BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[Emiya]

I have gripes with it. I don't get why would you set up Superman as not liking Batman method of crimefighting if the reason he fights him at end is because Lex forces to

 

[ManofSteel37013]

That and the person who posted the image that leads people to think Superman dies at the end apparently said it wasn't a spoiler at all.

It's not a spoiler because we know at the end that he doesn't stay dead

 

[PaleMonster]

But Pale didn't mention any detecting. He makes it sound like Bats just knows where she is and goes there.

This is my bad. Lex deliberately doesn't know where his men have taken Martha. He has a timer set for one hour. Supes wants to talk to bats, batman wants to throw down. Once the situation with Martha is made clear to Bruce, Alfred traces Lex's men to the warehouse. I don't remember what Alfred says beyond "sorry for listening in" and revealing that he's already positioned the hostage situation. It's literally only one line of dialogue.

Also, once Lois is rescued from drowning Clark dives in, she doesn't want him to because she knows he could be too weakened to surface. He floats to the top, she pulls him back up and throws the spear to the side, he's strong enough to say "I love you" and she utters one of those kinda cliche "don't say goodbye" lines. He takes the spear, flies to Doomsday, pierces his heart, but doomsday is still standing, and impales Clark on his spike. Clark has to pull himself DEEPER into the Doomaday spike to get enough reach to fully stab Doomsday. Pretty sure he's only weak enough to be impaled because of his close proximity to the kryptonite spear.

 

[Rapunzel]

So after nearly drowning, she jumps in to rescue the spear? And nearly drowns again? With Clark?

Pale still hasn't answered this. Edit: now he has. Thanks.

 

[mos6142]

This is my bad. Lex deliberately doesn't know where his men have taken Martha. He has a timer set for one hour. Supes wants to talk to bats, batman wants to throw down. Once the situation with Martha is made clear to Bruce, Alfred traces Lex's men to the warehouse. I don't remember what Alfred says beyond "sorry for listening in" and revealing that he's already positioned the hostage situation. It's literally only one line of dialogue.

Also, once Lois is rescued from drowning Clark dives in, she doesn't want him to because she knows he could be too weakened to surface. He floats to the top, she pulls him back up and throws the spear to the side, he's strong enough to say "I love you" and she utters one of those kinda cliche "don't say goodbye" lines. He takes the spear, flies to Doomsday, pierces his heart, but doomsday is still standing, and impales Clark on his spike. Clark has to pull himself DEEPER into the Doomaday spike to get enough reach to fully stab Doomsday. Pretty sure he's only weak enough to be impaled because of his close proximity to the kryptonite spear.

who else was at your screening, and how was the general vibe from people around you about the movie?

also what was your score out of 10 for MOS

 

[Snakewise]

It's not a spoiler because we know at the end that he doesn't stay dead

Or it could not be a spoiler because its a what if from a nightmare sequence and not Superman actually dying.

 

[DaJanksta]

I have gripes with it. I don't get why would you set up Superman as not liking Batman method of crimefighting if the reason he fights him at end is because Lex forces to

I'm not sure I understand this post but what were you assuming was the cause of their fight? I think we've all known for a while they don't see eye to eye and there is a puppet master lex luthor behind the scenes pulling the strings and getting them to fight.

 

[DaJanksta]

Or it could not be a spoiler because its a what if from a nightmare sequence and not Superman actually dying.

Could be that's for sure. At the same time BoZ is a proven liar.

 

[DaJanksta]

who else was at your screening, and how was the general vibe from people around you about the movie?

also what was your score out of 10 for MOS

He already posted a score.

 

[Rapunzel]

Pale, I still wanna know (you never answered): how obvious is it that Supes isn't really dead? Is there any chance people will leave the movie thinking it's permanent?

 

[mos6142]

Pale, I still wanna know (you never answered): how obvious is it that Supes isn't really dead? Is there any chance people will leave the movie thinking it's permanent?

sound of a heart beat, and a visual of his grave is TOO obvious

 

[Snark88]

Pale I have just one question. When do we first see Diana?

 

[Emiya]

I'm not sure I understand this post but what were you assuming was the cause of their fight? I think we've all known for a while they don't see eye to eye and there is a puppet master lex luthor behind the scenes pulling the strings and getting them to fight.

What I mean is: Why would the script make Superman not liking Batman methods as his primary motivation to fight him, if he doesn't end up fighting him for that reason anyway?

 

[JOE]

I don't the idea of the movie ending with the dirt moving above his grave. That's cheesy...

 

[mos6142]

I don't the idea of the movie ending with the dirt moving above his grave. That's cheesy...

its a CBM

 

[ManofSteel37013]

And for some......the hate begins

 

[Baba3231]

What I mean is: Why would the script make Superman not liking Batman methods as his primary motivation to fight him, if he doesn't end up fighting him for that reason anyway?

That clip where we see Lex telling superman that he will fly to him (batman) and fight him to the death makes it pretty clear that lex has leverage on Clark and is using it to fuel the conflict.

 

[DaJanksta]

its a CBM

Queso is always present

 

[matt47]

its a CBM

I hate that excuse.

Yes it is, but for years now the creators of these cbm have been telling us that they aren't cheesy or stupid or anything like that. We judge them as films now, the same way he judge every other genre.

 

[DaJanksta]

What I mean is: Why would the script make Superman not liking Batman methods as his primary motivation to fight him, if he doesn't end up fighting him for that reason anyway?

Well there can be more than one reason for them to fight. Doesn't have to be exclusive. Also that clip of them on the roof makes it clear Lex has some leverage on him forcing him to fight him or at least confront Batman. At that point I'm sure Lex knows Batman has the kryptonite.

 

[matt47]

I don't the idea of the movie ending with the dirt moving above his grave. That's cheesy...

I dunno why but I don't find it cheesy. Thank god lol

 

[DaJanksta]

How else would you want them to show that he is still alive?

 

[DaJanksta]

I dunno why but I don't find it cheesy. Thank god lol

Yea it's just dirt moving lol.

 

[JOE]

its a CBM

I hate that excuse.

Yes it is, but for years now the creators of these cbm have been telling us that they aren't cheesy or stupid or anything like that. We judge them as films now, the same way he judge every other genre.

Thank you.

It's just very cliche if you ask me. Why not leave him dead at let people truly wonder if he's ever coming back?

 

[Rapunzel]

There are only 2 things I'm not liking so far about Pale's account:

1. I still don't get why Scoot's character would be hating on Bruce. And why do that subplot if the dude's just gonna get blown up?

2. The knightmare seems silly--- all that post apocalyptic future just so flash can tell Bats to save Martha? I'd understand if it was an alternate future where Martha-less Supes has gone rogue, but the way the story plays out, that's not possible. So what's the point, other than cool/visuals and actions? Why does Bruce even need the warning?