The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 43

[Bane_Fanboy]

He said he will take a picture of it when he drives by again. And no he is not pulling my leg because me and him are HUGE batman fans and we run the site DarkKnightNews.com

just to clear that inevitable question about reliable sources

 

[Ant-LOX]

Great! I didn't snap any pics of TDK marketing, and I hate myself for it. Philly was covering in Posters.

I'm making a trek to New York when the full promo hits - I seriously had a dream about Times Square covered in TDKR Posters and videos.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

Great! I didn't snap any pics of TDK marketing, and I hate myself for it. Philly was covering in Posters.

I'm making a trek to New York when the full promo hits - I seriously had a dream about Times Square covered in TDKR Posters and videos.

You should since it will be the last Christopher nolan Batman experience.

 

[KRIM]

ok everyone I got a text from a friend of mine in LA that said

"Huge Bane Poster in La it starts"

Ahhhhhh Im excited but i dont see anyone covering it so is it true LA Nites??

‎*Update* Here's what else he said:

"I Drove by it its not online but in LA"

"Its the same one seen before just like huge the size of a building"

"No its not a viral just means marketing has begun expect to see billboards and posters soon"


AWESOME hopefully this is the week we get something?!

What's the big deal if it's the same poster we've had for months already?

 

[Falcone]

Why wouldn't it?

Has wealth inequality ever been a prevailing theme in the Batman chronicle?

I listened to a 30 minute interview with Jon Nolan. When discussing the themes of the TDK, he addressed how critics perceived the mass-cell signal SONAR as an allegory for the Patriot Act, and how it wasn't true. The Nolans don't want to make movies with political themes- Batman's distrust and bending of civil liberties has been an idea personified in tons of the comics over the years.

I just don't see how a battle between rich and poor heightens the Batman experience and story.

 

[rashad]

I just don't see how a battle between rich and poor heightens the Batman experience and story.

Context.

 

[Boom]

Batman is going to be killed by a blurple tarp.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

What's the big deal if it's the same poster we've had for months already?

yea but having the poster as big as a skyscraper hanging up in a city is the first. So Maybe it could be the start of something idk just be happy man that something was done

 

[Yurka]

Well the SONAR system was certainly relevant to the times, as will be the "class warfare" themes in TDKR. The trick is to stay as neutral as possible, and not beat the audience over the head with the filmmakers opinion on the issue. I thought Nolan did a great job handling that delicate material in TDK, but I still have my concerns with TDKR. Actually that's one of my biggest concerns.

 

[KRIM]

Has wealth inequality ever been a prevailing theme in the Batman chronicle?

I listened to a 30 minute interview with Jon Nolan. When discussing the themes of the TDK, he addressed how critics perceived the mass-cell signal SONAR as an allegory for the Patriot Act, and how it wasn't true. The Nolans don't want to make movies with political themes- Batman's distrust and bending of civil liberties has been an idea personified in tons of the comics over the years.

I just don't see how a battle between rich and poor heightens the Batman experience and story.

The main character is the wealthiest bachelor in his city, who uses his vast resources (accumulated from his inheritance and ongoing business ventures) to pursue his nightly activities.

The ingredients for commentary on class systems and economic distribution have been in the character's DNA from the very beginning. Writers failing to capitalize on that doesn't take away its inherent nature within Bruce Wayne.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Has wealth inequality ever been a prevailing theme in the Batman chronicle?

I listened to a 30 minute interview with Jon Nolan. When discussing the themes of the TDK, he addressed how critics perceived the mass-cell signal SONAR as an allegory for the Patriot Act, and how it wasn't true. The Nolans don't want to make movies with political themes- Batman's distrust and bending of civil liberties has been an idea personified in tons of the comics over the years.

I just don't see how a battle between rich and poor heightens the Batman experience and story.

