BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[ManofSteel37013]

Says who, Snyder mentioned multiple dream like scenes for batman and Superman however you're seriously telling me the scene with Johnathan doesn't fit the term. Most of this fits and more importantly has answered questions others haven't you let your family die note, the context of the nightmare, and there are scenes in there that simply no fan had any reason to think even existed, a nature of the bat brand is so controversial that few would think the purpose behind it up. These are actual descriptions we've got not based off the trailers you don't have enough to come up with some of this. I think it's legitimate.

The Jonathan Kent dream sold me. No one has mentioned that and it's pretty detailed for someone to just make up.

 

[matt47]

The Jonathan Kent dream sold me. No one has mentioned that and it's pretty detailed for someone to just make up.

I hope it plays off well. Sounds like it could be a little on the cheddar side..

 

[Snark88]

It's kinda hard to believe Batman would kill in this movie, knowing how much of a backlash MoS received for the neck snap.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

I hope it plays off well. Sounds like it could be a little on the cheddar side..

His moments with Pa Kent in MOS were some of the best scenes to me

 

[matt47]

Maybe he does it on accident. It's not like Batman never killed. Batman 89, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, The list goes on and on

I dunno man...this happens right after his fight with Supes, he realizes he has just spent years of his life planning to kill this guy who is not his enemy, he just remembered his parents being killed and that this could happen to someone else. This is him at his darkest I think. Probs why he is so damn brutal in that warehouse scene from the trailer.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

I dunno man...this happens right after his fight with Supes, he realizes he has just spent years of his life planning to kill this guy who is not his enemy, he just remembered his parents being killed and that this could happen to someone else. This is him at his darkest I think. Probs why he is so damn brutal in that warehouse scene from the trailer.

True but fans shouldn't be shocked if he does. It's not like he has not before. No one cared about him killing Joker in 89 or letting Ras die

 

[matt47]

His moments with Pa Kent in MOS were some of the best scenes to me

Oh hell yes. I just mean that this whole "dead parent figure comes back in a vision to give you the right path" is a little cliche at this point.

 

[PaleMonster]

PaleMonster, simple question. What would you rate the movie out of 10, and say, how does it compare to other comic book movies?

Well, I think the easiest comparison to make is against Man of Steel, which I am not particularly fond of: I think it's an incredibly strong film weighed down by its third act. So I enjoyed BVS immensely, and consider it an improvement on MOS, while simultaneously advancing it's story and it's characterization of superman. I think there are certainly weak points. I am bothered by Bruce firing at anyone, whether they survived or not.

I think Lex is a mixed bag, Jessie plays him very unstable, almost like a person with a savant syndrome or at least a severe social disorder; it's fascinating, to be sure, but not necessarily the Lex I grew up with. I don't appreciate Lex willingly sacrificing Mercy, as he comes across completely unhinged, I dunno, I just consider Lex to be very calculated and careful. But it's excusable.

The core conflict between Batman and Superman never seems real, to me. It's certainly pushed by lex, and they both believe in the conflict, but as a viewer who knows they will make peace, I'll admit that it was hard to invest in. That said, the final moments of the fight, as Bruce's foot is in Clark's face and he's holding the spear above him ready to kill THAT was one of the most intesne moments I've experienced in a comic book film. And the weight of superman's sacrifice was honestly heart-wrenching. The open casket funeral at the Kent farm, and Martha's talk with Lois absolutely destroyed me.

It's hard to evaluate my feelings, the next day, but if The Dark Knight and Batman Begins are both 10/10, then this is a solid 8, maybe 9 for me. I really did love it.

 

[matt47]

True but fans shouldn't be shocked if he does. It's not like he has not before. No one cared about him killing Joker in 89 or letting Ras die

Uh oh...don't bring that up here

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Oh hell yes. I just mean that this whole "dead parent figure comes back in a vision to give you the right path" is a little cliche at this point.

Well I hope it's all done right. If this is 100% like I truly believe it is then this movie seems amazing. I never wanted him to die but the way it ends calms me of that

 

[Snark88]

Well, I think the easiest comparison to make is against Man of Steel, which I am not particularly fond of: I think it's an incredibly strong film weighed down by its third act. So I enjoyed BVS immensely, and consider it an improvement on MOS, while simultaneously advancing it's story and it's characterization of superman. I think there are certainly weak points. I am bothered by Bruce firing at anyone, whether they survived or not.

I think Lex is a mixed bag, Jessie plays him very unstable, almost like a person with a savant syndrome or at least a severe social disorder; it's fascinating, to be sure, but not necessarily the Lex I grew up with. I don't appreciate Lex willingly sacrificing Mercy, as he comes across completely unhinged, I dunno, I just consider Lex to be very calculated and careful. But it's excusable.

The core conflict between Batman and Superman never seems real, to me. It's certainly pushed by lex, and they both believe in the conflict, but as a viewer who knows they will make peace, I'll admit that it was hard to invest in. That said, the final moments of the fight, as Bruce's foot is in Clark's face and he's holding the spear above him ready to kill THAT was one of the most intesne moments I've experienced in a comic book film. And the weight of superman's sacrifice was honestly heart-wrenching. The open casket funeral at the Kent farm, and Martha's talk with Lois absolutely destroyed me.

