The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 6

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[Blue Sugar]

This movie looks like it will be a bleaker world than ever. I just hope Nolan and co. doesn't lose that sense of fun and the perfectly balanced comic-relief.

Because that's one of the things I think these films do so great where other comic-book movies fail. Either the comic-relief is too silly, unintentional andcringe-inducing or the movies are just not fun at all and take themselves too seriously.

I mean I still to this day smile and laugh at some of the lines and scenes in BB and TDK. Just some examples:

Alfred Pennyworth: I suppose they'll lock me up as well. As your accomplice...
Bruce Wayne: Accomplice? I'm going to tell them the whole thing was your idea.

....................

Maitre D: Sir, the pool is for decoration, and your friends do not have swimwear.
Bruce Wayne: Well, they're European.
Maitre D: I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
[Bruce starts to write a check]
Maitre D: It is not a question of money.
Bruce Wayne: [gives him the check] Well, you see, I'm buying this hotel, and uh, setting some new rules about the pool area.

........................

Jim Gordon: [trying to escape slums] I'll get my car.
Batman: I brought mine.
Jim Gordon: Yours?
[Batmobile blasts out and races by]
Jim Gordon: I've got to get me one of those.

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Alfred: The Lamborghini then, much more subtle...
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Not to mention all those fun Q/Bond-esque moments between Lucius and Wayne. I hope stuff like this doesn't get lost in too much bleakness. I want some nice playboy persona Wayne, sarcastic one-liner Alfred and so on.

 

[TheBatman072]

We might not get as much playboy Wayne as we did in Begins and TDK, since this is going to show him kinda following in his father's footsteps. And his father wasn't a drunken imbecile(the persona Wayne puts on for the public).

He'll probably be a bit clumsy, probably a bit absentminded and such. But he won't be what he was in Begins and TDK.

 

[DKDetective]

TheBatman072, in response to your reply in the last thread, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't complaining that Bane is some mindless hulking brute. I'm well aware that Schumacher's portrayal of the character is an abomination. His characterization in the comics is much more nuanced. Rather, I was expressing my disagreement with the numerous posts in this thread discussing the thematic significance of the physical threat that Bane represents. I think that a thematic focus on a villain simply pushing Batman to his physical limits would be a major letdown after the last two films. Nolan's Batman movies tend to be about conflicts of ideas.

 

[Doctor Who]

We might not get as much playboy Wayne as we did in Begins and TDK, since this is going to show him kinda following in his father's footsteps. And his father wasn't a drunken imbecile(the persona Wayne puts on for the public).

He'll probably be a bit clumsy, probably a bit absentminded and such. But he won't be what he was in Begins and TDK.

I'm half and half on that one.

With Miranda Tate, it's said she is going to help Bruce Wayne with his philanthropy; so that's easily the Thomas and Martha Wayne Foundation kicking in. At the same time, with the football thing going on...... I wonder if he'll be inviting his lovely European girls to go out and buy footballs teams and stadiums everywhere. t:

 

[Tacit Ronin]

TheBatman072, in response to your reply in the last thread, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't complaining that Bane is some mindless hulking brute. I'm well aware that Schumacher's portrayal of the character is an abomination. His characterization in the comics is much more nuanced. Rather, I was expressing my disagreement with the numerous posts in this thread discussing the thematic significance of the physical threat that Bane represents. I think that a thematic focus on a villain simply pushing Batman to his physical limits would be a major letdown after the last two films. Nolan's Batman movies tend to be about conflicts of ideas.

No it won't. Nolan's Batman has yet to face a villain who can best him physically. It will be treading new ground.

 

[DKDetective]

No it won't. Nolan's Batman has yet to face a villain who can best him physically. It will be treading new ground.

Just because it is new ground doesn't make it better or escalate the conflict. Physical conflict is a letdown when you have plotlines in the past that have dealt with the nature of fear, order vs. chaos, the basic human nature of human beings. Whether we are all savage animals at our core and pushed to our limits? I'm sorry but an unparalleled physical threat is boring unless it is used to explore something deeper, some ideological or thematic conflict.

Btw, NUFFSAID, respect for using the original concept sketch of Bond as your avatar. I love that drawing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Catwoman will bring the ideological and moral conflict. As well as him being MIA for whatever reason. Bane will bring sheer physical brutality.

 

[DKDetective]

Catwoman will bring the ideological and moral conflict. As well as him being MIA for whatever reason. Bane will bring sheer physical brutality.

I don't know about that. We don't even know if Catwoman is an adversary. Bane is being promoted as the primary villain. The primary villain always has some importance significance to him. There needs to more to Bane. And if his importance is simply his physical brutality that would arguably be misuse of the character. It would be Schumacher all over again. If on the other hand's physical superiority over Bruce and ability to beat him was used as the basis for an examination of Bruce Wayne's limits as a human being and the status of the Batman as a legend. Can he really become more than just a man? Can he truly become a legend when there is always the chance that someone could beat him up. That's a poor example from my rather weak imagination, but you get the drift.

