BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[Snark88]

You know what, I don't believe any of this. Almost everything about that plot summary is based off of rumor, footage, leaks, images, and other stuff we've already seen. Not to mention he's willing to spoil the ENTIRE movie, but cherry picks any questions that are asked. Then he claims the Knightmare sequence is only 3-4 minutes long, which contradicts a lot of what we know about it.

Think about it. What have we seen from the Knightmare sequence?

1. Batman emerges upon the wasteland, with Darkseid teaser.
2. Flash cameo somewhere.
3. Action sequence with Batman, Superman Soldiers, and Parademons.
4. Batman getting captured and being confronted by Superman.
5. At some point Batman is holding his hands up and then screams.

And all of this in 3-4 minutes?

The claim that Batman kills fills me with doubt too. The filmmakers are well aware of the huge backlash they got for the neck snap. Why would they kick the hornets nest again, by having Batman kill a guy? In such a horrible and violent way no less?

Then there's this guy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/4b2ui4/just_saw_the_movie_any_questions/?sort=new

Is the OP the same as PaleMonster? Maybe or maybe not, but the OP on Reddit is probably full of crap too. His answers line up with the plot summary posted on here. When he was linked to this thread asking if the plot summary is accurate, he dodged the question. He claims we first see Diana arriving on an airplane in Metropolis. Yea, remember that one shot of Diana inside the plane on the Turkish Airlines trailer?

(note how she's closing up her luggage over the bulkhead)

Now take a look at this:

https://youtu.be/qtRk70vuTUs?t=22s

She's clearly leaving the plane here, with the attendant in the background looking at her, probably wondering why she's leaving. But look at the way she's walking. Look at her face. It kinda looks like she's leaving because she's either heard/sensed that something really bad is happening (Doomsday) and is off to go help. Also bear in mind that one shot of the outside of the airplane happens at night, which is when the Trinity fight takes place.

So yea, I'm pretty suspicious with all of this. The guy has no proof that he saw the film. He managed to write a well thought out summary, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth. And anyone who wants to say BoZ "confirmed" that this is the truth, BoZ is a credible source, but when it comes to giving out spoilers, he normally doesn't do it, and tends to tell fibs sometimes out of spite for people constantly pestering him with questions.

I would take all of this with a grain of salt.

 

[brandeezy89]

Anyone could study all the pics/vids/info we've received and come up with this story.

 

[Rapunzel]

The truth is people who want this to be fake are the ones who just don't like what they are reading. In 2 days, maybe less we will know the truth and everyone will be coming back here saying this was legit.

Um....no. I am totally okay with these spoilers. I just don't take things at face value just cause they sound good.

It's probably true, but possibly not. People have a right to be skeptical.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Yeah, good writers make up details. I remember plenty of convincing spoilers for many other films. I don't judge truthfulness based on specifics. Anyone can create those.

Also, Costner being in the film seems shady.

He is in he film. IMDB even lists him as an actor.

 

[Gavan]

Didn't the guys who leaked the photos say the "Superman death" wasn't really a spoiler and he doesn't really die? To me that means there's not even a fake-out death and it's in the dream sequence or something.

 

[Snark88]

He is in he film. IMDB even lists him as an actor.

You don't think he may have looked that up before writing his summary?

 

[ManofSteel37013]

You don't think he may have looked that up before writing his summary?

Dude someone from the press junket I follow on Twitter just read this and said its legit. Not to mention BoxofficeZ confirmed it earlier. Come back here in 2 days and one is can apologize

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Guys seriously, nobody else finds it strange that there's no blood on Superman's wound in that leaked pic? There'd be blood if he got impaled.

Unless that's one of the scenes of violence they mentioned making less intense for the PG-13 rating.

I'm still wondering where the shot of Batman on the roof with the scope/grappling hook in the film is, if this is true.

 

[Snark88]

Dude someone from the press junket I follow on Twitter just read this and said its legit. Not to mention BoxofficeZ confirmed it earlier. Come back here in 2 days and one is can apologize

Link?

 

[Gavan]

He is in he film. IMDB even lists him as an actor.

IMDB is almost entirely user-submitted and the mods are terrible. It means nothing.

Plus... if they're going with the Super-coma route, why would he go into a coma after being stabbed? In the comics he got hit on the head really hard.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Link?

It's DM. He ain't gonna tell it to everyone on Twitter

 

[BaneandDawn]

The claim that Batman kills fills me with doubt too.

If that happens, It won't get any backlash. There is big difference between Superman and Batman from (both critics and general audiences perspective) . Did Ironman got any backlash after he killed plenty of people in the first movie?

