BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[Rapunzel]

I'm still not sold on the branding-- not cool if Bats is getting folks shanked to death in prison.

 

[DaJanksta]

Like I said earlier



I think the timing is pretty good though. I don't think it necessarily has to be once superman has been doing his thing for a while. The sacrifice he makes with doomsday if it's true can be what tips the scale. What better way to show everyone than to make that ultimate sacrifice even after all the hate he's receiving. Making most people realize he is a good guy and we don't need to fear or hate him. As a matter of fact he can inspire batman, others, and we might need him now more than ever.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Is it really death of superman if we're told, end of film, he's still alive?

Even if they did it in a few years, no one would buy that he is dead for good.

True and true.

 

[TDKR1977]

I'm still not sold on the branding-- not cool if Bats is getting folks shanked to death in prison.

Rapists and human traffickers? I'm fine with it.

But I'm dubious about the authenticity of all of this.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'm still not sold on the branding-- not cool if Bats is getting folks shanked to death in prison.

This Bats is brutal!

 

[Rapunzel]

Random thought but if Superman's dead for any length of time, and let's say they cover Clark Kent's simultaneous disappearance with something like "he died during the Doomsday attack", what are the odds the Clark Kent persona actually stays dead post BVS and Kal El is just Superman when he returns?

Likely...if they focus on the JL, Kent isn't needed. Nor is he needed for a solo sequel if it's more space centric (braniac, for example)

 

[InJustice]

I'm still not sold on the branding-- not cool if Bats is getting folks shanked to death in prison.

This Batman likely doesn't give a damn about civil liberties after what he's gone through, so he has become indifferent to criminals. I actually don't mind that since it's giving a new kind of Batman that we haven't really seen yet: what happens when a traumatic event governs and terrorizes Bruce? How does he change as Batman?

 

[Limonade]

The way his death is being used seems pretty useful and impactful considering how the world sees him in this film. That's one of the main reasons I'm so okay with this happening this early. Because of how well it would be used.

True, but the impact, however useful, is also short term. It's cheap ploy.

 

[Baba3231]

Likely...if they focus on the JL, Kent isn't needed. Nor is he needed for a solo sequel if it's more space centric (braniac, for example)

Also adds weight to the death. Sure Superman's coming back but really Clark Kent would have stayed dead.

 

[DaJanksta]

True, but the impact, however useful, is also short term. It's cheap ploy.

It's not like he's going to stay dead if they killed him off at a later time.

 

[Rapunzel]

Rapists and human traffickers? I'm fine with it.

But I'm dubious about the authenticity of all of this.

I'm not fine with it. Killing in battle is one thing, but even the worst deserve better treatment than death. Bats should know better.

 

[TDKR1977]

I'm not fine with it. Killing in battle is one thing, but even the worst deserve better treatment than death. Bats should know better.

Disagree, but whatever.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

This Batman likely doesn't give a damn about civil liberties after what he's gone through, so he has become indifferent to criminals. I actually don't mind that since it's giving a new kind of Batman that we haven't really seen yet: what happens when a traumatic event governs and terrorizes Bruce? How does he change as Batman?

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I don't have an issue with the branding.

Let me actually see this scene with Batman setting someone on fire by blowing up their flamethrower, though. I'm iffy on that.

 

[brandeezy89]

If this is true, killing Doomsday with a Kryptonite Spear seems really stupid. This is how you end a Doomsday fight:
https://youtu.be/QzSyyi_Pqyw?t=30s

Not to mention how is Clark even holding the Kryptonite spear? He should be on the ground in pain if he even comes near that stuff.

He probably willed his way to kill him

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'm not fine with it. Killing in battle is one thing, but even the worst deserve better treatment than death. Bats should know better.

Rapists and Pedos don't deserve anything. They are the worst scum of the world. Bats knows whats up!

 

[Limonade]

It's not like he's going to stay dead if they killed him off at a later time.

It just brings more complexities to the table for later movies. And they just started...

 

[DaJanksta]

It just brings more complexities to the table for later movies. And they just started...

It's not that complex lol

 

[Limonade]

It's not that complex lol

Unforseen complexities, I suppose.

Overall, I'm still not buying that they thought this universe through. It feels at odds with most of the public perception of DC superheroes.

Except with WW.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The thing about pales description, is that a ton of the stuff he stated, we've already seen in previews and bts. Now for some that might be enough to convince them that he's legit. but for me since most of these details are coming out after being confirmed somewhere else, makes me think hes carefully put together as much official info as possible and worked in obvious connect the dot theories. I'm not saying he's lying. But I'm skeptical.

 

[DaJanksta]

Unforseen complexities, I suppose.

Overall, I'm still not buying that they thought this universe through. It feels at odds with most of the public perception of DC superheroes.

Except with WW.

Kinda sounds like you're just not into dc's cinematic vision . I couldn't be more excited for it. .

 

[InJustice]

I'm not fine with it. Killing in battle is one thing, but even the worst deserve better treatment than death. Bats should know better.

Except Bruce has seen things that has affected him at a personal and fundamental level. If any one of us were in his position, I really doubt that we'll be able to have the inner strength to continue the no-kill ideology. Eventually, the "filth" gets the better of you. After all, Batman is still human despite his glorious features. Think of something like police officers or military men, they have seen some **** in their lives and some of them react very harshly as a result of the experience, while others may withdraw from society, and some may be caught in limbo, not knowing what to do with their lives after having gone through that traumatic experience. Another point of similarity is how the events of Bruce and Jim lying about Harvey, as well as Rachel's death in TDK resulting in Bruce becoming reclusive. People thought he shouldn't have retired but it made a lot of narrative sense and brought home the point about the man behind the mask being human.

In fact, it's not that easy to say "Batman should know better" and it's treating a grey area as if it should be black/white. For all we know, Snyder's Batman in his origin might have had a no-kill rule that degraded over time. Primarily because he witnessed how much more cruel criminals are, and that his way wasn't going to stop them from doing what they are doing. In the face of cruelty, maybe Batman feels that the only way he can save Gotham is by being cruel(er).

From a writer's POV, it would be an interesting way to communicate how Idealism can transform into Machiavellian ideology.

 

[TDKR1977]

Unforseen complexities, I suppose.

Overall, I'm still not buying that they thought this universe through. It feels at odds with most of the public perception of DC superheroes.

Except with WW.

I see this argument from time to time. This isn't that comics. It's the movies. If you want the comics, they're still here. Thy movies are based on the DC universe. That's it. It's gonna be different.

 

[DaJanksta]

The thing about pales description, is that a ton of the stuff he stated, we've already seen in previews and bts. Now for some that might be enough to convince them that he's legit. but for me since most of these details are coming out after being confirmed somewhere else, makes me think hes carefully put together as much official info as possible and worked in obvious connect the dot theories. I'm not saying he's lying. But I'm skeptical.

I feel like his has included much less of that stuff compared to any other leak we've had so far. It's also included some unique things we haven't heard rumored at all. At the least it's a nice theory if he's lying.

 

[Rapunzel]

I'm also a little disappointed that Bruce's motivation for helping/trusting Supes seems to stem from his trauma, not anything Supes does. Kinda wanted Supes' actions to change Bruce's mind, not Martha's existence.