 

[slimshady247]

I don't know about that. We don't even know if Catwoman is an adversary. Bane is being promoted as the primary villain. The primary villain always has some importance significance to him. There needs to more to Bane. And if his importance is simply his physical brutality that would arguably be misuse of the character. It would be Schumacher all over again. If on the other hand's physical superiority over Bruce and ability to beat him was used as the basis for an examination of Bruce Wayne's limits as a human being and the status of the Batman as a legend. Can he really become more than just a man? Can he truly become a legend when there is always the chance that someone could beat him up. That's a poor example from my rather weak imagination, but you get the drift.

Well, considering the title is The Dark Knight Rises, I'm pretty sure that he'll become the symbol he's been looking to be, or legend.

 

[batman1115]

What are everyone's thoughts if Nolan happens to kill the Batman? Is that risk a smart one as a filmmaker? If his reasons are just in the story, would we all accept it? I mean what other reason would the title cards in the trailer be yelling "end. final. conclusion.". If he killed the batman it certainly would mean that Nolan's name would be secure with the Batman name for a long time and no other director would want to touch it for a long time either. Thoughts?

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

Well, considering the title is The Dark Knight Rises, I'm pretty sure that he'll become the symbol he's been looking to be, or legend.

I agree. I think Ducard's/ Ra's words "If you make yourself more than just a man, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely...Legend" will be realised in this film.

 

[StarLord]

Is it just me or are we discussing the same things over and over?

We NEED more information or official pictures.

Mr. Nolan, please give us a Catwoman picture, even just a thumbnail... of her lip or something? I beg you.

 

[DKDetective]

What are everyone's thoughts if Nolan happens to kill the Batman? Is that risk a smart one as a filmmaker? If his reasons are just in the story, would we all accept it? I mean what other reason would the title cards in the trailer be yelling "end. final. conclusion.". If he killed the batman it certainly would mean that Nolan's name would be secure with the Batman name for a long time and no other director would want to touch it for a long time either. Thoughts?

I don't think he will. I can't remember specific instances right now but I believe Nolan has said(although not very recently) that he wants to tell the story of the early part of the character's career. That is how he has deflected speculation about Robin. "He comes later" Wanting to tell the story of a character's beginning necessitates that his career must continue on afterwards.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't know about that. We don't even know if Catwoman is an adversary. Bane is being promoted as the primary villain.

We don't know that. They may be about to promote the heck out of Catwoman. We've got a year of promotion to go.

Furthermore, we don't know if Catwoman is an adversary? I can bet anything she'll be for at least part of the time. It is more likely that she will be an adversary than it is that she wouldn't be... the general populace will EXPECT it.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Is it just me or are we discussing the same things over and over?

We NEED more information or official pictures.

We at least need the official trailer online in HD!

 

[Avengers-Report]

In Inception Nolan kept talking about Colbs journey coming to an end...and I never took that as him dying. The same should be said for Batman.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Any news?

 

[JackWhite]

We at least need the official trailer online in HD!

Exactly!

As long as I get my hands on that, I will be fine until probably end of August.

 

[DKDetective]

We don't know that. They may be about to promote the heck out of Catwoman. We've got a year of promotion to go.

Furthermore, we don't know if Catwoman is an adversary? I can bet anything she'll be for at least part of the time. It is more likely that she will be an adversary than it is that she wouldn't be... the general populace will EXPECT it.

Well, Bane as the primary adversary is how I would characterize the last six months of news/promotion. Especially the teaser. Gordon in a bed begging Batman to come back, citing the rise of "this evil" with menacing glimpses of Bane throughout, culminating in a quick shot of a punch drunk Batman backing away from Bane. TO ME, that is pretty clear identification of the primary antagonist.

Granted, you could be right and all this could be misdirection.

 

[Mako]

Any news?

None that I know of .

 

[fixxxer1022]

I don't think he will. I can't remember specific instances right now but I believe Nolan has said(although not very recently) that he wants to tell the story of the early part of the character's career. That is how he has deflected speculation about Robin. "He comes later" Wanting to tell the story of a character's beginning necessitates that his career must continue on afterwards.

maybe im wrong here but if nolan is telling batmans "early" career i highly doubt two face or the joker would be killed off soo soon.

 

[batman1115]

I don't think he will. I can't remember specific instances right now but I believe Nolan has said(although not very recently) that he wants to tell the story of the early part of the character's career. That is how he has deflected speculation about Robin. "He comes later" Wanting to tell the story of a character's beginning necessitates that his career must continue on afterwards.

I hope he doesn't. However, should the movie end with him dying or exposing his identity as Batman to Gotham, it wouldn't be the worst thing if the story is told well. I was thinking of Zorro with Tyrone Power (great movie btw), he is discovered and revealed to the world as Zorro at the end, but he gives hope to the town and is considered a hero.

 

[fixxxer1022]

Well, Bane as the primary adversary is how I would characterize the last six months of news/promotion.

i still deep down think another higher up villian is behind bane, it's just being kept hush, hush. it's the same with why they haven't announced who lex luthor is in man of steel. you guys have well over a year for both films to come out to see if im right or wrong.