For this film and arc, why not? Chris Nolan's Batman is thrown into a more grounded realm, and 'misguided' idealism/philosophy and social issues play a key part to the character's morale choices and growth. A battle between the wealthy and poor with Bruce Wayne/Batman caught in the middle is unique, and it certainly heightens things, in perspective. The tone and atmosphere of this film are set to revolve around Batman's great sacrifice as a symbol, legend and flesh and blood.

 

[Ant-LOX]

Class warfare has always been apart of this series. Batman begins touches on it pretty well. When Rachael drives Bruce to the slums, to remind him of the cities suffering. The entire Narrows was a slum riddled with crime. Bruces father built the rail system, to give the city bigger access.

I think it's a clever idea to introduce class warfare, this could be Bane's entire reasoning for attacking Gotham, who knows.

 

[Falcone]

Yeah, class inequality is touched on in BB. It's odd- didn't the rich help the poor out during the "depression?" Seems odd to declaring war on the rich, especially when the Waynes have done so much themselves.

I dunno, I don't want to get all political here, but I think the privacy issues addressed in TDK are more resonant than an "Occupy" theme. Civil liberties have always been a contentious issue, but I think these Occupiers are kind of a passing fad. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing. He usually does.

It is interesting that Bruce has always been imprisoned by his lifestyle, and this time, he literally will be incarcerated for it. Assuming that is indeed what he is imprisoned for. It is speculative at this point.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

I dont know how to post pics on here but I found a pic of the HUGE TDKR Poster thats in LA and can be found here as a recent posting: http://www.facebook.com/groups/thedarkknightrisescommunity/

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I dont know how to post pics on here but I found a pic of the HUGE TDKR Poster thats in LA and can be found here as a recent posting: http://www.facebook.com/groups/thedarkknightrisescommunity/

So...the "Official" Dark Knight Rises Community.....we meet again.

 

[rashad]

 

[Falcone]

I think it's a clever idea to introduce class warfare, this could be Bane's entire reasoning for attacking Gotham, who knows.

You know, I've always been skeptical about the contention that Bruce is in the prison because of a billionaire purge. I was also skeptical Bane gave a crap about the wealth divide

But as I was writing my last post, I thought of something that made me question my opinion.

In the trailer, it's heavily implied by the people being kidnapped are the wealthy. Later, we see Bruce in a beard in a prison, and Bruce with a beard at the mercy of Bane. It wouldn't be a stretch that if Bruce indeed is kidnapped from Wayne Manor, the Batcave could be found solely by chance.

Perhaps Bane kidnapped Bruce, discovered he was his bane, Batman, and decided to torture him in prison. That would explain why Bane wants Bruce to watch he destroys Gotham.

The question then becomes, why does this European merc care whatsoever about some midwestern metropolis' wealth equality woes, and how could his crusade against the rich be reconciled with his cult like following?

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

Thanks Rashad

 

[rashad]

No problem.

 

[Falcone]

Side note:

Another thing that kind of worries me is the flow of the football scene. Doesn't it seem like this scene will be clunky? Bane blows up a football field and then makes a speech convincing Gothamites to take his side. It all just seems clunky and unrealistic to me.

It's also hard to tell which side of the field he gives his speech from. I've seen pocket cams record it on opposite sides of the field

Was Bane's prisoner at the Rogue's game ever identified? I have heard it [BLACKOUT]Pavel[/BLACKOUT], and a video I saw from the set makes it look that way.

The reason I ask is because I'm starting a new project. It's a Dark Knight Rises mosaic. I am going to try, scene by scene, try map out the chronology of the film and try to hypothesize some sort of realistic plot.

It's an obsession, man.

Also, I think I'm on to something below...

Spoiler

(Bruce Wayne) - (uce W) = Bayne.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Side note:

Another thing that kind of worries me is the flow of the football scene. Doesn't it seem like this scene will be clunky? Bane blows up a football field and then makes a speech convincing Gothamites to take his side. It all just seems clunky and unrealistic to me.

