BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

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Here's a new topic: do we think there might be more to the ending in the ultimate edition? Like Supes actually returning? That would totally sell it!

Plus, if Ma giving Lois an engagement ring is true, could there be a wedding in JL? That would be awesome.
 
So where does Batman and Superman's fight take place? How does Lois get there so quickly?


Also, I'm still on the fence for this one despite liking how it sounds -

But we've seen other movies start to tone down their death after Man of Steel. Age of Ultron went to great lengths to explain a lack of casualties, and Civil War seemingly has very little being shown.

I don't think the destruction was a mistake Snyder intended to fix, as it was his plan all along to have that set up the reasons in later movies for why Lex and others distrust Clark, as well as the neck-snap.

But one of the biggest criticisms of MoS was Pa Kent's death scene, and that he died at all, and that he wasn't enough of a guiding factor for Clark.

That dream thing with Pa does sound like Snyder may be trying to rectify what he felt could've been a mistake. Guess we'll know for sure tonight.
 
Too much has been going on with this movie and many people said very contradicting things so I'm gonna take everything with a massive grain of salt.

I just hope that if this is all true, the elements would work as intended for the audience, and we wouldn't be ending with another divisive film in our hands, because taken at face value like this, the plot has quite some things that could make it be.
 
He said some parts were legit and he didn't confirm the ending was... thank you anyway.

Thanks because he didn't read the whole spoiler synopsis. He warns him NOT to read anymore to not ruin the BvS experience. What else is there to say?
 
How come KG Beast in DC with Lois isn't mentioned. He's wearing a black suit in the Subway Lois is in or KG being at the warehouse. Hmmmm....
 
Assuming Pale's summary is wholly true, we can make an assumption that this Batman here is someone who's been strayed from his own forged path, for he might as well have a no-kill rule at first, but it's been nulled over time due to experiences and some PTSD/mental issues, yes?

Batman is the hero where killing might have come easily for him, so for him to exert control over himself and justify his mostly illegal vigilante activities, a rigid set of codes is needed. A Batman who strayed from his own expectation of himself is a challenging one to write.

As you said, it's an interesting idea to explore in this particular movie. His idealism and morals evolved into a Machiavellian pattern of thinking, based on his field of experience, and it's something that is very human - juxtaposed with the fact that this human is battling a God-like alien. But it is something I feel that is exclusive to this story only, and has a possibility to be detrimental to future story lines/directions.

Red Hood is just an example. My point being, I have no gripes with Batman doing killings - or branding select types of criminals - and I value any interpretations of the character that feels he needs to, but in this universe I personally think it is unnecessary. I just don't want Batman to be painted as a sort-of Punisher figure when there's many other characters who could function in that kind of role, to put across certain points as intended by the writer/director.

Especially, in the movie universe where the company has all the rights and able to explore and develop characters other than proven money makers.

But why are you assuming Batman will stay that way for the rest of the DCEU? Obviously we only have this leaked plot to base our conjectures (if true). If anything, the way the ending of BvS is described leads me to believe Batman may have a change of heart, maybe re-evaluating his ways...after all, he does not give Lex the Bat-Brand; I know Lex is no rapits or pedo or whatever, but after the events of the film Bruce obviously knows the kind of danger Lex represents on a big scale.
 
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He said some parts were legit and he didn't confirm the ending was... thank you anyway.

Whatever man, you are in denial. I talked to him not you. I know what he has said. He won't just out right tell me the ending because he said I need to see it myself
 
Here's a new topic: do we think there might be more to the ending in the ultimate edition? Like Supes actually returning? That would totally sell it!

Plus, if Ma giving Lois an engagement ring is true, could there be a wedding in JL? That would be awesome.

I'm more interested in how they would explain Supes returning, with Clark officially dead as well.

Yes to a wedding, I want JL members to do embarrassing wedding things. Clois is the gift that keeps on giving :mnm:
 
I'm more interested in how they would explain Supes returning, with Clark officially dead as well.

Yes to a wedding, I want JL members to do embarrassing wedding things. Clois is the gift that keeps on giving :mnm:
Clark assumed dead in the wreckage of Doomsday's destruction.
 
Here's another curious thing: Lois is getting permission to fly to DC in that clip we saw...and in Pale's spoilers. We also know she's at the Senate hearing. If she's in DC for different reasons, what is she doing there?

Not necessarily a hole in Pale's synopsis, cause he may have just not mentioned it, but I'm curious.
 
