The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 48

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[SpideyFan866]

This thread sucks!

New one please!

 

[SpideyFan866]

yay thread manager!

 

[Nevincer]

Boo.

 

[The_Raganork]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

@Jedm1991

Out of curiosity, was there any cast members of TDKR who you didn't know who they was until they was cast in this film? i for one didn't know who who Mathew Modine or Tom Conti was

I hardly new anybody. Even in TDK - I didn't even know who Heath Ledger was until his death.

 

[Nevincer]

@Jedm1991



I hardly new anybody. Even in TDK - I didn't even know who Heath Ledger was until his death.

 

[gugumugats]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

Wow, that's a good point. Also lets this story come back full circle to BB.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I hear ya. Funnily enough, some of the names I do learn about are through another medium e.g. I learnt of Hans Zimmer when my friend mistakenly got him mixed up with Harry Gregson Williams who did the fantastic scores for the Metal Gear Solid series.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I hear ya. Funnily enough, some of the names I do learn about are through another medium e.g. I learnt of Hans Zimmer when my friend mistakenly got him mixed up with Harry Gregson Williams who did the fantastic scores for the Metal Gear Solid series.

I guess you also learned about clunky, bloated exposition that strips the life out of scenes and the solution to every problem ever: nanomachines.

 

[shauner111]

Rogue's mind is trapped in the 60s

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I guess you also learned about clunky, bloated exposition that strips the life out of scenes and the solution to every problem ever: nanomachines.

I hated that in Metal Gear Solid 4 especially. Ugh.

I do like the original MGS, Peace Walker and MGS 3 - they're my best ones. I think they're the ones with the least annoying exposition.

Still love the series, though, but I like Big Boss and Solid Snake the best, especially when they were in their prime.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Rogue's mind is trapped in the 60s

I wasn't even a fetus then - or whatever you call it.

 

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[Tacit Ronin]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

Interesting theory, but I think light tutelage can be substituted for simply sympathy for the cause. A shaky alliance, rather than a teacher/student dynamic.

Speaking of that, what is Bane's cause? It can't be a repeat of Ras, who wanted to destroy the problem instead of dealing with it. If Bane is after the same goal he can demolish Gotham anytime with his Earthquake device, especially with the absence of Batman. So, does he want to deal with the problem? In a way Batman can't? Are his intentions, though warped, noble at its core? But in the trailer he declares he will turn Gotham to ashes. Maybe I am taking that too line too literally.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

Yes. I think thats it.

 

[The_Raganork]

Nice theory, but I think light tutelage can be substituted for simply sympathy for the cause. A shaky alliance, rather than a teacher/student dynamic.

Yes, this is what I meant to imply by light tutelage. I think he will teach her things. Things she may not want to learn though.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yes, this is what I meant to imply by light tutelage. I think he will teach her things. Things she may not want to learn though.

I edited in more stuff in my original reply. I await your thoughts.

 

[floreairfoot]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

If this is the case, Holly Robinson might play a huge part in Selina's life. Possibly choices too.

 

[TinkerTailor]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

Hmmmm. I'd rather Selina entered into an uneasy alliance with Bane having already operated in Gotham. Someone resourceful enough to create her persona without the help of anyone else, even if that help were just light tutelage.

I seem to remember Gill intimated that Catwoman's costume is created contextually throughout the film, and I don't see anything there that I could equate to being guided by a LOS aesthetic.

 

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[filmboy33]

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Maybe this is something to chew on.

But what if Bane is the Ra's of this film and Selina is the Bruce?

Imprisoned for a crime of necessity and driven by the loss of something she loves she finds herself under the light tutelage of a man who wishes to expose the hipocrasy and corruption in Gotham. She's drive by rage and anger and instead of defining that rage she let's it define her and ultimately becomes a pawn of her own anger...but when Bane becomes something more someone willing to create more death and destruction she finds herself without a focus and lost and she begins to see similarities in her and Batman.

There's something that she wants though. She's not selfless she has an end game and that makes her infinitely different than Bruce and possibly more dangerous.

Rag,

I like your line of thought here. The way you pop in here and drop insightful comments makes me wonder if you know more about the actual film than you lead on.

But back to your point- I think what you suggest is entirely possible in this film. Nolan likes exploring the dynamics of student and teacher, or master and apprentice. In Begins, we had Ra's (teacher) undertaking the education and training of Bruce(student). In TDK, we had the Joker(teacher) giving Dent(student) the necessary push for him to run headlong down the wrong path. Throughout the series you have older men (Alfred and Fox) continually trying to educate and advise the young Bruce.

So with that in mind, I could see Bane being the teacher to Selina's student. If what I have read is true, this would make alot of sense.

We have heard that Selina may be a stripper in this film and that Nolan would be modeling her after the Selina found in Batman- Year One. If this is the case, then I think your theory holds as Selina comes from the poor and working class. She lives in the worse neighborhoods in Gotham and as a stripper, working in a lower end club, she probably sees the scum of Gotham on a regular basis. Due to her life experience, she would be ready to embrace an ideology that proposes exposing the hypocracy and corruption in Gotham, while also putting forth a plan to eradicate it.

Add to this the idea that she may be the estranged daughter of Falcone and the pieces start to fall in place. Her father abandoned her and maybe even her mother. Then he went "crazy" and was locked away in Arkham. Perhaps she and her father were starting to reconcile and then the Scarecrow took all of that away. Then maybe her mother died or was killed, leaving Selina alone in the world.

Selina would be Bruce in many ways then. She will be alone in the world. But unlike Bruce, who had and continues to have Alfred to serve as his conscience and guide him, Selina would not. She could then become someone without a moral compass, a person who only seeks to obtain what she wants, no matter the cost. She then is very dangerous as she lacks the moral restraits, the "rules", that Bruce has.

The other thing I wonder is how Miranda/Talia will fit in? Will she be simply the money behind Bane's operations? Or will she be an equal to him?

Nice to see some actually discussion on the board. After slogging through part 47, I am glad to have something of interest to read and comment on.

 

[The_Raganork]

I edited in more stuff in my original reply. I await your thoughts.

It's an interesting question and one I don't have an answer for definite.

As I see it now his crusade is similar to Bruce's original goal: end corruption and sadly Gordon, Harvey and Batman became corrupted when they covered up the issue, this turns them into the very thing they strived against. The cop who said: "I'm no rat. Who in this town could I rat to?" the one who wouldnt play that game is now apart of possibly the highest profile case of corruption in Gotham history.

Bane seems this as bait and wants to shatter illusions and rule a world that is vicitim to its own consequences. I've said before I think these films are about reponsibility and consequence, Ra's sought punishment for it, Joker sought acceptance of it and Bane seems to seek control of it, to take the actions of this city and dole out what happens to as a consequence.

"take control" of your actions, repent accept punishment and be born anew into a world where everything you do is watched by the all seeing king who governs you.

The illusion of free will. And Batman wishes people to be better by choice whilst bane seeks then to be better by force and by his command.

And to do that he'll break gotham's spirit by showing then their choice to do good stemming from Dent's death was a farce and they can take Gotham back for themselves and live in destruction but EQUALLY and those not willing to enter into a contract of fairness are banished.

Maybe

 

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