It's also hard to tell which side of the field he gives his speech from. I've seen pocket cams record it on opposite sides of the field

Was Bane's prisoner at the Rogue's game ever identified? I have heard it [BLACKOUT]Pavel[/BLACKOUT], and a video I saw from the set makes it look that way.

The reason I ask is because I'm starting a new project. It's a Dark Knight Rises mosaic. I am going to try, scene by scene, try map out the chronology of the film and try to hypothesize some sort of realistic plot.

It's an obsession, man.

Also, I think I'm on to something below...

Spoiler

(Bruce Wayne) - (uce W) = Bayne.

Nah, I'm sure the scene will flow fine. We've only seen a few clips of it out of context.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

I Like this scene description from awhile back:


*BEWARE POSSIBLE SCENE DESCRIPTION SPOILERS*
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This was ORIGINALLY posted in November 2011, 2 months before the prologue/trailer. This was re-posted on NolanFans in December after the release of the prologue/trailer. Don't know if this is true or Fake, but it is related to the scene in the prologue/teaser with Batman's broken mask when Bane and Batman fight underground in the sewer area. And it did come out 2 months prior to the Prologue and Trailer release





"My friend was fortunate enough to get to work with the sound crew for The Dark Knight Rises in this past month or so during their first haul of post production work , due to his skill in the field and acquaintance with one of the crew members. He said it was very early in the production for this kind of work, but WB wants to stay ahead of schedule. He got to see one very important scene from the film. The information I’m about to post is from him word for word. I asked him if I could share it, and he said I could as long as I do not mention his name."


The scene I saw is the fight scene between Bane and Batman that Warner Bros has been promoting for the last couple of months. The scene takes place in the sewers underneath the city’s football stadium. It begins with Batman entering the sewer and taking out Bane’s men one by one. This is very similar to the dock scene from Batman Begins. Batman employs a lot of stealth here.
Bane’s men catch on and point their guns at Batman, forcing him out. Bane himself steps out of the shadows.

Bane: "Ah, we are so thankful that you accepted our invitation."

Batman: "What do you want?"

Bane lifts his hand to reveal a detonator. He presses it and there is an explosion behind him. Batman looks concerned as if to expect something else to happen, but nothing does. Bane laughs(His laugh is freaky, man. He doesn’t laugh like someone who knows how to laugh, but rather someone who’s mimicking laughter. As if he’s never had a time to laugh in his life. Combined with the mechanical sound created by his mask, it’s absolutely chilling).

Bane: "A mere example of what is to come. Just above us are 30,000 people who have been lied to their entire lives. They have been manipulated by a system of corruption and greed, forced to live in a city of decadence. The very air they breathe is polluted by the lies of the city. Lies that you have created. They are slaves, yet they do not even realize it. We are here to liberate them. Starting today, the people of Gotham will finally have their eyes opened."

Batman: "You can’t change Gotham this way."

Bane: "Come now, you of all people must understand the importance of dramatic example. This is the way it must be, there is no other way. Gotham will be set free."

Batman: "Gotham won’t bend to the will of a terrorist."

Bane: "They will bend to me. However, I haven’t answered your question Batman. You asked me what I wanted. Truthfully there is only one thing I want. I want to break you."

After saying this Bane charges Batman and a fight ensues. For the first half the fight it’s pretty even, then near the middle Batman begins to gain the momentum, but ultimately loses it, and Bane just brutally demolishes Batman with every blow after that. It’s done in a way that it seems Bane was toying with Batman for most of the fight, letting him think he had a fighting chance, but by the end it’s apparent Batman never stood a chance. He gets Batman to the ground and rips his mask off. He looks at the piece of Batman’s mask in his hand.

Bane: "For so long you have dedicated your life to a dying cause. Change is coming, and it begins today."

In one of the most brutal shots of the entire series, Bane then stomps on Batman’s face with is boot, knocking Batman out.

Bane: "Take him"

Two of Bane’s men grab Batman and start dragging him away. Bane walks away and drops Batman’s mask.
That is all I saw.


