention his name.

The scene I saw is the fight scene between Bane and Batman that Warner Bros has been promoting for the last couple of months. The scene takes place in the sewers underneath the city’s football stadium. It begins with Batman entering the sewer and taking out Bane’s men one by one. This is very similar to the dock scene from Batman Begins. Batman employs a lot of stealth here.

Bane’s men catch on and point their guns at Batman, forcing him out. Bane himself steps out of the shadows.

Bane: Ah, we are so thankful that you accepted our invitation.

Batman: What do you want?

Bane lifts his hand to reveal a detonator. He presses it and there is an explosion behind him. Batman looks concerned as if to expect something else to happen, but nothing does. Bane laughs(His laugh is freaky, man. He doesn’t laugh like someone who knows how to laugh, but rather someone who’s mimicking laughter. As if he’s never had a time to laugh in his life. Combined with the mechanical sound created by his mask, it’s absolutely chilling).

Bane: A mere example of what is to come. Just above us are 30,000 people who have been lied to their entire lives. They have been manipulated by a system of corruption and greed, forced to live in a city of decadence. The very air they breathe is polluted by the lies of the city. Lies that you have created. They are slaves, yet they do not even realize it. We are here to liberate them. Starting today, the people of Gotham will finally have their eyes opened.

Batman: You can’t change Gotham this way.

Bane: Come now, you of all people must understand the importance of dramatic example. This is the way it must be, there is no other way. Gotham will be set free.

Batman: Gotham won’t bend to the will of a terrorist.

Bane: They will bend to me. However, I haven’t answered your question Batman. You asked me what I wanted. Truthfully there is only one thing I want. I want to break you.

After saying this Bane charges Batman and a fight ensues. For the first half the fight it’s pretty even, then near the middle Batman begins to gain the momentum, but ultimately loses it, and Bane just brutally demolishes Batman with every blow after that. It’s done in a way that it seems Bane was toying with Batman for most of the fight, letting him think he had a fighting chance, but by the end it’s apparent Batman never stood a chance. He gets Batman to the ground and rips his mask off. He looks at the piece of Batman’s mask in his hand.

Bane: For so long you have dedicated your life to a dying cause. Change is coming, and it begins today.

In one of the most brutal shots of the entire series, Bane then stomps on Batman’s face with is boot, knocking Batman out.

Bane: Take him

Two of Bane’s men grab Batman and start dragging him away. Bane walks away and drops Batman’s mask.


That is all I saw.

Some notes:

-He only has about three lines, but from what I heard Batman’s voice is perfect. It is not the unintelligible growl we heard in The Dark Knight. There is a slight growl to it, but it’s more like his voice from Begins, but not even that. It’s very similar to the whisper we heard in the teaser, but a lot more aggressive and stern. It’s hard to explain, but it should not be getting any criticism this time around. Well, it probably will, but I think it’s an improvement from The Dark Knight.

-Tom Hardy as Bane is absolutely brilliant and terrifying. My description does not do his performance any justice what’s so ever. It’s completely subtle and nuanced, particularly his delivery of the “break you” line. I’ve seen a lot of fan films with Bane where he screams the line like a barbaric buffoon. Hardy’s delivery of the line is the exact opposite. It’s very quiet, but completely sinister. The way his eyes widen when he says, it’s scary. There’s a sort of longing in his voice, as if this is something he’s been waiting for, for a very long time. The way he charges Batman is terrifying as well. It’s edited in a way that it takes you by surprise, believe it or not. It causes a very physical reaction in you. You don’t expect him to charge. It’s that feeling you get when you’re on a roller coaster and you get to the very top, right before you drop. That’s what it feels like when he charges, and he charges like some kind of strategic gorilla, he shows no sign of stopping or slowing. It’s wonderful.

-The full scene is a lot longer then I described. It’s a good 10 minutes long. Bane has one line during the actual fight “Is this all you can offer? I expected better from Gotham’s champion”. Batman has no dialogue in the fight. The key here is the environment. So much of the sewer environment is used in the fight. Whether it’s Bane pushing Batman against the railings, plowing through the water fall, or even Batman throwing a batarang to take out one of the supporters of a rusty beam. Through out the entire fight Bane’s men have their guns pointed at Batman, but they don’t intervene. They just watch.

Warner Bros is keeping so much of this filmed closed up it’s amazing. None of the promotional material has even scratched the surface and none of what I‘ve written is doing it any justice. I only saw one scene, but this whole movie is big, I can’t even imagine what the climatic fight will be like.

 

[The_Raganork]

Hm...

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Hm...

BS yes?

 

[zmystico]

What if...all the stuff we've seen in trailers and such is all head fake footage by Nolan and NONE of it is actually in the film? lol

 

[The_Raganork]

BS yes?

i'm not buying it. The post is written in a way where it won't be right or wrong at the end of the day.

I mean re-read it, does it tell us anything other than Batman has a fight in the sewers with Bane?

There's nothing here that can't be "miscommunication" if proven wrong.

The dialogue is too heavy handed on LoS/Ra's al Ghul stuff from Batman Begins as well. I know it's about bringing it full circle but there's a point where its cramming it down our throats.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

What if...all the stuff we've seen in trailers and such is all head fake footage by Nolan and NONE of it is actually in the film? lol

The trailer is a mislead. Typical general audience member walks away from seeing that thinking Bane and Selina Kyle are in cahoots as the final villains of the film, while pretty smiling Cotillard remains a friend or gf or whatever.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

i'm not buying it. The post is written in a way where it won't be right or wrong at the end of the day.

I mean re-read it, does it tell us anything other than Batman has a fight in the sewers with Bane?

There's nothing here that can't be "miscommunication" if proven wrong.

The dialogue is too heavy handed on LoS/Ra's al Ghul stuff from Batman Begins as well. I know it's about bringing it full circle but there's a point where its cramming it down our throats.

Agreed.

 

[zmystico]

The trailer is a mislead. Typical general audience member walks away from seeing that thinking Bane and Selina Kyle are in cahoots as the final villains of the film, while pretty smiling Cotillard remains a friend or gf or whatever.

Exactly, Bane isn't even IN The Dark Knight Returns, the true villain is Egg Head, ya know the character from the 60's show...Nolan is updating him for a modern world.

 

[ggghhh]

You can clearly see Bane's mask, and in the teaser the man climbing up the well is bald..

That is not a bald head. And if it was, it would mean it wasn't Bane's mask.

I think it's some kind of headgear but not sure about anything beyond that.