It's hard to evaluate my feelings, the next day, but if The Dark Knight and Batman Begins are both 10/10, then this is a solid 8, maybe 9 for me. I really did love it.

Why is the Third Act bad? That's where all the big fights happen.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Well, I think the easiest comparison to make is against Man of Steel, which I am not particularly fond of: I think it's an incredibly strong film weighed down by its third act. So I enjoyed BVS immensely, and consider it an improvement on MOS, while simultaneously advancing it's story and it's characterization of superman. I think there are certainly weak points. I am bothered by Bruce firing at anyone, whether they survived or not.

I think Lex is a mixed bag, Jessie plays him very unstable, almost like a person with a savant syndrome or at least a severe social disorder; it's fascinating, to be sure, but not necessarily the Lex I grew up with. I don't appreciate Lex willingly sacrificing Mercy, as he comes across completely unhinged, I dunno, I just consider Lex to be very calculated and careful. But it's excusable.

The core conflict between Batman and Superman never seems real, to me. It's certainly pushed by lex, and they both believe in the conflict, but as a viewer who knows they will make peace, I'll admit that it was hard to invest in. That said, the final moments of the fight, as Bruce's foot is in Clark's face and he's holding the spear above him ready to kill THAT was one of the most intesne moments I've experienced in a comic book film. And the weight of superman's sacrifice was honestly heart-wrenching. The open casket funeral at the Kent farm, and Martha's talk with Lois absolutely destroyed me.

It's hard to evaluate my feelings, the next day, but if The Dark Knight and Batman Begins are both 10/10, then this is a solid 8, maybe 9 for me. I really did love it.

I just wanna say thank you! Thank you for doing this. 9 is good for me and lines up with other scores I have seen from people who saw it.

 

[matt47]

Well I hope it's all done right. If this is 100% like I truly believe it is then this movie seems amazing. I never wanted him to die but the way it ends calms me of that

It really does sound amazing aye...a part of me is happy I read that leak.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

Uh oh...don't bring that up here

Oh so people here defend that?!

 

[matt47]

Oh so people here defend that?!

Yeah...there has been a lot of arguments on this matter.

 

[Rapunzel]

He mentioned why she is in the water. She is getting the spear for them.

Okay...reread more carefully, and still don't understand: In every shot we've seen of it, Lois is falling backwards into the water. That's falling in, not jumping in to retrieve a spear.

Pale, care to elaborate?

 

[Emiya]

There are a lot of things in that summary that don't make sense, but that could be the script itself. Why would Superman agree to fight Batman instead of going to find Martha? Why would everyone assume that Superman was responsible for what happened in the Senate? Some things sound suspiciously contrived, as something one would expect from Goyer's writing.

 

[PaleMonster]

Okay...reread more carefully, and still don't understand: In every shot we've seen of it, Lois is falling backwards into the water. That's falling in, not jumping in to retrieve a spear.

Pale, care to elaborate?

Rumbling from the doomsday fight, she gets trapped, starts to drown, is rescued. It's barely consequential other than to give Lois something to do.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

There are a lot of things in that summary that don't make sense, but that could be the script itself. Why would Superman agree to fight Batman instead of going to find Martha? Why would everyone assume that Superman was responsible for what happened in the Senate? Some things sound suspiciously contrived, as something one would expect from Goyer's writing.

Everyone is against Superman during the hearing. They are looking to put blame on him for anything that happens around him. Why would superman look for her when he has no clue where to look and if he doesn't do as lex says then he would kill her right then and there

 

[Rapunzel]

Rumbling from the doomsday fight, she gets trapped, starts to drown, is rescued. It's barely consequential other than to give Lois something to do.

So after nearly drowning, she jumps in to rescue the spear? And nearly drowns again? With Clark?

 

[Emiya]

Everyone is against Superman during the hearing. They are looking to put blame on him for anything that happens around him. Why would superman look for her when he has no clue where to look and if he doesn't do as lex says then he would kill her right then and there

One can just wonder why he didn't tell anything about it to Batman

 

[DaJanksta]

There are a lot of things in that summary that don't make sense, but that could be the script itself. Why would Superman agree to fight Batman instead of going to find Martha? Why would everyone assume that Superman was responsible for what happened in the Senate? Some things sound suspiciously contrived, as something one would expect from Goyer's writing.

Because he has no idea where to look lol? haha. Lex has him and he knows it if he has his mom. Also the senate thing is not hard to see at all. People get blamed for **** all the time and it makes no sense.

 

[DaJanksta]

One can just wonder why he didn't tell anything about it to Batman

Maybe because Batman wants to rip his head off.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

One can just wonder why he didn't tell anything about it to Batman

Well Batman at the time was dead set on killing Superman. It would not be much of a vs movie if they talked it out. I think seeing it will make more sense.

 

[Rapunzel]

There are a lot of things in that summary that don't make sense, but that could be the script itself. Why would Superman agree to fight Batman instead of going to find Martha? Why would everyone assume that Superman was responsible for what happened in the Senate? Some things sound suspiciously contrived, as something one would expect from Goyer's writing.

This is an excellent question. Lex blackmailing Supes with one person is too easy for him to vget around. I think Lex is blackmailing him with something larger, like releasing DD.