Some notes:
-He only has about three lines, but from what I heard Batman’s voice is perfect. It is not the unintelligible growl we heard in The Dark Knight. There is a slight growl to it, but it’s more like his voice from Begins, but not even that. It’s very similar to the whisper we heard in the teaser, but a lot more aggressive and stern. It’s hard to explain, but it should not be getting any criticism this time around. Well, it probably will, but I think it’s an improvement from The Dark Knight.
-Tom Hardy as Bane is absolutely brilliant and terrifying. My description does not do his performance any justice what’s so ever. It’s completely subtle and nuanced, particularly his delivery of the “break you” line. I’ve seen a lot of fan films with Bane where he screams the line like a barbaric buffoon. Hardy’s delivery of the line is the exact opposite. It’s very quiet, but completely sinister. The way his eyes widen when he says, it’s scary. There’s a sort of longing in his voice, as if this is something he’s been waiting for, for a very long time. The way he charges Batman is terrifying as well. It’s edited in a way that it takes you by surprise, believe it or not. It causes a very physical reaction in you. You don’t expect him to charge. It’s that feeling you get when you’re on a roller coaster and you get to the very top, right before you drop. That’s what it feels like when he charges, and he charges like some kind of strategic gorilla, he shows no sign of stopping or slowing. It’s wonderful.
-The full scene is a lot longer then I described. It’s a good 10 minutes long. Bane has one line during the actual fight “Is this all you can offer? I expected better from Gotham’s champion”. Batman has no dialogue in the fight. The key here is the environment. So much of the sewer environment is used in the fight. Whether it’s Bane pushing Batman against the railings, plowing through the water fall, or even Batman throwing a batarang to take out one of the supporters of a rusty beam. Through out the entire fight Bane’s men have their guns pointed at Batman, but they don’t intervene. They just watch.
Warner Bros is keeping so much of this filmed closed up it’s amazing. None of the promotional material has even scratched the surface and none of what I‘ve written is doing it any justice. I only saw one scene, but this whole movie is big, I can’t even imagine what the climatic fight will be like"

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[Falcone]

I'm skeptical that it's true. To me, it seems easy that whoever wrote the article caught wind of the Rogues shoot, and decided that he could capitalize on it by making a fake story. Bane is in the stadium when he presses the detonator. He likely sees the explosion. It should be noted, however, that there is likely a time delay on the detonator-pressing and the actual explosion. In the shot where he presses it, there is no team on the field.

Not that it's a main point, but I imagine that the explosion occurs right after the kick off because you don't see and o or d line, but the actor who plays the sole survivor is a receiver...

Also, I am certain Bane doesn't incarcerate Batman. I am 100% certain he actually breaks into the prison. He can be seen for a quarter of a second in the second-to-last shot of the trailer. It is clearly jacket, bald head and wrist support. I suspect this shot has actually been mirrored, though. I think his wrist band is on the wrong side, but it makes sense, considering most of the preceding shots had action on the left side.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, class inequality is touched on in BB. It's odd- didn't the rich help the poor out during the "depression?" Seems odd to declaring war on the rich, especially when the Waynes have done so much themselves.

I dunno, I don't want to get all political here, but I think the privacy issues addressed in TDK are more resonant than an "Occupy" theme. Civil liberties have always been a contentious issue, but I think these Occupiers are kind of a passing fad. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing. He usually does.

It is interesting that Bruce has always been imprisoned by his lifestyle, and this time, he literally will be incarcerated for it. Assuming that is indeed what he is imprisoned for. It is speculative at this point.

Don't forget though the script was done well before the whole occupy nonsense flared up. Just a freakish coincidence that life just happened to imitate art (to whatever degree it may).

 

[Falcone]

Also, the "champion" taunt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Batman is a menace, is he not?

I will, say, though, that the dialogue is indeed Bane-esque. Though clunky, the way it took him like two minutes to answer Batman's question. And the Batman lines seem a bit too simple and derivative of things we've heard in the past.