I've seen at least 3 people including the person who posted this plot leak say their favorite line is "You're not brave, men are brave" or whatever. Just kind of sketchy that none of them can think of another quote. Also the plot leak is honestly based off everybit of footage and rumor we've seen going all the way back to the Flash bank robbery and El Maybe talking about the Kryptonite spear. It also doesn't make sense how when Lois is in water in the trailer she is being shot at but in the leaked plot if I remember correctly she is only with Batman, WW, Supes, and Doomsday trying to retrieve the spear. The person who wrote the leak CLEARLY has watched all footage and interviews because they even say things like "oh this is what Ben was saying when he said there was a scene like Se7en in there". Or putting in details like "lex seat is empty" which we just saw a day ago in a picture. There are also claims that Lois is in Africa almost from the start but in the clip we see her asking Perry to go to Africa which seems like it would be a bit later in the movie though that could be argued. I'm also pretty sure Terrio and Snyder confirmed in an interview that Batman wouldn't kill. In an interview I saw with Kevin from Fox and Snyder they talked about (SPOILER) an awesome fight scene that was all one shot in the Knightmare sequence. No mention of that and the leaker said it was only about 3-4 minutes long. I HIGHLY doubt that is the case. Why would Batman have the Knightmare because he decrypted Lex's thing? He also claims Bruce wakes up to the Flash from the future warning him about saving Martha, and then he says he wakes up again lol. No mention of Diana coming to Metropolis/Gotham via Turkish airlines which is weird because something must happen that makes her want to come. And finally, what was the point of blowing up the courthouse? It didn't do anything.

It's a lot and you can make fun of me for it and maybe I'm just hoping it's not true but there is just fan fiction written all over this and a lot of holes in it. We will all find out soon though.
 
So he just made up the whole Jonathan Kent part and the entire witch being written on Martha when in the pictures of Superman and Lex we can clearly see Lex holding pictures and showing them to him. There is too much in this to be made up on the spot. Plus BoxofficeZ pretty much confirmed this on Boxofficetheory

BOZ is an ADMITTED liar.

ETA And before people start using the excuse that he just gave fake answers because people pestered him...well, what the hell did he think was going to happen? He tells everyone he saw a movie that folks are dying to see, and he's surprised people want details? So he is either an out right liar, or a troll,neither of which speak well for his integrity. His word means less than nothing.
 
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Don't believe everything you hear son. - Bruce

I take all these as rumor until I see the movie or after the embargo is lifted and fan stars putting our spoiler review and discussion.
 
Here's another curious thing: Lois is getting permission to fly to DC in that clip we saw...and in Pale's spoilers. We also know she's at the Senate hearing. If she's in DC for different reasons, what is she doing there?

Not necessarily a hole in Pale's synopsis, cause he may have just not mentioned it, but I'm curious.
Isn't the senate hearing in DC? She would be there for that I am sure.
 
But why are you assuming Batman will stay that way for the rest of the DCEU? Obviously we only have this leaked plot to base our conjectures (if true). If anything, the way the ending of BvS is described leads me to believe Batman may have a change of heart, maybe re-evaluating his ways...after all, he does not give Lex the Bat-Brand; I know Lex is no rapits or pedo or whatever, but after the events of the film Bruce obviously knows the kind of danger Lex represents on a big scale.

Nah, no mate, I didn't exactly assume it like that. I just pointed that the plot raised a way of development they could take with the character I might not agree on, for the reasons I've said. There is no confirmation that the current characterisation (as taken from the leaked plot, if true) will stay on. I'm just voicing my worries on how it could be taken from that point forward.

Cheers :cwink:
 
I seem to recall the BvS promo comic saying Batman doesn't kill criminals.
 
So Clark is only assumed dead? But the funeral will make him legally and officially dead, no? Superman might be returning but regular johns like Clark Kent does not miraculously wake up from the dead....

That means there might be no public records on Clark after and only Supes will continue to exist. Man, his reporter career will only last one movie. If Clark also comes back... This is where the explanation goes interesting.
 
If Supes dies i'm i'l be pissed. I hate fake deaths only to come back in the next movie.
 
So Clark is only assumed dead? But the funeral will make him legally and officially dead, no? Superman might be returning but regular johns like Clark Kent does not miraculously wake up from the dead....

That means there might be no public records on Clark after and only Supes will exist. Man, his reporter career will only last one movie. If Clark also comes back... This is where the explanation goes interesting.

It all makes no sense to me :huh:
 
So Clark is only assumed dead? But the funeral will make him legally and officially dead, no? Superman might be returning but regular johns like Clark Kent does not miraculously wake up from the dead....

That means there might be no public records on Clark after and only Supes will exist. Man, his reporter career will only last one movie. If Clark also comes back... This is where the explanation goes interesting.

Wouldn't the funeral be for Superman and not Clark?
 
I honestly hope this isn't true because it sounds pretty bad. It's filled with plot holes and contrivancies.
 
I get the feeling that this is more or less right and (no offense to Pale) just not told well.

I am reminded of TDKR leaks, when people heard that it ends with Bruce in a cafe. Everyone lost their minds! That was dumb, it didn't make sense.

Of course, the person who leaked it didn't mention the whole bit about that being Alfred's dream come true. Michael Caine made that whole thing work so much better than what we thought.

So I'm sure when we see this, we will get more information that Pale didn't mention. Nuances from performances, subtle things in the writing or visually.
 
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