 

[Snark88]

It's DM. He ain't gonna tell it to everyone on Twitter

Can you take a screencap of the DM? You can black out his name.

 

[Rapunzel]

Dude someone from the press junket I follow on Twitter just read this and said its legit. Not to mention BoxofficeZ confirmed it earlier. Come back here in 2 days and one is can apologize

Apologize? Why? Nobody should apologize for bring skeptical....I won't. I have NOT said he's a liar, but I deserve the right to distrust all the he said she said.

Edit: This originally didn't have the not.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Batman straight up blew up a goddamned truck in TDKR.

If anything I feel like the strangeness of Batman suddenly killing means it could be legitimate. I hope that part's not.

There are things I like about this script and things I don't like as much, who knows, we'll probably know for sure later tonight after the Mexico City showing.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

IMDB is almost entirely user-submitted and the mods are terrible. It means nothing.

Plus... if they're going with the Super-coma route, why would he go into a coma after being stabbed? In the comics he got hit on the head really hard.

His return will be explained in JL. But he isn't in a coma. He got stabbed in the chest.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Apologize? Why? Nobody should apologize for bring skeptical....I won't. I have said he's a liar, but I deserve the right to distrust all the he said she said.

I was not even talking to you

 

[Rapunzel]

I was not even talking to you

Ok....cool then. I'm being skeptical, so I thought you were.

 

[Snark88]

Batman straight up blew up a goddamned truck in TDKR.

If anything I feel like the strangeness of Batman suddenly killing means it could be legitimate. I hope that part's not.

There are things I like about this script and things I don't like as much, who knows, we'll probably know for sure later tonight after the Mexico City showing.

Batman has killed a lot. But I feel like if Batman kills in this movie, people will be harsh on it because:

A. Bias
B. It's coming off of the movie with the famous neck snap

So I think people will be paying more attention to that sort of thing, whereas they lets kills in the Nolan trilogy slide.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

No bickering guys. Now just give me a shot of Bats on a gargoyle.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Can you take a screencap of the DM? You can black out his name.

https://m.imgur.com/Eom8Iga

 

[Snark88]

https://m.imgur.com/Eom8Iga

I'm still skeptical, but I'm not leaning as much on the side of this being fake as I did earlier. I really don't know what to think. There are some things that seem off. We'll see pretty soon I guess.

Thank you for taking the time to post that btw.

 

[Gavan]

His return will be explained in JL. But he isn't in a coma. He got stabbed in the chest.

Unless he has active super healing like Wolverine, he can't come back from that without going into a super healing coma.

 

[rescrunch]

Not necessarily, if Red Hood is in the origin, then we're talking about a Batman who has a certain set of moral codes kept intact. The assumption then is that prior to BvS (and the point in which Bruce experienced a particular trauma that forced him into retirement), Batman was a much more idealistic and focused on putting bad guys down the clean way.

However, it all depends on how the creative team decide to write and portray Red Hood. Is he going to be the mirror image of Batman but with a hyperbrutal set of codes to bring the point about how Gotham should be saved? Or is he only going to engage in combat with Batman because he's angry that Batman "left him to die" and didn't go after the Joker?

Assuming Pale's summary is wholly true, we can make an assumption that this Batman here is someone who's been strayed from his own forged path, for he might as well have a no-kill rule at first, but it's been nulled over time due to experiences and some PTSD/mental issues, yes?

Batman is the hero where killing might have come easily for him, so for him to exert control over himself and justify his mostly illegal vigilante activities, a rigid set of codes is needed. A Batman who strayed from his own expectation of himself is a challenging one to write.

As you said, it's an interesting idea to explore in this particular movie. His idealism and morals evolved into a Machiavellian pattern of thinking, based on his field of experience, and it's something that is very human - juxtaposed with the fact that this human is battling a God-like alien. But it is something I feel that is exclusive to this story only, and has a possibility to be detrimental to future story lines/directions.

Red Hood is just an example. My point being, I have no gripes with Batman doing killings - or branding select types of criminals - and I value any interpretations of the character that feels he needs to, but in this universe I personally think it is unnecessary. I just don't want Batman to be painted as a sort-of Punisher figure when there's many other characters who could function in that kind of role, to put across certain points as intended by the writer/director.

Especially, in the movie universe where the company has all the rights and able to explore and develop characters other than proven money makers.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

I'm still skeptical, but I'm not leaning as much on the side of this being fake as I did earlier. I really don't know what to think. There are some things that seem off. We'll see pretty soon I guess.

Thank you for taking the time to post that btw.

No problem at all