The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - Part 44

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[Nevincer]

I'll do the honors.

 

[The_Raganork]

Cynicism is a person's persective on life. It's a very grey subject, and you both have different opinions on what defines cynicism, so it's impossible to come to any conclusion on whether or not Batman's choice was cynical or not, lol.

actually it seems to me that Krim and Yurka have the same definition of cynicism but are disagreeing with if it was in fact a factor in Batman's actions at the end of TDK.

And I have to agree with Krim on this because of the final monologue and what precedes it. Batman is gifting Gotham something at the end of TDK. He's not doing it because he's lost faith in people (first off all that's counter to the scene right before where boast to Joker that the people have proven Joker wrong.) I see it because he has more faith in people. He thinks that they have deserved the right to not be let down, its just as much of putting up a facade as it is rewarding the people for not giving into the Joker.

It's an act of affection and most of all Trust (which will have it's duality in TDKR) in Gotham that they will take this news and do good with it. He's rewarding them for trusting a good man and by circumstances that are somewhat Batman's fault, that man was turned. It's his way of giving back to Gotham after the selfish action of trying to save Rachel instead of doing what would have been right for Gotham as a whole.

 

[Kane52630]

I'm guessing part 45 is when we will get something.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm guessing part 45 is when we will get something.

I think so.

 

[venus_ice]

Soon there will be new things to discuss.

 

[The_Raganork]

Remember how happy we were when part 9 gave us news?

 

[Nevincer]

Christ, I can't even remember the specific 'parts' that had news.

 

[バット人]

I was reading the last version of this thread about Bruce Wayne giving up the cape and cowl. Batman is Byronic hero, "giving it up" ISN'T an option for the character as most people perceive him.

 

[Nevincer]

I was reading the last version of this thread about Bruce Wayne giving up the cape and cowl. Batman is Byronic hero, "giving it up" ISN'T an option for the character as most people perceive him.

Oh god, here we go again.

 

[The_Raganork]

Christ, I can't even remember the specific 'parts' that had news.

I only remember because we had a large celebration about it.

I was reading the last version of this thread about Bruce Wayne giving up the cape and cowl. Batman is Byronic hero, "giving it up" ISN'T an option for the character as most people perceive him.

Then it's time to change some perceptions.

 

[Kane52630]

I think it was back when we had the Info Hunters thread. Remember that thread? I do

 

[SpideyFan866]

I was reading the last version of this thread about Bruce Wayne giving up the cape and cowl. Batman is Byronic hero, "giving it up" ISN'T an option for the character as most people perceive him.

Please go read the last 30 pages of part 43.

 

[Nevincer]

I think it was back when we had the Info Hunters thread. Remember that thread? I do

Yup. It was basically this thread, but because of the title people were getting mad that discussions (and in some cases, spam/off-topic chatter) were getting in the way of any actual info to be found.

 

[venus_ice]

I think it was back when we had the Info Hunters thread. Remember that thread? I do

I remember when there was info to be found.

Good times.

 

[Nevincer]

Remember when we had to play people's personal viral games and join their online communities in order to get "info"?

Oh, and when we overanalyzed every tweet on the internet regarding film or superheroes and got mad when it didn't turn out to be TDKR related?

Good times.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Dear Mr. Nolan, I know you'll probably never see this but PLEASE give us something. Even if its just releasing the prologue officially, please give us something.

Respect,

SpideyFan866

 

[The_Raganork]

That'd be fun right about now...

News is in the pipeline. It must be.

It must...

 

[Nevincer]

Dear Mr. Nolan, I know you'll probably never see this but PLEASE give us something. Even if its just releasing the prologue officially, please give us something.

Respect,

SpideyFan866

Nolan hasn't browsed the internet in his life.

 

[kvz5]

I really thought we're getting something this morning.

 

[バット人]

Then it's time to change some perceptions.

Sure. It's a different interpretation and at the end of the day, to get the established character we all know and love, you have to bend and tweak the character.

I just don't want to see people prancing around claiming that this is the superior interpretation if Nolan retires Batman, or kills Bruce. That cynical, self-destructive, Batman, the one that the majority of people seem to prefer (the cliched, "goddamn Batman") has yet to be richly and thoroughly explored on film. The Keaton/Burton Batman depicts this type but it isn't as, in-depth as say this current interpretation of the character, who is in some ways, a relatable, everyman who's emphasis is on the well-being of the city, not his own, personal traumas. For me, Batman's crusade against Gotham is the character's own outlet of his demons, not the cure or benefit for Gotham itself. He's a dark hero, while he shouldn't be completely selfish, I think it's rather silly to have him have this infatuation with the city and this grandeur view of legacies. He should be fighting for his parents first (a hurt that should never go away), and the well being of a city last. That's the nature of the character, unless you want to liberalize or cure him.

Sure "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD" can seem a bit simplified, but there's so much to it than that. He's always going to look for some wrong or something to fight.

 

[Nevincer]

I really thought we're getting something this morning.

Don't worry, there'll be something... soon.

 

[The_Raganork]

Sure. It's a different interpretation and at the end of the day, to get the established character we all know and love, you have to bend and tweak the character.

I just don't want to see people prancing around claiming that this is the superior interpretation if Nolan retires Batman, or kills Bruce. That cynical, self-destructive, Batman, the one that the majority of people seem to prefer (the cliched, "goddamn Batman") has yet to be richly and thoroughly explored on film. The Keaton/Burton Batman depicts this type but it isn't as, in-depth as say this current interpretation of the character, who is in some ways, a relatable, everyman who's emphasis is on the well-being of the city, not his own, personal traumas. For me, Batman's crusade against Gotham is the character's own outlet of his demons, not the cure or benefit for Gotham itself. He's a dark hero, while he shouldn't be completely selfish, I think it's rather silly to have him have this infatuation with the city and this grandeur view of legacies. He should be fighting for his parents first (a hurt that should never go away), and the well being of a city last. That's the nature of the character, unless you want to liberalize or cure him.

Sure "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD" can seem a bit simplified, but there's so much to it than that. He's always going to look for some wrong or something to fight.

All very fine.

But from the majority of post like this it seems people aren't considering Bane as a factor in TDKR. Just another villain Batman will beat it seems like.

No one is thinking about how much damage can be done in Gotham and what that'll mean for something like Batman. which is good because people are going to be forced to look at this character in another way, regardless of what happens in the end

 

[Kane52630]

What do you guys think of this?


The Dark Knight Rises: Video Game Tie-In To Be Released?

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/batt...night-rises-games-appear-in-retail-sch/092536

A 2012 release schedule from a major UK High Street retailer obtained by MCV has mentioned two new titles for the first time.

Firstly, it suggests that Warner Bros’ upcoming summer movie hit The Dark Knight Rises will be accompanied by a video game tie-in.

Furthermore, owing to the nature of the in formation MCV obtained, it suggests a physical release rather than a smaller-scale digital title.